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Forum Post: We can not lose

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 6, 2011, 6:29 p.m. EST by timeisnow (3) from Rockford, IL
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This is our chance to make a difference, to force a change, and to bring those responsible for crimes against the american people for decades. We can not give up, nor can we allow them to take control of the movement and make us something we are not.

One of the biggest crimes in american history happened when these companies stole billions from the american people, and the politicians that gave it to them should also be held responsible.However I have come to the conclusion our politians care nothing for us, but only the companies that got them into office.

Unlike the Arab protest this year, no country or government will come to our aid. The companies and politicians will do everything to destroy and keep us silent. We must stay strong, and continue to send the message that we will no longer accept the almost slavery like country we are in.

The time will come soon when we will need a leader. We can not allow a political takeover from the democrats or republicans. To fix this country both of those parties must go. No longer can we spend 2 years fighting and not agreeing on anything. Then spend the other two campaigning. What gets accomploshed by this? Our whole political system must be changed. Our leader must be true to his values and true to what the american people want and need. For now though we must grow, continue to pressure Wall St. and Washington, and fight for the change we desperately need.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

we don't need a leader, thats lazyness talkng. we need everyone to start being personally responsible.

[-] 1 points by whynot88 (2) 12 years ago

I don't understand why you say that "companies" stole billions. Bush, Obama and idiots in Congress gave this money away!!! I hope that when this movement is searching for a leader, you don't pick Obama. That would be an absolute disaster!!!!

[-] 1 points by timeisnow (3) from Rockford, IL 12 years ago

Clearly stated the government and companies are to blame for all the trouble we are in. They continue to take more and more from the american people. That includes both Republicans and Democrats. Obama is not the answer but neither will be anyone else who will be on the ballot because it is a fixed system. Any true candidate who does have the right ideas will just be ignored by the media and will not have a chance at winning any election or primary. The system must be changed.

[-] 1 points by whynot88 (2) 12 years ago

I don't understand why you say that "companies" stole billions. Bush, Obama and idiots in Congress gave this money away!!! I hope that when this movement is searching for a leader, you don't pick Obama. That would be an absolute disaster!!!!

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

losing is easy. just fail to listen to the adults trying to point the way. just fail to have a wiki. just fail to have sub forums. just fail to keep detached from ideologies. just fail to understand that corporate oligarchy is the problem and capitalism has never existed. Just take protesting too seriously and never get back to the actual work of a paradigm shift. From MY perspective... its already been lost because of these problems. No sub forums yet. the scrawl has gone to epic proportions, nobody reads the old threads.. everyone is talking past each other. mob non consciousness. epic fail. The movement is a dead movement walking.

[-] 1 points by garvan (52) from North Bergen, NJ 12 years ago

nah, the way this is working is perfect.

this movement has to move exactly this fast, and be this multi-faceted and un-comprehensible to get it's multitude of points across.

Not to mention, the more unweildingly massive it is, the harder it is for it to be co-opted.

Just look at the magic that is /b/, and you will understand.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

its not getting its message across, in fact its losing peeps bleeding potential supporters from lack of organization. its not moving. its failing. its failing badly. thats not magic, its chaos, and its the kind of chaos that promises that the protest will be for nothing.

[-] 1 points by garvan (52) from North Bergen, NJ 12 years ago

It's only chaos when you see your own ideas and thoughts drowned out by the thoughts and ideas of others.

Learn to embrace that it is not the quality of you as a person, but simply the quality and validity of your own opinions that are being drowned out.

If your thoughts are truth, they shall spread onto the minds of others like wildfire. For those that oppose the truth, they shall think tirelessly of ways in which to circumvent such truths but never find a full solution to their "problems", which in turn only makes them spend more time facing the reality and the truth.

Get rid of your pride, and simply contribute your ideas, based on your own truth, and should they resonate with others, recognize that there is validity in your words.

Where they do not resonate, recognize there is still a problem with the full validity of your statements.

This is how this chaos works.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

dude, your lost. its not about me having my truth and knowledge drowned out- thats happening to EVERYONE. I don;'t have opinions, and there is no reasonable or rational process by which things are being evaluated. Its a giant mess, it is not helping anybody. because of this mess any chance that anything good could come out of this is rapidly fading. In order for truth to have wings it needs space. there is not enough room here. This is not my pride talking- this is science fact talking in regard to organizational reality. There is no problem with the validity of my statements. I'm rock awn. Heres what the total incompetence of your so called movement has led to. http://s11.zetaboards.com/occupytogether/forum/3025699/ i didn't put that up. Somebody else did because they also understand the simple fact that the admin incompetence and lack of organization around here are the true fatal error core problems. don;t argue with me. fix it,.

[-] 1 points by garvan (52) from North Bergen, NJ 12 years ago

My only complaint about this forums is that there isn't forced anon, and we can't post images.

The power of removing any identity from the debate, and letting it be one huge cluster-fuck-fest gives it something the 1% can't handle.

Chaos.

Not the false fight, false paradigm sort of chaos they use to control us.

No, rather the sort of chaos that's so uncontrollable, not even they can touch it.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

if you want to remain in fact only one tenth of one percent and never actually represent the rest of the 99 percent, thats a fine tactic. If you want anybody whos not an anarchist wiii addict to join, then you had best create meaningful functional organization. if you don't people will end up doing it for you and the "movement" will fracture into those groups. http://s11.zetaboards.com/occupytogether/forum/3025699/

[-] 1 points by mwagshol (120) from Seattle, WA 12 years ago

Make a new forum or wiki that links to the most discussed topics and contact the site administrators, spread the word, and get people to use that instead... or just complain about it.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

somebody did make a new forum. the question is whether to support that and thus create fractions and factions and sub groups. there is no substitute for right action from the admins here. Failing that i will go to the new forum thats been made on zeta boards... knowing its a non solution and that for instance they can't even back up their database.

[-] 1 points by mwagshol (120) from Seattle, WA 12 years ago

That does sound like a problem, is there any other solution we can work on to present tot he admins? And if they won't listen, I see no reason why we can't start a new site/forum/wiki/combination that would be the designation for building an intellectual foundation of this movement..

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

its come to that. http://s11.zetaboards.com/occupytogether/forum/3025699/

we have to get off and away from here due to the admin incompetence.