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Forum Post: War with Iran is sheer idiocy...

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 16, 2012, 10:06 p.m. EST by ARod1993 (2420)
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...but it's as much them as it is us. Mahmoud Ahmedinejad is basically a theocratic quasi-dictator surrounded by a mix of mullahs and thugs who's busy rattling his saber at Israel to distract the populace from the manner in which he took power. Even if he isn't pushing for a nuclear weapon, at the very least he's posturing in such a manner as to indicate that he is so that he can be big and bad and try to drown out critics with testosterone-laced patriotism.

Why? Basically, the Arab Spring almost got underway in Iran two years early in 2009, when Ahmedinejad lost the presidential election to a moderate reformer named Mir Hussein Mousavi. Rather than accept the loss, he instead chose to rewrite the election results and declare himself the victor. The Iranian people were not happy with this, and they hit the streets in numbers reminiscent of the protests in Tahrir Square to complain. Unlike Mubarak, Ahmedinejad was able to crack down hard enough to drive Mousavi underground and hold power, but it left an incredibly bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

At this point, Iran is splitting apart between old guard conservatives, and a younger, more cosmopolitan generation that's more inclined toward moderation and a certain degree of secularism (and that really doesn't bode well for Ahmedinejad). The fastest and easiest way he sees to resolve the split in his favor is to unite the people around a common enemy (that's pretty much universally true; just look how fast we all rallied around Bush II after 9/11) and to that end he's spoiling for a fight with Israel and the Western world in general.

Ahmedinejad wants the current standoff to blow up just as badly as Netanyahu does, and for roughly the same reasons (Netanyahu's not a dictator but he's hard-right and militant enough that even Meir Dagan, who spent nearly a decade running Mossad, considers him a belligerent idiot and wants Israel to stop needlessly antagonizing the rest of the Western world) and I don't see them backing off anytime soon. I also don't necessarily agree with appeasing Iran either, because in a situation like this I can't see Ahmedinejad stopping anytime soon (stopping would mean that he'd have to face Iran's internal issues and I can't see that working out well for him). At this point, all we can really do is hope that we don't wind up with a second Cuban missile crisis on our hands.



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[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Even if he isn't pushing for a nuclear weapon, at the very least he's posturing in such a manner as to indicate that he is so that he can be big and bad and try to drown out critics with testosterone-laced patriotism.

I think possession of the technology that makes it possible to build one makes it inevitable with an individual like Ahmadinejad; all that is required at this point is the time necessary to initiate the process of manufacture.

A nuclear weapon is an extension of power. Iran has a deep desire to extend its influence throughout the middle east. I am confident they are now attempting to negotiate a position geopolitically that will make construction of such a device possible.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 12 years ago

That's the problem with Iran. It's easy to look at this as being America's fault because then things are simple again; all we have to do is elect Ron Paul and the world will be at peace because we won't be picking any more fights. In reality, Iran needs to come to grips with its own demons if we actually want to avoid a war, because otherwise they'll just keep pushing until we have to do something about it.

[-] 1 points by Mowat (164) 12 years ago

"Netanyahu's not a dictator".


The poor Palestinians in the West Bank living as tenth class citizens and their homes bulldozed are not living under a dictatorship? The 1.5 million in Gaza - under siege, constant bombardment and being killed like chicken - are not living in a dictatorship?

Are you normal?

If you are Jewish, that's understandable.


[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 12 years ago

He's technically not a dictator, but he is a belligerent idiot who really seems to want to start a pissing contest with Ahmedinejad at a time when nobody can afford it and who treats Palestinians like shit. I don't like Netanyahu. A lot of my Jewish friends don't like Netanyahu. A good chunk of Israel doesn't like Netanyahu. Hell, Meir Dagan doesn't like Netanyahu, and all with good reason. I want the Israeli-Palestinian conflict brought to a mutually acceptable resolution before I die, and Netanyahu's government is a major roadblock.