Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr

Forum Post: We can complain all day about what they did, but what are we going to do to fix it?

Posted 12 years ago on Sept. 29, 2011, 10:38 p.m. EST by CensuraUmbra (7)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

We have genuine reasons to be upset, but this isn't just a protest, this is the beginning of a revolution! No one will follow if they think we are aimless angry people. We need goals, we need to believe that SOMETHING will work! A are not anarchists (well most of us aren't), we are intelligent people who see the wrong and know how to make it right. The Egyptians succeeded because they fought valiantly for a goal, getting rid of Mubarak. We need to have clear, concise goals. We can't just go on stroke and strong arm the government, that isn't democracy. We must go on strike so we can be heard. We need to tell "THESE ARE OUR PROBLEMS, AND THESE ARE OUR IDEAS TO FIX THEM! HELP US OR WE WILL REPLACE YOU!"

Here are our problems as I see it:

Corruption: There well always be minor corruption, but we should be able to vote for people by what they say they will do, not what businesses tell them to do. Basically: "KEEP MONEY OUT OF POLITICS"

Useless parties: Our parties have grown too vague and too polarized. Nothing is being done in Washington because they can't agree on anything. This is why no one plays rock, paper, scissors best 2 out of 4, you will tie and no one will win. We need more parties for more ideas. We need a proportional representational voting system, but with direct voting policies. This will allow more parties to be involved as well as more voices. Many people feel there is no point in voting since their small party won't win. This way we can still have some representation. For example: Washington could be divided 40%Dems 40%Hop and 20% other. This will break the stalemate. Because if we don't, nothing will happen even if we get rid of the greed. Basically: "MORE REPRESENTATION, LESS INDECISION!"

These two factors have undermined democracy to a point where it seems we are just pretending to be democratic. If we fix these two issues we can use the new fairer democracy to solve our other complaints.



Read the Rules
[-] 1 points by WINGS (5) 12 years ago

alternative supreme financial system see: http://globe-union-bank.org/

[-] 1 points by redintheface (6) from Berkeley, CA 12 years ago

I'd say that a rallying cry must not be one of making enemies. I believe that the way forward is to think big and be bold. I'd suggest agitation for constitutional amendments guaranteeing some form of education and health care. Take the Tea Partiers at their word and look at constitutional solutions to these nonsense crises. I don't pretend to have the answer to the budget crisis, but these educational institutions must be protected from the greedy glare of bottom line politicians. I am not letting these cuts put my or my sons future in jeopardy. How would universities react to student walkout long enough for fed dollars to stop rolling in? Dis enroll students all at once. A little 'shock therapy' might be in order Students, you have nothing to lose but your FUTURE!

[-] 1 points by GandhiKingMindset (124) 12 years ago

Here is my suggested answer to what you are saying here. Specific demands. Specific deadline. Powerful non-violent tactics that work. https://occupywallst.org/forum/our-turn/

[-] 1 points by LeftCon (16) from Louisburg, NC 12 years ago

Also, fix gerrymandering and gerrymandered districts and nix lobbying entirely. Also the justice system needs revamping, but I don't think anyone else here cares about that.

[-] 1 points by redintheface (6) from Berkeley, CA 12 years ago

Horizontal lines through a state adjusted for population would solve gerrymandering. Don't let the interests guide this! You aren't the only one thinking about detonating 'safe' districts!

[-] 1 points by stealth (28) from Jersey City, NJ 12 years ago

here is a link on the forum topic for you too.

watch before you comment


[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

uhm. seems? we are just pretending to be democratic. we are a patent oligarchy. The ideas to fix them part is certainly important but should follow a path including science centered research, not hashing out opinions

[-] 1 points by redintheface (6) from Berkeley, CA 12 years ago

The reality is as stark as you say, but don't stop trying to fight the good fight. The interests may have control for now, but with this kind of tech., solutions will present themselves. Put a few artists and philosophers into your scientist pool and I think we might have a government that could get a few things solved

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

agreed it needs to be a broad pool of diverse types and kinds of thinking and skills .

[-] 1 points by redintheface (6) from Berkeley, CA 12 years ago

There's a link up here for action in SF, but nothing yet down south. Are you trying to get anyone together down there for a little D.A. in LA?

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

not really, not me...

[-] 1 points by CensuraUmbra (7) 12 years ago

Yes I agree, but science stats with theories.