Forum Post: "we gonna burn NYC to the ground"
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 16, 2011, 11:27 a.m. EST by ludog23
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If you can't prevent people in your movement from saying things like this on camera, you will never achieve anything more than being arrested.
Simply put, this is the act of a single selfish ignorant person. It only takes one person to start a riot, and if you don't think this gives the police probable cause, you are sadly sadly mistaken.
If you want to enact change, you have to control your image.
Maybe we need to ask the question why there are so many crazies and hobos and druggies, etc. in this country. Has our economic system failed in some way? Seems so to me. Also, remember, the mentally ill and the homeless are American citizens, too, and they are part of the 99%. I do agree that OWS needs a few clear representatives/leaders.
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Soooooo, the CIA drives the market that Big Pharma exploits?
Wow, this "movement" really has no foundation at all.
The people who say these things are trying to stop this movement not further it!
This is a nonsense thread put up by a troll. It's cheap and easy to find one or two deranged/hateful voices to quote and it's even cheaper and easier to plant such voices/agent provacateurs. Don't feed the trolls.
Im not a troll. Im a concerned patriotic citizen who actually supports the right of others to protest. I was an activist for many years, I have been arrested and detained by the FBI. I have held lectures about non-violent DA. One thing I am not is a troll.
Second, this is from the news. If you watch the video, you will see a crowd gathered around a man, yelling to burn NYC to the ground. I did not make this video nor did I write the article. I am shocked that a movement that relies so heavily on the internet and social media, would be so cavalier about their own media presence.
So, Nick Lento, I am not a troll. I encourage you to watch the video, and to honestly and sincerely look at the contents and tell me that what this guy said is acceptable and helpful to your cause.
I think of throwing molotov coctails threw a Macy's window everytime I hold a "peacefull" protest. Nothing off here...
Is English a second language for you?
Does it matter. I understood what he said and you understood what I said. My message got through
If you have trouble with spelling , use a dictionary. If you don't know that your spelling is wrong , try a remedial English course. If you use the language as if you don't know it, ( unless Enlgish IS second language for you) you are perceived and being a uneducated.
Check your grammar there first, bud.
I'm not your "bud".
awww. That makes me sad.
You'll get over it.
Don't try to correct people if you don't like being corrected yourself.
I couldn't help but notice the space before two of your commas. If you don't know correct grammar and punctuation, maybe you shouldn't criticize.
Comma spacing, Oh No !!
you can't prevent people from being assholes, hasn't ever really stopped people from recognizing the difference between the crazies that cling on to a movement and the movement itself.
Yes you can.
We did it in the 90's in the Animal Rights Movement. We had radicals and Anarchists and Provocateurs at every protest. We silenced them all, by giving specific people the talking points. We limited the police presence within a month, because the "burn it down" crowd had been marginalized.
So, yes you can prevent people from being assholes. You have to hold the people in your movement accountable. Every person there represents OWS. Especially in this age where everyone has a video camera and internet access.
And ELF didn't at all discredit the movement in the MSM? and the Cascadia Free states didn't also do the same thing?
I am not against you, I agree people need to be responsible, but I also recognize everything is spun by the media.
Also a lot changed after the N30 Battle in Seatle.
Actually, the ALF was the center point of a lot of the problems we had as organizers in the 90's.
I was a local spokesperson for the ALF as well as the main Organizer in my community. I took the brunt of a lot of illegal arrests and detentions by the police, both local and state. While the MSM tried to spin it in a way that made us all look like "terrorists", we were able to marginalize that by being smart. By fanning out along a protest and not engaging in every conversation that was being initiated by the public. We had Media Relations people standing every 10-15 people throughout a protest, whose sole purpose was to prevent things like this.
All it takes is leadership and organization, something that this occupation has lacked from the beginning, IMO.
I think the idea of a Media Relations working group during rallies is a really good idea, and something that should be proposed to a GA. If I lived in a sizable enough town I would do so.
By the way, thank you for your hard work as an organizer. I hope you don't take me as putting you down in any way.
OWS lost the high ground immediately.
Right juncture of history but inability to control your own movement. You are looking losers at best. If you want success, you'll have to police the crowds you create and ostracize those doing the crazy stuff and allowing statements like this on your page. I read your rules...did you read your rules?
Ironically, it appears the crazies occupy 99% of OWS.
ah yes the "batman" quote.
You guys gotta be fucking kidding me.
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"we gonna burn NYC to the ground". Not a good way to garner sympathy.
On the one hand I think it'd be sad to alienate those who supported us by being violent.
On the other hand I WANT TO BURN WALLSTREET TO THE GROUND SO BAD.
Like someone's actually gonna do something. Right.
Fuck Macy's, do something productive, throw that firebomb through the window of Goldman Sachs...............
Go for it, I don't live there maybe you'll off a bunch of libtards who will just sit around and wait for the govt to rescue them when their building catches fire rather than accepting that personal responsibility they hate so much by rescuing themselves......
government should be transparent
the advocated violence of the 1% are not infecting the crowds
Not sure what you are talking about.
Ever hear of a metaphor?
I listened very carefully and the only cheering I heard was about the announcement of allowing OWS protesters being allowed back into the park at a later time.
I did witness a middle aged woman being arrested in this particular clip.
I also saw a tweet that shows a 84 year old woman who had been pepper sprayed, read an article that stated one of the city councilmen had been arrested and he was bruised and bloody.
Some people just take things too literally!
Did you watch the video where the black guy in the middle of the crowd is yelling "thursday we gonna burn this bitch down!"
Thats not a metaphor. Thats dangerous language to be using after the police just raided your occupation and busted it up with little resistance.
I presume nothing, we use a lot of metaphors, the stock market crashed, no wreckage such as a train crash would create, so there fore it's a metaphor.
One 'black guy' says this and announces the date, time and place, KNOWING it's going to be youtubed, assuming it was anything but a metaphor is perhaps taking this man too literally.
It is possible that this man used a poor choice of words but it is also possible you are becoming over excited at metaphors.
Back to the basics. Load all these filthy dirty hippies on a bus and take them out to the woods upstate about 30 or 40 miles away. Take their cellphones and money and let them free. I guarantee that doing this once or twice will send these crybabies home to mommy.
This was my suggestion for the illegal mexicans in Arizona. Arrest a thousand of them, drive them in busses to LA. Put them on a ship and drop them off on some island just off the south part of Mexico.
let me guess some wacko or crackhead that was wandering around before any of the real agenda came out said this
Clearly you did not read the article of watch the video. Its not a crackhead. Its a man in the middle of a crowd yelling about burning NYC to the ground. He talks about throwing Molotovs through the windows at Macy's. People cheer him on.
Bunch of idiot OWS'rs I would bet. I bet the tents wouldnt burn with so much crap on them. Is crap fireproof?
Some men... just want to watch the world burn.
Burn it down,,, one tent at a time!
Just another isolated incident.... nothing to see here. At least that is what the OWS mob will say.
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Violence is not needed and will only kill this movement. Trust me, this movement is working even if people think it is not because of the crackdowns. The fact that the crackdowns happened almost at once is proof of that. The city governments are already broke and strained. They cannot afford to continue to pay cops overtime, jail people, get court orders, and continue to crack down on these protests. They cannot! They know this and that's why they cracked down on all the protests camps almost at once. They feel that by doing so, the will of the people in the protests will break and Occupy Wall Street will just fade and die. They want it to fade and die because they simply can't afford to continue cracking down on it. That's the real reason for the mass crackdowns all at once which the cities are not revealing to the government. The solution is not violence. All Occupy Wall Street has to do is continue to pitch tents in other areas and hold its ground and cause the already broke cities to spend even more money. Millions of middle class folks are sympathising with this movement as it is and will vote next year. Federal, state, and local governments know this and are worried sick, especially the Republican-controlled Congress. That's why they are being so hostile to Occupy Wall Street. All Occupy Wall Street has to do is stand its ground and continue doing what it does best and it will win!
Can't afford it? Are you serious? You think that there is some guy in a room with a calculator calling Bloomberg "hey mike, uhhhh, listen, I think these OWS folks have us by the short ones. We're almost broke because of the OT."
Get a clue. There are layers and layers and layers of money and red tape and paper work that will fund the Police. Not to mention State funds, as well as Federal.
You are not winning this battle. Not this way for sure.
This person should receive the golden award. Notice the next to last sentence, "Republican-controlled Congress"?
This whole movement is really about raising taxes. There are tons and tons of democrats in congress that hold billions of dollars in stock market ownership. Many democrats in congress are millionairs and ,,, we know their congressional salary,, that they made in corporate stocks. This is about raising taxes to feed your failed social programs,,, plain and simple. This movement is a fake designed by the obama administration and ran inside the White House. Tents wont change a damn thing and you all must be smarter than that,,,, I would assume.
I agree that both the Republicans and the Democrats feed from the same trough. I just think the Republicans feed from it a little more. I am actually in favor and a third party that actually represents us instead of big business, banks, and Wall Street. As for taxes. We need to pay our share and suport our nation only if that nation represents us and not those with billions of dollars. Right now what we have is "taxation without representation"! I use to think the tents wouldn't change a thing. But they will if cities have to keep paying huge amounts of money to have them taken down: money they can't afford!
You have the top of the line liberal democrats in congress that HIDE their tax money. Example, Sen John Kerry. Hid is YAUCHT so that he could pay lower taxes on it. Sen McCaskill failed to pay $300,000 in taxes on her private jet. Cong John Rangel owns many condo's and failed to pay taxes on any of them. YET, those same democrats point their liberal fingers at those of us that do pay our taxes and tell us to pay MORE. OWS overlooks liberals.
The problem with the Republicans is that they always want to cut taxes on the rich and then sneakily raise them on the poor. They want zero inheritance tax but they pointedly ignore Ron Pаul's proposal to exempt the tip you voluntarily give to a waitress. They want lower capital gains, lower corporate, lower income tax for the very rich, but in the meanwhile they're dead-set on removing your exemptions on things like employer health care premiums and mortgage interest. They have no problem at all with any new tax if they can call it a "fee", like a fee for visiting a national park. Above all, they want to reduce federal spending and have the states provide the funds, not because it really gives the states any more autonomy, but because they levy income taxes with virtually no standard deduction that weigh heavily on the poor.
And they can borrow and spend infinitely more than any real drunken sailor, based on out and out lies simply because they want to see somebody get blown up for the fun of it.
You have had many opportunitites during a democrat president and democrat congress to fix anything you wanted to. THE PROBLEM,,,,, the RICH democrats dont want to change anything and yet you keep voting for the rich democrats. You keep giving your self a rich democrat enema.
Oh, I know all too well that the Democrats are dysfunctional and have squandered two years of golden opportunity, deliberately scuttling the chance to repeal the Bush tax cuts then trying to blame it on the Republicans later. They're stringing us along like Republicans string along the anti-abortion people. But the Republicans crossed the line from mere incompetence and corruption into something twisted and sick, with their war in Iraq over lies about nuclear material, with their redefinition of torture, with their willingness even to damage the country's economic reputation just to try to have everything all their way when they're in the minority, and so many other things.
If John McCain were president we probably would have accepted Georgia into NATO, and had NATO troops on the ground in South Ossetia "defending" a region inhabited by 90% Russian citizens and claimed by Russia from Russian troops. Or at the very least we'd have another war in Iran. As sucky as the Democrats are, don't underestimate the genuinely fascist malice of their opponents.
And, if you like "rape rooms" in Iraq with 10 year old girls being used by Sadam and his sons and the killing of 300,000 Iraqi people, then I'm glad I dont know you.
See http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2004/05/rape_rooms_a_chronology.single.html
I certainly do not support Saddam's atrocities and murders, and I recognize they occurred. Nonetheless, even so many as he killed, the U.S. may well have killed more. The Iraq Body Count project literally counts 103,536 deaths from violence ( http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ ). The kind of estimate you're using here is made at http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq which claims an estimate of 1,455,590 people dying due to the invasion. Now early during the war I had truly hoped that Bush might have such fancy new weapons and surveillance that he could do "surgical strikes" and take out Saddam's leadership and leave free Iraqis to enjoy their new country. But that hope died the day he fired Jay Garner for promising the Iraqis elections within 90 days. He turned the war in Iraq from the liberation it had promised to be into the occupation it is today.
You wont, but you should Google, "August 17 1998 clinton transcript"
I looked it up - it's just that stupid Lewinsky incident. Clinton gets a little frisky and the Republicans never forget it - but their own leaders can waste trillions of dollars, order atrocities, and make them poorer and poorer, and they don't seem to mind.
I gave you the wrong date, sorry. Google "Dec 16, 1998, Clinton, Iraq, Transcript." First, third and seventh paragraph's
Clinton acted on sketchy evidence - at least it was a much smaller attack, which does make a difference. As I comment above, Bush has imposed a huge death toll on Iraq - and he did so largely after the U.S. had gotten rid of Hussein and had a chance to nose around hunting for the WMDs. It's the difference between a bad excuse and no excuse.
Clinton handed Bush the documents. Bush took office in January and eight months later, 19 terrorists trained in an flying school in Florida while Clinton was president. He had the Clinton documents and 3,000 people killed. If Clinton had not said there were WMD's and had Clinton prevented arabics from learning to fly without a background check,,,, well, who know where we would be right now. I dont like rape rooms.
C'mon..do it guys. You know you want too. Just get it over with. Buildings burning...deaths, rich people screaming. You're going to do it next summer anyway, when Obamna gives the okay sign...may as well start somewhere.
Obama is the reason you are protesting. THis Marxist has caused all the problems in this country. He hates America and proves it every time he opens his mouth. I do not know why he is dead set on destroying this country, but that is his objective. Go to DC and protest if you want to fix this country.
How long do you think Obama would let you protest if he gets another term? Another term for Obama means dictatorship. His 2nd term will be the last time you ever vote. Mark my words, that is his plan.
Exactly! It's all part of his plan.
These OWS idiots are pawns in his game of divide and conquer. Obama has no real solutions to anything, he just stirs up class warfare, the result of which is what we see here.
He is shrewd and yes, he is dead set on destorying the country.