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Forum Post: Wall Street hires violent union busting Pinkerton's to save them from OWS. History repeats itself

Posted 2 years ago on May 4, 2012, 4:17 p.m. EST by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/03/1088602/-Wall-Street-hires-violent-union-busting-Pinkerton-s-to-save-them-from-OWS-History-repeats-itself

"Meet the private security force the banksters have hired to oppress you, they're literally the same guys who used to beat up your great-grandparents when they began the American Labor movement over a century ago.

If you're not familiar with The Pinkertons, they were the Blackwater of the late 19th and early 20th century, an armed and often violent private security force for the Robber-Barons and industrialists of the Gilded Age used to keep striking workers in their place.

I shit you not, history repeats itself . . ."

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[-] 5 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

History really does repeat itself

[-] 3 points by caesari (5) 2 years ago

Why not call them what they are? Corporate Dogs.

[-] 3 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Weren't the Pinkertons involved in protecting the Robber-Barrons in the early 20th century in Pennsylvania in particular, where they bashed heads of the strikers. They were nationalized in part in the 1860s, and became the fore-runner of the US Secret Service. Alan Pinkerton although having a reputation of not being a very good guy, did recruit my great, great uncle Timothy Webster out of the NYPD in the late 1850s. Pinkerton, George McClellan, and Lincoln all worked for the same railroad co. in Illinois. Webster went on to uncover an assasination plot on Lincoln on his inaugural train ride, and to his credit Pinkerton gave Webster the credit for having done so. My g,g,uncle went on to become a spy for the North, however the South caught up with him, and despite Lincoln's plea for mercy to Jefferson Davis, he was hung in Richmond. All googable. But, all this was all before.....I hope... the Pinkerton Police turned into scum-bags that they were, and obviously still are. There's some personal history for you Xenu, eh?

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They were like blackwater is now. mercenary.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqM4tKPDlR8Mar 14, 2007 - 4 min - Uploaded by videonation The Nation's Jeremy Scahill describes the rise of Blackwater USA, the world's most powerful mercenary army.

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, I understand that. They may well have had a sordid history before and during the brief time that my g,g uncle was there too. I can accept that, even if I had found out that he was involved in some of it, as i am a firm believer in accuracy in history. I did find out that in my search several years ago that McClellan (who Lincoln canned as General of th Army of The Potomac later) was the chief executive of a railroad company in Illinois in the late 1850s, Lincoln was the counsel for that RR co., and Pinkerton (who was born in Scotland) was in charge of security. I do not know my g, g, uncle's involvement in anything nefarious in the short time he was there before a part of the Pinkerton police became nationalized, and became the fore-runner of the Secret Service. Of course, I would like to think that my dear gg uncle was not involved in anything nefarious before entering government service, but i do not know for sure. In the end though, he did give his life, as did his only son in the Batlle of Ripley Mississippi for what most people today consider a noble cause.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26801) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey Odin. You have some interesting history in your family. The Pinkerton's were an interesting group. If your g g uncle was anything like you - then I am sure he was likely only ever involved in doing good work.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Thanks, I hope that is true. This is all on my mom's side of the family, as my dad is from Sweden. Three summers ago while driving cross-country with one of my daughters, her to Seattle, me to Alaska, we visited a little town in southern Illinois called Onarga. Pinkerton had convinced my g, g, great uncle to move from the family's home in Princeton, NJ to Illinois. Anyway there in a sleepy little cemetery surrounded by corn fields lay three generations of my family, all named Timothy Webster. Timothy my g,g, uncle, the spy who was hung, his son who eventually died of gangrene in an Alabama prison camp after having been wounded in Mississippi, and my g, g, grandfather who had immigrated from England in the early 1830s, and died within weeks after arriving for a visit there. Pinkerton had promised Webster's wife that he would repatriate his body from Richmond to there. His wife eventually moved to Sacramento, CA though, and to my knowledge there is no more family there. Many in the family wanted to have all three of their bodies brought back to the historic Princeton Cemetery where some of my family are buried, including Webster's sister Mary Margerum. In this relatively small cemetery that has a real eclectic group of people in it lay Paul Robeson's parents, Aaron Burr, Grover Cleveland, and other luminaries, from all kinds of backgrounds, and walks of life. I strongly suspect that my g, g, grandmother is there too, but unfortunately some of the grave-stones are unreadable, and the records burned in a fire years ago.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

That's a blast from the past. Nice post!!!

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4784) 2 years ago

Everyone should see this post.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the British used to allow piracy of Spanish ships

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