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Forum Post: War is the central Gavlinizing Issue that can produce change in our Political System

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 4, 2013, 9:35 p.m. EST by Middleaged (5140)
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Let's look at War - The agreement that War is Bad should

1) Unite people to Demand Deeper Democracy
2) Unite people to critize both the Rs & Ds
3) Unite people to see the stupidity of our Congress (with the Power of the Budget)
4) Unite people to see how we are all controlled, haven't had participatory government or true representation
5) Unite people to see the Power of Money and the Lobby to twist our government into a Right Wing Empire
6) Unite people to see the Power and Control of Defense Corporations
7) Unite people to see How Our Government dehumanizes all people ... probably in favor of corporations
8) Unite people to see Government Waste
9) Unite people to see that the Congress is uncaring

Clearly Politics in the USA is about "Not Being" other things. Our politicians are Not Socialist, Not Communist, Not Fascist ... they only prove this by being a "Republican" or "Democract" ... which are Lables or Fascades. A Democract that supports war is either not Progressive or he is "Playing" the game. Republicans that support foreign wars are not "Conservative Fiscally, or Militarily". Constant War proves Rightwing membership and alignment with corporations or other powers.

Consider we are "Not Being" a democracy, since we don't allow the Third Parties equal access, equal platforms, equal air time, equal place in all the debates. This is not Plato's Democracy. When was the last time you saw or heard someone from the Socialist Party, the Social Workers party, or the Communist Party ...speak on TV, Cable, or Radio.

Frankly, I think many Americans are so Fascist, they would beat up any socialist, marxist, or communist that got on TV. Probably, we would see some socialist get killed....

So, yeah, politicians are "Not" socialist. But we live in a Socialist Country since we have popular social programs like unemployment insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Social Education in grades 1-12 secondary schools.

So, I guess we have a Dichotoy: Rightwing Empire with Socialist Programs controlled by a Fascist State. Oh yeah, we have clear politics through the 2 party system.

War is the central Gavlinizing Issue that can produce change in our Political System, but ... we don't really tell the truth in MSM. We don't really have much democracy in our political system structured on Rs & Ds.

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[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

"The nation embraces the dangerous delusion that we are on a providential mission to save the rest of the world from itself, to impose our virtues, which we see as superior to all other virtues - on others and that we have a right to do that by force. This belief has corrupted both democrats and republicans." - Chris Hedges

We cannot afford these wars, that kill more civilians than that which were already being killed by the oppressive foes we say are the reason we are in these countries. The Iraq and Afghanistan war has lead to the highest civilian death tolls in both countries in recent history. While we fund the oppressive Saudis, Israelis, and doll out billions to other regimes on the deal that they spend billions on weapons and munitions. Which are deals made by puppeticians lobbied by the arms industries.

As a corporate takeover of government has the military kill hundreds of thousands of civilians overseas, we are becoming what we seek to destroy. Oppressive murderers.

War is not peace. This needs to be established.

"The rash of home foreclosures, mounting job loss, the collapse of banks and the financial services industry, the poverty ripping apart the working class, our crumbling infrastructure, and the killing of Iraqi and Afghanistan civilians with fragmentation bombs converge. The costly forms of death we dispense on one side of the globe are hollowing us out from the inside at home." - Chris Hedges.

War is the enemy of the poor. - MLK

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

We have been lied to about war ...and there is proof of this. It makes us all wonder what else Washington has lied to us about. Did it lie about the need for Financial Bailout, about the need for waivers of prosecution of financial crimes, about the safety of our TBTF Banks that are bigger than ever before, about the safetyof the financial System with all the derivatives and shadow banking which have no visability at all or any way to see if they are rated properly, or the sheer size of derivatives Risk in the System, or the conflict of interest of having Bankers rottate through the Treasury, OMB, Federal Reserve Appointments, FDIC, OCC, OTS, ... or the problem with money in lobbying, and corporations unlimited spending potential....

I'm watching a movie now which shows the steady increase in Civilian deaths from WWI, through WWII, Vietnam, Iraq from 10% in WWI to 90% in Iraq. WOW.

Video youtube War Made Easy

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Millions in vietnam, cambodia, laos, hundreds of thousands in nicaragua, el salvador etc, millions killed in middle east. It is disgusting.

Last year we killed 246 with robot bombs, 7 children.!!

It's time to demand our government stop the murder. End the resource wars we don't admit. End the phony war on terror fraudulently used to justify these illegal acts of war as well as civil rights violations here at home.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Good post, Agree. Central America still needs to be told. And we have entered a new phase it seems... we don't declare war since you can't declare war on terrorists really, but what do you call it when you do that many drone strikes in Pakistan? Those are just special ops operations going round the clock. So "Concentrated Daily Drone Ops to adjust the battlefield"... "Observe and Terminate Ops"... "Observe and Strike Ops"?

No, they will still train foerign soldiers, pay foreign soldiers, support foreign factions, interdict democracy with mercenary armies.... and support despots, tyrants, and rogue governments that abuse human rights....

They are still removing Landmines in Laos & Cambodia as far as I know... Hate to think what is in Central America. 90% Civilian Causualties in Iraq. I have to look into that some more. Wow.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

These days it is critical that we as individuals use less of ALL resources. That can minimize the excuses for war. As a group we must protest an end to war. 1st an end the war on terror, with that comes an elimination of the illegal justification for drone strikes and our civil rights violations. No retreat, no war, no kidding.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Agree.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Now all we hve to do is get more people to agree.

[-] 2 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

Look at what starts wars.

  1. pre-1850 Were we at war with Islam, the Middle East, Terrorists? No
  2. Post-1850 global oil production took off. Were we at war with Islam, the Middle East? No
  3. Pre-1970 global oil production in increasing year by year. Were we at war with Islam or the Middle East? No
  4. Post-1970 The US peaks in Oil production as predicted by the Hubbert Curve, by Shell Oil Co's chief geologist. OPEC soon formed. The oil industry woke up. The reality dawned - we will soon reach global peak production and then go into global production decline. After this period, oil prices started rising and the value of oil and the regions that produced the most of it began to take on economic and strategic value. Oil-based economics of terrorism began with ambitions to take political control over these regions, notably Saudi Arabia (and whatever else they could grab) by Al Qaida. This led Dick Cheney to predict that the war on terror would last another 40 years, coinciding with the prediction that oil would run out in 40 years. Are we at war with Islam and the Middle East? Yes
  5. Post 2035 The global oil supply is exhausted. Will we be at war with Islam and the Middle East? No
[-] 4 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

2.Post-1850 We went into the banana wars in Latin America and the Carribean for Corporate interests, mostly Produce, Fruit, Sugar.

I agree with you. But we hear complicting info on peak Oil. Although I don't feel confident of the info, I'm sure that monolopizing the source of energy production and locomotion for automobiles ... has create Mega Corporations with Mega Power.

Read Robert Baers Book How washinton sold our soul for Saudi Crude... pretty clear oil is more important that stoping the movement of weapons around the middle east from what he says of the government.

So we have Opium, Oil, Rare Metals or minerals, Food, Water, ....Banking Profits. Have you considered that the CIA may have merged with Bankers after WWII... possibly even recruiting Germans for Financial Expertise ... maybe the German Financiers suggested controlling the Opium.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

they had already recruited German Nazis for rocket/missile technology. I would not be surprised of who else they recruited.

In the movie October Sky, Wenher Von Braun is idolized.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yeah, from wikipedia: At the close of World War II, a number of key German scientists and engineers were brought to the United States under Operation Paperclip. Col. Holger Toftoy arranged for 127 individuals, including Wernher von Braun, to receive contracts for work on Army missiles.

I don't think I know much about this or the movie. I thought there was 2 missile programs, but looks like mostly 1 program that that grew, began to work on space and ballistic missiles ... and those parts went to NASA, while other parts stayed with the amry.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

The movie is actually pretty good and based on a true story. I remember watching it as a kid. The main character, played by Jake Gylenhaal, aspires to work for NASA. Throughout the movie he references his aspirations come from the work of Wernher Von Braun. I found it pretty crazy that he was totally a Nazi before getting amnesty in exchange for working for the US military.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Wow, not sure I had ever heard that...

[-] 2 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

Prescott Bush owned/ran a bank as a shell corp for Hitler's main financier. The US Govt closed it down and charged Bush under the trading with the enemies act during WWII. If that gives an idea of how close they are to the Nazis. All the Bushes are members of the Yale secret society (Clintons also and Kerry), Order of Skull and Bones, which is chapter 322 of the German secret society the Illuminati (which got banned in Germany and was a precursor to the Nazi party).

Bonesmen from Yale ran the OSS in WWII and designed and drafted the Central Intelligence Act of 1947 and then headed-up the CIA recruiting other Bonesmen primarily into the agency. The Order of Skull and Bones was registered in Germany by Russell and Co, who endowed Yale. Yale property is owned by the Order of Skull and Bones and their registered office is Herriman's in NYC, which HW Bush ran at some point.

In the opium trade between Calcutta and Bejing, 27% of the ships running opium (prior to the opium wars) were American Ships, the rest were mostly British. That international drug money went to endow Yale and the Order of Skull and Bones, and that drug smuggling operation was inherited by Bonesmen from Russell.

After WWI and WWII with the rise of signal intelligence, greater naval presence on the oceans and radar, the traditional methods of smuggling were coming under pressure. These Bonesmen saw the need to embed their smuggling operations under the cloak of top secret clearances and they effectively hijacked US intelligence to continue their drug operations without legal, customs, military or govt oversight. Very genius plan.

So that is what has caused US foreign policy to go haywire after WWII. The last real legitimate war we had was WWII. Since then the CIA was used false flag and false intelligence operations to fool the Congress and military into fighting what are essentially their drug turf wars (see War Made Easy on Youtu

be). They operate out of CIA helicopters and airplanes (Air America) with CIA airports in the US and import drugs by the ton on a daily basis. When they get too much resistance, or competition (like AlQaida-Talibhan moving in on their Afghan poppy fields) they create some pretext (like 9/11) directly or indirectly link their enemies to it (Saddam and WMDs, which was about oil) and drag the US military in to take out the competition. When the war is over, they continue their drug operations having taught a lesson to the local drug warlords.

They also co-opted the Gladio operation after WWII, which left intel and military units in Europe and other regions (like Turkey) as stay behind forces in the event of a Soviet invasion. They used these for drug smuggling and employed drug smugglers from Turkish prisons to do their dirty work in Central Asia, China, etc. They recruited and created right wing radical groups (read Nazis) all over Europe and Central Asia under Galdio (the Nazi Fourth Reich). These are documented facts.

Through Operation Paper Clip the Nazi Bonesmen running the CIA secretly imported Nazi war criminals (1800+) into the US and over 100 of Hitler's intelligence officers went to work directly for the CIA. Over 150 took over and founded NASA under Werner Van Braun who developed military strategies and technologies (space shuttle) for conquering space in order to take over the world. The military just landed a military unmanned drone space shuttle last year. It is on Youtube.

The concern is that the Nazis never died. The CIA has spread the rise of right wing radical Nazis worldwide and it looks like they are building up for the Fourth Reich, which will be based on leveraging NASA's control of Space. From space they can attack anything anywhere remotely from the ground (lasers, rods from God, etc), and no one can easily attack them, especially if they are bunkered inside a mountain somewhere unknown.

These same intel orgs have such bunkers. Space is weaponized. Hilter's top Nazi intelligentsia war criminals have infiltrated the US top govt military industrial complex since WWII. They have obviously secured control over NASA. Who was there to oversee and stop them? The CIA, who are controlled by a German secret society of Nazis. This is what JFK had figured out, and he declared war against them. They assassinated him. That simple.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Thanks. Makes sense that the Drug Policy is older than WWII. 9-11 makes sense to in light of the rare earth metals, the continuing desire for a pipeline through Afghanistan, and the Taliban shut down of the Opium Growing. Not that wholesale drug selling is so profitable, but we know that there are people that don't want us to think or be educated or know our history ...drugs fit this strategy. Plenty of DEA & military have been caught shipping drugs in military planes. And we certainly follow many British Traditions, why not Opium?

Do you think the Germans from the Ratlines that got to Argentina and Brazil are networked with US Nazis. You know Bush family has a compound in Paraguay ...must be buddies with the Dictatorship.

http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2008/01/turkey-state-terrorism-gladio-nato.html
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2008/02/turkey-gladio-nato-staybehind-false.html
http://www.physics911.net/pdf/DanieleGanser_Terrorism_in_Western_Europe-1.pdf

The Following are the Code word for NATO Countries Stay Behind Armies, Gladio Type operations:
Belgium SDRA8,
Denmark Absalon,
Germany TD BDJ,
Greece LOK,
Luxemburg Stay-Behind,
Netherlands I&O,
Norway ROC,
Portugal Aginter,
Switzerland P26,
Turkey Counter-Guerrilla,
Austria OWSGV,
Italy Gladio,
However, the code names of the secret armies in France, Finland, Spain, and Sweden remain unknown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Guerrilla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension
http://dspace.cigilibrary.org/jspui/bitstream/123456789/27137/1/Turkeys%20Deep-State%20and%20the%20Ergenekon%20Conundrum.pdf
http://danieleganser.ch/assets/files/Inhalte/Interviews/Zeitungsinterviews/pdf_08/2008-02-turkey-ergenekon.pdf http://www.variant.org.uk/27texts/cause_for_concern.html

[-] 2 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

The Rockefellers were also running drug ships into Bejing and their money went to endow Harvard. They are another group of "winners".

[-] 2 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

When HW Bush was the drug Czar under Reagan (and VP) the drug supply in US INCREASED. He was just doing his job (his other job).

[-] 2 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

Absolutely connected.

About the Bush in So America, they used Zapata Oil rigs for smuggling drugs, as well. Boats would dock to the rig and helicopters would bring the bags on shore.

Look into Nazi war criminals who purchased businesses in the US after WWII. They are a power and they have been recruiting. The Neo-Nazi Aryan movement in the US is very much connected.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Funny about HW Bush and Drug supply going up... Not sure I will find Nazi war criminals purchaseing businesses in the US ... maybe in youtube? But I've never search that before...

[-] 2 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

I have heard the report of it, but have yet to search for particulars. It should be VERY interesting and VERY revealing.

Notice who the American people HATE.

1 US Intel. Why? They are acting like Nazis because they are Nazis.

2 Big Business. Some are also acting like Nazis. Let's see who really is! Research this!

What would a Nazi business agenda be?

1 Weapons. They would be in aerospace, weapons, defense industry, military industrial complex.

2 Chemical warfare, so chemicals. Biotech. Nanotech.

3 Atom bombs. Nuclear power.

4 Propaganda, media communications.

5 Transportation of troops, etc. Trucking and rail.

6 Shelter. Rat lines, housing their agents around the world. BINGO Hilton worldwide!

7 Poisoning and killing people en masse, so adding chlorine and fluoride to the water supply. Chemtrail spraying (USAF airplanes).

Like this we can predict where they would gravitate. Where would you go if you were coordinating the next global Fourth Reich?

Figure that over 10,000 Nazi war criminals, unrepentant, congregated in South America and North America and had lots of Nazi gold to finance a global operation to plan and execute the Fourth Reich. That is what has been in the works since WWII. They practically achieve that in terms of hijacking US intel via the CIA.

Most of the WWII generation Nazis are dead. So their kids, their followers, it needs to be deeply looked into. WWII beat them back and hard. But it didn't wipe them out. The core group of intelligentsia was preserved and the cream of the crop (Hilter's brain) got integrated directly into the military industrial complex. The most diabolical devious, evil, motivated, scum of the Earth took over the most critical component of the US military - NASA and Space. That is FREAKING spooky. Try to go through all the assets and facilities under NASA and see what you find lurking there? They must have cloned Hitler by now.

[-] 0 points by oldJohn (-646) 1 year ago

Hitler's brain was carefully cut out from his body and placed into a vat hooked up to various robotic interfaces. It has become the brain of the Illuminati. It's housed in an underground facility in Siberia and sends orders to Illuminati members through a private satellite network.

[-] 2 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

Blackstone Group is run by a Bonesman from Yale who bought the Hilton Worldwide. Get ready for this, they also own the Weather Channel. Talk about Illuminati control. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone_Group

Type Public Traded as NYSE: BX Industry Financial Services Founded 1985 Founder(s) Peter G. Peterson Stephen A. Schwarzman (Chairman & CEO) Headquarters 345 Park Avenue New York, New York, U.S. Key people Hamilton James (President & COO) J. Tomilson Hill (Vice Chairman) Products Private Equity Investment Banking Investment Management Asset Management Revenue US$ 3.119 billion (2010) Net income US$ 1.418 billion (2010) AUM US$ 150 billion (2010)[1]

They would be the FIRST place I would occupy.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well, we know that Nazis were Recruited after WWII to form a secret army in Germany to fight the Communist in the Event of Communist Invasion... From the foreign language documentary about Operation Gladio and the Secret Armies on youtube. So we see:

1) Operation Paperclip
2) Ratlines throught the Vatican to help Nazis escape to South America
3) Some Failures in bringing Nazis & SS to Trial & to capture or detain some of the worst German Criminals ... which lead to the formation of Simon Wiesenthal's Institution to find and bring to trial more of the Nazis. There were also complaints that the Trials for War Crimes were not tough enough or detailed enough and didn't reveal enough.
4) Operation Gladio and all the other Secret NATO Stay Behind Armies ... not only shows the willingness to stage false flag operations, terrorist attacks, but also the institutional gravity to use and recruit Nazis, to strengthen NATO and the USA.

So... While I don't want to jump to conclusions about Nazis ...and I am resisting it ... there is more info out there to be found. We know this from the Doctorate Paper Written by Daniele Gansler, and all his other works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniele_Ganser

As it became clear that the former Allies were no longer interested in pursuing the work of bringing Nazi war criminals to justice, Wiesenthal persisted, believing the survivors were obligated to take on the task.[37]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal#Nazi_hunter

So, here we see Writ Large, how poor Investigations are the Result of Corruption ...and we see how the poor Investigations lead to Additional Mayhem, Additional Violence, Additional Murder, and a Repeat of History. History Repeats.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

WAR MADE EASY from your note below... so far looks like the Creel Commission.

Late add: 50 minutes into the video, Bush the elder talks about the Vietnam Syndrome... But really this is the justification for NATO Stay Behind Armies... creating terrorism in NATO Countries in Operation Gladio. Bush shows that there was a real concern for US people not having the stomach for war after VIetnam. And the goal of Gladio Operations is stated to be to strengthen public support for security and strengthen sentiment toward the Right.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

There are other resources we war over. Or WILL war over. Somehow we must learn to share fairly & maybe see all countries as one country. We only have one world. I don't see much hope of this but that is the only way forward. We must protest for it. No let up. No compromise, no retreat, no war!

[-] 2 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

I agree.

But know who you are protecting against. Do you?

You are up against real Nazis. They don't play fair, they don't care and they don't share. They take you stuff because they are the master race. You are inferior.

Protesting will not change their policy. They only listen to power (as long as they are less powerful). We didn't wipe out the Nazis. Ten thousand escaped prosecution in South America. Thousands infiltrated into America through Project Paperclip into our intelligence, military and defense industry. Another 100 into the CIA where they have been setting up Nazi puppet dictator regimes throughout Central Asia, South and Central America and so on. 150 Nazi war criminals founded NASA under Werner Van Braun. They were not wasting time there. They were planning and plotting the Fourth Reich to control the world through the control of space. The secret shuttle payloads are complete and space is fully weaponized and controlled.

See what happens next. Just wake up.

[-] 1 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

I'm not afraid of nazis. like you seem to be. Get a grip. WE are rising up against that vacant ideology. They fear us!

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

You left out that the whole war on terror is a fraud. A fraud built on the fraud of 9/11 inside job.

As long as people feel they need protection from terrorism, they'll support all kinds of wars and intrusions on their privacy (read attacks on the constitution). What's a TSA groping compared with the possibility of not making it home alive to have dinner with your kids?

The reality: ten years of war based on a lie.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Agree. War is war, but war 500 miles from our shores has to be a fraud by definition. no one from Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan has a navy, air force, or army that can attack Alaska, Hawaii, or the Continent of the USA. And a war has to be against a state, a government or an army. There is no war against terrorist since they have no army, no bases, no logistics hubs, no garrisons, no sea ports.... same for the war on Drugs. These are police actions, best handled by screening people at customs and immigration, and screening people as they get on transportation to cross into the USA. Plus the FBI, CIA, or NSA can set up a visit to those countries to talk with their police and investigate those bad guys.

You can't declare war on a criminal gang in another country. It doesn't make sense to spend $500 Billion a year to hunt for gang members. There is no difference.

So we agree the wars are fabricated and their is no way to justify these wars since 1959.

How do we explain this to people when the press is all bought off. You can tell the press is bought off by the run up to the Iraq war. Just look at Fox News all those guys are actors or entertainers. It is not even a news channel. But all of the Media was paid off in the run up to war.

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Attack the press liars on all fronts. The media cartels need to be broken up. No corpoRAT ownership. No cross platform ownership. Limited (or just one) outlets. Let a hundred flowers bloom.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yes, thanks. The media needs to become all small businesses. This won't prevent them from forming networks or being bought off by CIA or conservatives... but at least the reporters and the lower workers will see and know their bosses ... and they will be able to become Whistleblowers or blow the scam when obvious powers are influencing the Editors or News owners.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

The whole economy should shift to a small business economy. Such a economy would automatically be a jobs economy, and such businesses could not overpower democracy as they do now.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

True. But I will say that small businesses already are the core of our Economy ... it is just that people don't recognize this fact and corporations whine and lobby to promote the idea that they are "Too Big Too Fail".

Take the Bernie Sanders statement that we lost 50,000 manufacturing facilities in the USA. Well when you look at this these are mostly small businesses not large Plants like the big auto makers.

So clearly Small Businesses are the heart of US Economy, but the Tax Rebates and Corporate Welfare given by government ... just makes it harder for small business people to compete in the USA.

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

OK, but it's the big money corpoRATs that own the politicians (or rather rent them).

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yep, all business is spressed by larger corporations with strong supporting Roles by the US Media, US Congress, US Regulators, US FTC, US DOJ, and US TBTF Banks.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

End the phony war on terror, and the invasions, drone strikes, massive defense budget & rights violations lose their justification.

That is key.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

To paraphrase Voltaire: 'Get people to believe absurdities, and you will get them to support atrocities.'

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Truism that stands the test oftime.

The war on terror continues because of the fear mongering propaganda designed to garner support for all these criminal activities. That has existed since the 9/11 attacks were exploited for just this purpose.

It's got to end! The propaganda, the war on terror, then everything else will follow.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

War was the 3rd thing I proposed as the 3 unifying goals of most all Americans-

  1. The banks are out of control
  2. Money has destroyed the deomcracy
  3. The war machine must be stopped.

Of course, we saw what the RNC did to the lone candidate who supported two out of those three- pretty much banished.

And with the bullshit rule that the incumbetn gets the nod 100% of the time, there was no reason for Obama to address any of em.

But you are right, unifying to promote is change is the key.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Good post. wise words. Agree. Also looking at the MSM after 9-11, and all through the Iraq war, I think many can see the total loss of Independent Reporting, Truth in Government, "The Media is Paid Off".

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Equal Rights Amendment. I wasn't really paying attension when this was happening. I was pretty young. Does anyone remember what happened?

I think I assumed that the ERA Amendment was good and would pass at the time. Found this link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly#Opposition_to_an_Equal_Rights_Amendment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly#Women.27s_issues

Phylliss Schlafly sounds like a piece of work. Maybe she had a nutrician problem....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment

Looks like many women opposed the ERA Amendment since there was concern about labor laws that were already helping with womens salaries and...they already had other legislation: Equal Pay Act of 1963, Civil Rights Act of 1964, and in 1966 an Activist group formed to protect women's rights called National Organization for Women.

Oh, I get it. Amendments to the Constitution have to be Ratified by the 38 Required States, so it failed on the State level ... with Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Virginia.[18][19] (other states Resinded Ratification Kentucky, Tennessee, Idaho, South Dakota)

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[-] -1 points by DeathsHead1 (-111) 1 year ago

Ummm..are you an American citizen? If not:what is this "we" stuff?

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Stop Living off the Government Contracts. You love the money so much you can't see straight. Isn't the principal of dehumanizing the enemy Fascist to you. Look at Vietnam. Were they going to come over here to the USA with airstrikes, missles, or a navy? No. They couldn't do crap to the Continent of the USA.

So what do we do we call them Gooks, and we import tons of bombs, land mines, weapons ... just so we can start some sh*t.

[-] 0 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

Vietnam was about opium. French intelligence controlled it and American intelligence wanted it. So they created false intelligence about sinking a US ship in the Gulf of Tomkin. We went to war illegally on false pretexts and got control of opium production in the golden triangle. Same thing has happened in Afghanistan. The CIA created this whole Osama thing to drag the US into Afghan to control the poppy fields. Osama and Co are in North Warizistan and the US military is over in Helmund Dist fighting for control of the poppy fields. Look at the facts. That area outputs 97% of world opium production.

CIA was selling heroin they produced in Laos to soldiers in Vietnam. 30% or more of the US military in Vietnam were heroin addicts (more number of addicts than in the USA).

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

I agree. It seems fantastic. I haven't thought this out completely with the Golden Triangle opium production. The British Empire got Opium from India didn't it. I'm not sure when the production in the Golden Triange started and when the CIA or US Powers found out about it. Wikipedia says 1920s production kick up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Triangle_(Southeast_Asia)

Probably the CIA knew about it from the French, from NATO, from WWII... Money is power, Commodities are power. Banking is power.

I was simplistic in my response to Deathshead.

[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Lets also not forget about the 46 million that receive government assistance - are they considered "socalists"?

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well, do you want to cancel social security or what are you talking about? Do you want your parents to lose their assistance. Do you want invalids, diseased, and ill to be cut off.

How about families of Veterans that depend on the system? The veteran dies and socialism kicks in. Dependents get Free education sometimes. I think even today a veteran can give his education benefits to his son or daughter while he is living. Socialism. Free healthcare in Congress...that is socialism.

So what are you talking about?

[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Never said one word about "cancelling" anything - just added additional government expenses to what you already have listed.

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Well, the Revenue for the Trust programs is pretty robust. We have to break down the budget or ... break down the social payments ... or we really aren't saying much. We have to look at details. I don't know much about the food stamp program other than the name changed and i have some charts to show how it has grown after the FInancial Crisis. Tell you one thing the Job Training program has shrank. Job Training under department of labor is like the only one or two parts of the budget that shrank ... and it happened after the wars started... maybe to right at the time of the Financial Crisis. Now seems like Job Training could be improved and might eventually be run by someone that could work with industry to figure out where the job might be in 5 years... better than corporate welfare.

But also have to say... banks put us into FInancial Crisis, economy pulls back, bank loans tighten up, banks get real cautions about investing in manufacturing in the US or any new business expansion in a recession. But they caused the problem. Now there is little money invested in small businesses in the USA. Small business being the best strongest core of the US Economy.

Okay, we have a bunch of people that never work in the economy. many of them qualify for assistance. But women didn't work in the USA till like WWII. The work force was smaller. Women didn't make as much money as men and didn't really start careers in the USA till like 1960s... Today, may be the US workforce has shrank, wages ahve declined.... more people want to work though, so we should try to figure out whether to put up train barriers, train workers, better prepared kids, teach english & edcuate imigrants... what are we going to do?

May be change the banking structure. Have the treasury create small business loans. Our regulators train bankers and bank examiners ... what if all student loans and small business loans when to the Treasury.

What if we stopped borrowing money from Banks to pay our federal bills. We if we reduced activies at the Federal Reserve. We could save $500 Billion a year in interest paid to banks which is where I would project the Interest payment to be worth in a couple of years.

[-] 1 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

Women are taking all the jobs? If men only worked, there would be enough jobs? Let the women relax and sit at home, cook, be mothers?

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Merely stating the the size of the workforce has changed. Actually women are still making less money wage wise. So one strategy might be to fire male workers.

Remember in the USA, the most productive country in the world, we only value people that work .... or often times many people do. If you don't work, people don't really want to look at you in many places in the USA.

So, perhaps we might also say, wages have declined due to an increased workforce... also with 10 Million Immigrants.

And there fore we can conclude that a big government work program ... maybe in the spirit of FDR or Paul Krugman would make sense since we are not lending money to our small busiensses to stimulate the economy. Like the space program, like recycling, like hazardous waste management, like new organice farming techniques, like clean up of Storm Sandy Damage, like Bridges, highways, infrastructure progrmas, like alternaitve energy, alternative shipping, alternative trucking or autos propolsion, maybe hemp oil as an fuel for autos.... whatever.

[-] 1 points by EmergencyAlert (51) 1 year ago

How about going back to an industrial society? Men work, women stay home and educate/tutor the kids (and get paid for it) with help of the internet for content. No need for brick and mortar infra for schools. Take the education money and give it to the women, and hire the best educators to create internet content that everyone will benefit from. The quality of education should go up. It is the best of centralized and decentralized. Brainstorming here.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Oops, I guess you must have given away a secret, you got removed.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You are right no need for brick and mortar now.

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