Forum Post: Watching the Ice Disappear
Posted 10 years ago on March 5, 2014, 11:31 a.m. EST by shoozTroll
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In spite of our cold weather this winter, the Arctic ice is still declining.
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/05/watch-arctics-ice-not-so-magically-disappear.html
For even more fun, be sure to watch the denials at the end.
Guess who?
FLAKESnews, making flakes flakier since the 80s.
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It's gonna look real ugly for 10,000 years or so.
But Shhhhhh, we don't want anyone to know.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/17/3412131/wyoming-rejects-ngss/
Some just want to let the "markets" take care of it.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/14/3407631/idaho-house-committee-passes-bill-to-get-rid-of-all-epa-regulations/
Yeah, right.
Meanwhile........
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/17/3411561/sea-levels-greenland-ice-loss/
Then there's the libe(R)tarians, who play both sides against the middle to assure that nothing gets done.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/14/3407221/carl-demaio-climate-koch/
and the people who pollute it?
See for yourself.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/17/3414651/west-virginia-spill-bankruptcy-salary/
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They're back.
Here's some other new stuff to keep you busy.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-global-warming-will-cross-a-dangerous-threshold-in-2036/
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/03/science-deniers-cosmos-neil-tyson
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It is cool and depressing - cool that anyone can do it - depressing that few would understand the math and what they were doing with it. But - COOL in that those with proper education can. There has got to be a few people around the world who could make good use of it - Right?
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I am for everything that educates that engenders understanding awareness and most of all Participation in pushing for healthy change. Denier BS is starting to crumble more and more everyday - the pace has got to accelerate though.
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Yeah, the site has been a bit wonky today.
Here's the info from elsewhere.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/newly-discovered-greenland-melting-could-accelerate-sea-level-rise/
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/wyoming-doesnt-want-kids-get-date-science-education-because-climate-change-might-be-expensive-180950131/?no-ist
I saw something earlier on record king tides in the Marshall Islands.
http://www.islandsbusiness.com/news/marshall-islands/4773/king-tide-floods-marshall-islands-capital/
this one has the photos.
http://www.rtcc.org/2014/03/03/marshall-islands-capital-majuro-submerged-by-king-tides/
You really should get in on the fight to support Tesla and it's national network growth. Other manufacturers would be forced to follow the example. To hell with gasoline.
I added this to the letter http://action.ucsusa.org/site/R?i=Q0vj7o3NGNVolZIzRXJQdw :
But to be more proactive and to make the best healthy growth towards clean transportation:
You really should get in on the fight to support Tesla and it's national network growth. Other manufacturers would be forced to follow the example. To hell with gasoline. Make gasoline as clean as possible while it is still in use - BUT - shorten the time that gasoline needs to be used.
It's not enough. Tesla is at least 20 years too late.
Correct Tesla is not enough ( least ways not just the USA converting ) - but transportation is a major pollution issue and Tesla type tech is immediately available for implementation - did you see today where France banned the driving of all even numbered ( plates ) cars in Paris? And may do the odd number cars tomorrow. Air pollution. Huh - well at least someone is starting to wake-up a bit - maybe they will end up banning all fossil fuel burners? There are alternatives available. GO TESLA !!! And all other completely electric vehicles.
It has to spread worldwide.......FAST!
From Mexico City to Beijing, to Rio, to LA, to Bombay.
All the old cars need to be GONE and replaced. In an instant.
All the coal plants, need to be GONE tomorrow.
what are the chances?
Tomorrow? None.
But "if" a decision were made to go full bore conversion? SERIOUS FULL IMPLEMENTATION ? I could see it done ( cars and trucks and buses ) inside of ten years - the manufacturing is already mostly in place from current transportation manufacturers - just need to retool/re-task. This including shutting down all coal power plants - they could go hydrogen fuel cell and be implementing thorium reactors I would say prior to the passing of ten years - but just going full implementation of solar cells and wind turbines would make a hell of a difference in ten years.
All of that would demand an admission that it's happening and that we are a part of why it's happening.
Getting that alone to happen could take 10 years, as they are still institutionalizing denial.
BTW - Have you taken the poll? https://www.avaaz.org/en/2014_member_poll_d/?cl=4247394707&v=37186
If not - please consider doing it - it is better than a yes no type deal - it gives you the opportunity to voice your thoughts/views and effect world wide opinion/action/strategy.
Denial can only last so long as a stalling factor - as the public is gonna see it clearer and clearer ( the effects ) - we are at a tipping point in public awareness. So once reality sets in to the majority - it leaves a question of how long to get all deniers removed from positions of authority/power and start full action to clean change.
Once the work begins I think it will be easier to feed that change.
So it really depends on when the tipping point is crossed = 1 year? 2 3?
All of the protests are helping and if we can push viable alternatives that are available RIGHT NOW to the public - we can build some good momentum for the proper work to get initiated/done.
Denial as means to raise profits.
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/investors-are-betting-on-climate-change-to-raise-food-prices
It's why I am hoping that Avaaz will really take to the idea of networking with all Social Health Justice etc groups ( synergy ) and really push for implementation of clean tech and supporting the growth of such things as Tesla. It should dove-tail nicely into existing protests of ineffective/captured government.
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New melting has been detected.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/newly-discovered-greenland-melting-could-accelerate-sea-level-rise/
As fossil fuel accelerates the destruction of the world - when will come the call to sanity? Will it come?
Just after Miami goes under water.
Then somebody will go.
Hmmmmm, there might be something to this global warming thing. Why didn't Rush say something?
Miami ? or the Hampton s !
Limpballs? Didn't get his talking points on it?
I could look them up and provide a link, or you could just go to his web site.
It's a mess. All the denial is about the same though.
Insanity - yep
No matter how many times you explain that it's NEVER happened this fact in all those millions of years, they still refuse to believe we could possibly have anything at all to do with it.
Greed is blind as well as uncaring - part of the mental ILLNESS aspect of it all.
The math gets complicated.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-global-warming-will-cross-a-dangerous-threshold-in-2036/
" hurt all aspects of human civilization: food, water, health, energy, economy and national security."
We are already seeing this - and if things continue as they are = expanding fracking etc etc Then I expect things will get significantly worse quite a bit sooner than 2036. I expect by 2025 ( 11 years ) we will see nasty results from growing droughts ( we already are ) - growing drought areas and severity and duration - coupled with increasingly turbulent weather = major wild storm events.
We are not burning at the same rate - insane as it is - fossil fuel extraction is expanding ( bringing with it it's own air pollution - prior to being burned ) and exporting is increasing - so - increasing the fossil fuel burning/use.
Now, the measurements get complicated.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/19/3416155/keeling-curve-funding-co2/
And twerking is part of the human experience not at all shameful and those who think otherwise are narrow-minded Church Ladies!!!
We are polluting the planet, idiots, this has consequences!!
Signed, of course.
only number 3 is a fact
"Modern Witchcraft"
Will they be dunking scientists soon?
http://aattp.org/koch-puppet-cpac-panelists-say-silly-climate-change-is-modern-witchcraft/
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Unless of course, that disinformation can increase profits.
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Ahhhhh, it's all a figment of your imagination.
The most powerful storm in recorded history didn't smash the Philippines, last year.
It was all done with Photoshop, like the moon landings.
Witchcraft, says the Kochs, and they have so much money they simply have to be right.
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We're 3in shy of a record set in 1880, and who knows how they even measured it back then. For the last several years I've been bragging about having flowers by the end of March. They're up, but not blooming yet this year.
Where have all the flowers gone? Can you tell me, anyone? dahtin deedee doodeedoo. deedeedee doodeedooo. And also, what kind of flowers, ehhh?that's bloomin' crazy. get it? bloomin'?
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I hope it doesn't kill us all.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/14/3407631/idaho-house-committee-passes-bill-to-get-rid-of-all-epa-regulations/
Don't forget the Kochs.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/14/3407221/carl-demaio-climate-koch/
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Blizzard_of_1888
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The more I read about the Great White Hurricane, the more I realize how horrendous it was...sustained 50 mph winds...gusting to 80 mph in some places...over 400 people died...200 in Manhattan alone...ships running aground and capsizing from the weight of the drifting snow. Google up the Blizzard of 1888 - Vermont and see how it affected your state.
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Finally a step in the right direction??? Coal producer to pay hundreds of millions for pollution
EDIT -> at this point in time - I have no idea of the cost of the damage done and what will the cost be to do a REAL clean-up ( if it can even be done ) - SO the record fine? Is perhaps nowhere near the cost of the damage done = SOSDD
Before, or after it spends a few decades on appeal?
Wellllll - OH and don't forget any PR costs.
Apple Tells Limbaugh and His Ilk to Stick Their Money Where the Sun Don't Shine
WHAT ???
REALLY ???
Apple/China???
HUH
ANYONE ELSE THINKING = PURE PR BULLSHIT - ???
PR
Don't ask any probing questions.
Yep & Yep - feel good story for the public with no in-depth questioning about the China connection = sweat shop manufacturing along with some of the worlds worst pollution manufacturing practices.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/business/international/chinese-workers-at-ibm-factory-on-strike-amid-company-sale.html?_r=0
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Yeah, but, it's pretty much you and me and Micah that give a shit.
The rest would prefer to play on political games, and recreating their favorite soap opera.
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http://twitchy.com/2014/03/04/check-out-these-alangraysonexcuses-for-the-democrats-alleged-war-on-women/
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/05/fl-man-flying-kkk-flag-assures-community-we-dont-beat-up-on-fggots-or-blacks/
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ice doesn't disappear it only changes from one form to another- fukin liars
U tryin to be a dickhead? If so - congratulations.
Ice ( frozen water ) that melts ( disappears ) is water or water vapor. It is no longer ice - so it ( ice ) is - in fact - disappearing.
It's water that changes form......derp, derp.
The ice, in this case, melts into the sea.