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Forum Post: We Can't Afford Not to Communitize Healthcare

Posted 3 weeks ago on Dec. 27, 2019, 8:59 a.m. EST by agkaiser (2402) from Fredericksburg, TX
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They say (don't pretend you don't know who I mean) the community can't afford health care for everyone. Plans such as single payer that Bernie promotes will bankrupt the communities that try to implement them.

Bullshit! What we can't afford is the obscene profits of the Giga Corporations that have bought up the hospitals, medical practices and pharmaceuticals. (w.r.t. the latter they often produce no drugs but buy up patents, contract production and increase prices by thousands of percent.) The oligopolistic investors do no scientific research and practice no medicine. They parasitize the doctors, researchers, nurses and other employees whose industries they buy ... not build. But that's just like the rest of Wall St's [the FIRE Sector's] insidious threat to the survival of the human race.

So spread the word. Far from not being able to afford community owned and operated non profit health care and pharmaceuticals for all, we can't afford not to reign in the econ-tyrannical banksters and billionaires that threaten our existence with their greed.

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[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 weeks ago

''Medicare for All wouldn’t just provide everyone with the care they need, free of charge. It is also a potent anti-poverty program, reducing poverty by over 20 percent and also increasing poor people’s incomes by 29 percent.'' -from …

et spero meliora ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23032) 3 weeks ago

Joe Biden on cutting Social Security and Medicare. Watch the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSdobLgfkU0

Joe Biden: "...Paul Ryan was correct when he did the tax code what's the first thing he decided we have to go after, Social Security and Medicare. Now we need to do something about Social Security and Medicare. (Whispering) That's the only way you can find room to pay for it."

Joe Biden: "...make sure Social Security and Medicare can stay, still needs adjustments, but can stay..."

What's he really talking about here? Cuts? Does he say this without actually saying it? Listen and decide for yourselves.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 days ago

David Graeber on "Centrism" & UK's Brexit …

As for Biden: he is Corporate U$A's stooge; mired in real shit re. Ukraine & has lost mental acuity.

Anyone who thinks that Biden's the answer to anything is clueless about the right questions to ask!

So - "Check the record; check the record; check the guy's track record. He is nuts!" As sung here…

From which: "Bernie Sanders was right all along, Pete Buttigieg was 20 years old when the Iraq war vote happened, the other three were not in Congress - and Joe Biden stood there with his bare face hanging out vigorously apologizing, while simultaneously trying to argue that his vote for war wasn’t really a vote for war." - and ...

which ends with ... ''Now, upon the precipice of yet another war - whoever is chosen to run against Donald Trump must have real plans to end them all — to truly prioritize that ending, now and in the future. Whoever's chosen must be committed to slashing the $700 billion Pentagon budget. Saying “end the endless wars” on an open debate stage, where such language has now become politically advantageous is one thing, but 18 yrs later, Trump’s challenger must be more than just merely not Trump & must take definitive action against a rampant militarism that's the ruthless order of the day."

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23032) 2 days ago

Bernie's platform IS the future.

It's undeniable that younger people want more socialist policies. They want more fairness and inclusion. They vote in huge numbers for people like Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn yet because older voters vote more often, the conservatives win. This will not sustain because the electorate will change. The young will have their say in the future and that future bodes well for democratic socialism in the USA.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2402) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 days ago

You know what the cons say? "If you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart. If you're still a socialist when you're 30, you have no brain!"

Many new 30 year olds fall for that shit every turn around the sun.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23032) 2 days ago

30 years olds today, though, can't buy homes, are still mired in student loan debt, are not paying into pensions, have no job security. They're not even having children because they feel too pressured. So, I get what you're saying but we'll see. I think young people today, as they age, are in a very different economic and social position than previous generations.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2402) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 days ago

I hope you're right. That's what I want to believe, in my less cynical moments. Sadly, there's no certainty about anything.

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 2 days ago

"young people today, as they age, are in a very different economic and social position than previous generations."

As I have learnt from this documentary's more mature Iranians, "A man must always have the last word." What's that?

That is: "Yes, my dear. You are absolutely [correct]!"

It reminds me of my patriarchal Dad♡♥♡♥. "To have and to hold till death do us apart."

Once the elder sibling has exhausted the parents' financial resources and other wherewithal, a younger sibling must come up with new coping strategies (e.g. to pay for a college education--a college-bound teenager can't "get blood out of a rock" but the elder sibling's struggle can have a lingering effect on the younger sibling's life circumstances and can be learnt from; where did the hippies go? the youth counter-culture lost to the corporations and the repressions such as the Kent State Massacre therefore many surrendered and went to San Francisco, U. of Cali. at Berkeley { had a huge library collection and a "socialist" blue-state <no red states need apply to get rich like this--no investment so no return; mommy states tended to outperform daddy states> California in those days gave almost free college education to its qualified residents,} San José, etc. to study and make quantum physics/technological breakthroughs to build up quantum computing and Silicon Valley 》Arbeit macht frei《--I made myself a dream catcher, too; I caught a somewhat different dream from that of the baby-boomer hippies). I know how it felt as I had come up against the near butt-end of the baby boomers (a humongous cohort so there was little headroom left for me except for exploring the bipedalism-induced-tipsy-turvy Uranus!) but I benefited from their struggles. Instead of hitchhiking a bit at a time to the Left Coast, as so many young people did after the Woodstock years, I went back home and stayed in Yankeedom where it's more hospitable than "the flyover country." A "socialist" government's policies can help and so can a change of government effected by one's own emigration.

Having a woman president may not be as important as one believes because of what had happened to the first African American President's agenda. By nearly all measures, the U.S. was well positioned to advance on a broad front but the Retards stopped it cold for partisan gains. The U.S. had a lost decade by having racism running rampant on the policy-by-executive-order front: what a "Black" did, a White undid.

When I went with my Mom to the monastery or nunnery decorated with the swastikas galore to pray, I didn't grab the groin under the gown to determine whether it was a monk or a nun leading a prayer because it wasn't germane to our purpose of praying there. We believed that whatever or whoever we were praying to didn't care about whether there was anything substantial between the legs. I've never seen any depiction of the genitalia of the more modern gods and goddesses. The ancient Greeks and Romans (and some other ancient peoples) did have some depictions of godly (but no goddessly as putting in that slit was considered as being obscene in an obviously patriarchal society; the dominant class is always considered "cool" even if the members are plainly "naked;" Adam's and Eve's behavior after their eyes had been opened showed that they were ashamed of God's work in creating them in God's image and also making them like the animals with male and female; the Supreme Artist was irritated by their disapproval of the Masterpiece with the great bestowed dominions including the physical world) genitalia so maybe it was important to their deities or cultures. It might have been a reason why the ancient Greeks were so much favored by their deities to make fundamental discoveries and breakthroughs in many areas of thought.

Being "retarded," I "visited a stinky public toilet" in order to apply an Exclusion Principle I'd learnt playing with putting things into a too-small container (I greatly appreciated my Mom's up-sourcing to my Big Brother; pity the souls who don't own a Poo Tin so they have to squat there for "every breath you take.") "Warren" means "a network of interconnecting rabbit burrows." "Sander" means "a power tool used for smoothing a surface with sandpaper or other abrasive material (from oxford.)" It seems that we do have a pun beside just having more trumpery. The impeachment trial will resume on Tuesday, January 21st, 2020, with this cast of characters.

Declaration of innocence doesn't imply innocence unless there is a proof. In the U.S, it's done through an impeachment trial, unlike in Hong Kong (PRC) where the executive simply declares that there was no police brutality in more than seven months of unrests without any independent investigation. Donald John Trump needs Hong Kong's rule-of-law protection! I'm sure that he still has the breath from God in him to be able to utter: "I am innocent--all articles of impeachment dismissed!" Edward Snowden fled to Hong Kong, hoping for its rule-of-law protection. Can Hong Kong accommodate yet another one? Or can Moscow take him, too? Ukraine's former ruler found a safe haven there. So did Edward Snowden.

I suspect that Moscow must have a rather respectable "zoo." See, I can still pass my first kindergarten's graduation requirement (knowing every vocabulary word from 'apple', to 'vase', and to 'zoo') despite the intervening decades and being "retarded" in visiting my purported birthplace (I was being "scientific," doing actual field research!)

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2402) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 weeks ago

Corporate for profit health care is #2

The biggest threat to survival in America is the Wall St Oligarchy. The ruling elite parasites that appropriate the wealth produced by our community and claim it as personal property have not changed in 6000 years. They are as conservative as it's possible to be. Whether priests and kings in ancient Mesopotamia, demagogues in Athens, merchant senators in Rome, feudal lords and ladies or their [spiritual] progeny since whose latest hatch of banksters and billionaires threaten our existence today, they all have conservatism in common. If we allow their continued existence, we risk our own!