Forum Post: vote out republicans!!
Posted 12 years ago on May 3, 2012, 4:10 p.m. EST by jamesh
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The most effective way to get rid of wall street is to vote out republicans. They take many more bribes than democrats. Republicans are dismantling civil rights for Americans for the benefit of corporations! Obama is at least trying to help people. Vote!
If you vote out the Republicans or the party some how collapses on itself then the Democrats would just get all the bribes. Break from the corporate wolves that run the Democratic party. The American public has been voting for these two crimminal gangs for over a hundred years and look what it has got us. Keep doing the same things and you will get the same results. It's time to think outside the box
yes it is definitely time to "think outside the box."
The most effective way to get rid of wall street power is to GET OUTSIDE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS AND END THE BRIBERY.
Thats the only way. The system at its core is corrupt. Yes one side may be more corrupt than the other but the bottom line is that they're all corrupt. Got to fix the problem at its core.
True enough. And fixing it at the core will take decades. In the meantime who do you really want appointing the next supreme court judges and the scores of federal judicial seats coming up? In the meantime, do you really want to see the end of the EPA, the slashing to food stamps and unemployment benefits, the destruction os medicaid - the entire social safety net - in order to fund the military? You really want to allow the one who actually defended Citizens United and declared that, yes, corporations are people to be the nation's executive. Before one cures the patient it is necessary to stem the bleeding, to stabilize him. WHo is more likely to do that, and who more likely to kill the patient 'cause he has no insurance?
the supreme court is 9 they get to appoint the president we are 300,000,000 besides, when willard gets rid of Obamacare and Medicaid we will get soylent green
We are not 300,000,000, if you're talking about OWS. we are a few thousand , maybe tens of thousands.
Ginsburg is about to retire. Her replacement (and likely one more this coming term) will be appointed by the next president. If, 10 years ago, there was only one more Democratic president appointed S.C. Justice, we would never had had Bush appointed for president: the decision was a 5/4 split, just like Citizens United, the anti Women Wallmart decision, the decision to allow strip searches for jaywalking. The entire federal court is about 55% conservative republitard judges. About 10-15% of those seats are up this coming term. WOuld you like to see even more right-wingers on the court, or would you prefer some actual progressives?
I really don't understand your "Soylent Green" comment. Are you being funny, sarcastic, happy about it, what? Because I don;t think it's at all funny that Romney, Cantor, Ryan, Boehner, etc, are trying to take away Medicaid, which is the only thing literally keeping me alive right now, along with millions of others or cut back food stamps by 33%, which is preventing satrvation for millions as well.
Please ask Obama to stop helping me, I can't afford too much more of his "help"
Petition the President to select Elizabeth Warren as keynote speaker at DNC Convention 2012 http://www.change.org/petitions/president-of-the-united-states-select-elizabeth-warren-as-keynote-speaker-dnc-convention-2012
great idea, have one liar speak for another liar.
"Obama is at least trying to help people."
Oh REALLY?
By signing NDAA 2012?
By signing HR347?
By signing HR3606?
By signing HR658?
By keeping Goldman Sachs alum in charge at the Treasury?
By keeping Gates in charge at the Pentagon after his election?
By saying what the Mediagopoly tells him to say?
http://veritasvirtualvengeance.com/2012/01/08/mediagopoly-the-megacorps-that-control-mainstream-media-and-much-more/
By doing what the Military Intelligence Complex tells him to do?
http://veritasvirtualvengeance.com/2012/01/21/occupy-australia-bushbama-trades-unearned-nobel-peace-prize-for-salesman-of-the-year-trophy-from-u-s-defense-contractors/
The Democratic and Republican parties answer to the same masters. Bush and Obama answer to the same masters. Obama and Romney answer to the same masters. There was no "Change" in 2008. And regardless of who wins the rigged election in November, there will be no change in 2012 unless WE make it happen. And I DON'T mean by voting in meaningless elections with predetermined outcomes!
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by keeping thosands of gm people working
And dumping on thousands more by signing three more free trade agreements and claiming mitt was a pioneer, even though it was Dems and Reps and Clinton that made it all possible,
he's just another shit head politician
This an excellent plan. I'm voting straight democrat. We need to remove the repugnant strangle hold that is hurting this country. I'm done with the repugnants along with their new found slimy Tea Bagger friends. The baggarts and repugs need a smack down. Let's do it!!! :D
The Puzzlered
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Pres Obama and dems passed fin reform (delayed and watered down by repubs) as a result the wall st money is going overwhelmingly to repubs.
Get rid of repubs and we can pressure dems to pass real fin reform and bring back glass steagal.
If by wall street you mean folks like Goldman and Citi, have you ever checked out the website open secrets? According to their statistics on campaign funding, the 2 I mentioned were considered a 'wash'...as in they gave to both parties. They were the only ones in top 20 or so. The top 10 was dominated by labor unions and I don't have to tell you where that money went!
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A
Lavor (working american families) give to Dems because Dems support working American families and your repubs support 1% plutocrat criminals who prey on the 99%.
All money out of politics! End citizens united. Public funding of all campaigns, Money isn't speech, I will believe corps are people when Texas executes one.
"They take many more bribes than democrats."
How would/could you possibly know this? Evidence please.
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Some friends and I began about two weeks ago talking to as many family members, coworkers and neighbors as possible. We have several dozen who have agreed to vote out all incumbents. They have also agreed to "talk it up" with their family members, co workers and neighbors. I hope some of you do the same. Maybe, if we're lucky, this idea will spread. Vote out All Incumbents!
So you want Romney in. Bad luck with that.
Not really but since both are bought and paid for corp stooges it wont matter. The point is no incumbent is relected. That would shake the halls of power like nothing before. Obama lies just as much as Romney, he's just better at it.
If no incumbent is elected, the only other one running who could win is Romney. And if you don;t think there is a difference I've got a bridge to sell you.
(By the way, 85% of all incumbents in Congress are expected to win again.)
Skippy needs to put that pipe down.
Skippy, listen up:
"Only my dead hand could possibly vote for Romney. And, what, we'll vote the incumbents out! Wow Skippy. That's like saying 3 out 4 eligible voters will actually vote in the general election this November. They talked about term limits twenty years, how did that work out? These things don't happen, and are only dreams of the pipe. Smoke some more weed and don't worry your self none about these politics. Skippy, it just makes you tense and mad. Just give it up and enjoy your weed!"
The Puzzler
let me ask you this....is Congress doing such a good job that 85% should be relected? I dont think so. I would rathe see a wholesale change in congress. I dont think anyone should be a Professional politician. Two terms and get out. Go spend time in the real world. Maybe after 10yrs let them run for something else.
That's different issue. I never said Congress did a good job, but simply told you what the projections are. There is an old truism about congress: Everybody hates congress, but loves their own congressman.
You are not going to change that reality in this election cycle
What's more, Considering that in terms of the presidential race, the incumbent is Obama, do you really think that the non-incumbent will be better? Or will he be so much worse that you'll look back on Obama with misty-eyed nostalgia after Romney and the Republicons get through destroying the country?
You may be right about public perception of congress. Your outlook on the presidential race seems a little narrow. Neither candidate is desirable. Obama is just as bad for our country as Romney. So why give either of them two terms???
Not narrow, just realistic. I agree that neither candidate is ideal, but to equate Romney with Obama is completely myopic, especially considering the issue of the Supreme Court nominations. Romney has already appointed Robert Bork (!) as his judicial appointment advisor. Obama has appointed Kagan and Sotomayor, both of whom have dissented for ever horrible rights-abusing, anti-democracy ruling the right wing of the court has made.
The republicons in congress have introduced legislation to slash food stamps by 33%, kill Medicaid, privatize Social Security ( including disablitity) eliminate the EPA, the FDA, the Centers for Disease Control , the National Institutes of Health, The NEA, gut the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act, roll back gas mileage requirements for cars and trucks, Stop all green energy investment, open wildlife refuges to oil drilling, push Fracking for natural gas, and introduced 216 separate pieces of legislation that would specifically hurt Women.
Has Obama done any of that? Nope.
So although I agree that neither candidate who can actually win is what we would really like to see, they are not equivalent. Not by a long shot. Obama may be throwing rocks at america, But Romney, with the ability to pass Republican legislation, would be throwing thousand pound bombs.
Only the Left is idealistic enough to reject Obama, but the right votes in lock step and in real numbers. So by splitting the vote on the left, the the extreme psychotic right (and that's all that remains in the republitard party) it is that much more like to win and provide desperate pain to the country the likes of which we have not seen , ever.
I would like to refer you to my other reply.
Refuse Mittens any term, that is a must. Other then that present an alternative to Obama and I am sure there will be support.
Its obvious we will be stuck with one of these lying, bought and paid for corp stooges, but lets not give either one two terms. Wall Street, GE, BoA, and Goldman Sachs own Obama just as Wall Street, Chase and Koch Bros own Romney. They are both bad, but each would be worse with two terms.
That means, by default, you endorse Romney, who is not the incumbent.
I have just listed a small sample of the republicon agenda. Did you ignore it entirely? Or is it that you simply don't care what the fuck they'll do, that principle is more important that the reality of the enormous harm that will occur to tens, if not hundreds of millions of people if we implement your plan?
"emormous harm that will occur" will happen with either of these two Clowns. If Obama gets a second term it will be even worse than he is now. Do you want more drone attacks killing children in thier beds? Obama averages one drone attack every 4 days. Will he expand Gitmo? He dang sure didnt close it. On the ecconomic side, what more can he give GE? They pay zero taxes now and he is looking to give them more? C'mon, open your eyes! Both are bad, but either would be far worse with a Second term! Vote out ALL Incumbents.
Both are bad, but only one is horrendous beyond belief.
Open YOU eyes.
You clearly didn't notice, but Obama has been trying desperately to close Gitmo, not expand it, since the day he took office. The republican congress has passed laws making that impossible. Or did you miss the laws they passed?
Look at Romeny's declared agenda. Do you even know who Robert Bork Is????
Open YOUR eyes.
On the economic side, who has vowed to destroy all of the social safety net, and who has already ex[anded it? Look at BOTH records, not juist one.
Open YOUR eyes.
If Mittens gets in, it will make Obama look like a cute puppy dog by comparison. Do you eve n BEGIN to understand what he will do to the COURTS? Do you really think that has no IMPACT?
You are very naive, and definitely uninformed if you think there is no difference.
I agree. If we want to return to trickle down by giving the RICH even more tax cuts and flush the middle class down their gold plated toilets, then, yeah, vote repugnant. Otherwise elect Obama. Then demand he start fixing our horrible income equality problem. The Repugnants helped cause this problem and they won't fix it. They still believe in trickle down. Ask one.
Tax cuts to the rich has not spawned a robust economy, Bush tried this.
The D's extended the bush tax cuts in 2010 when they had the house, senate, & WH in a lame duck session. What makes you think they won't do it again?
Senate Democrats Weigh Vote Plans on Extending Bush Cuts - April 20, 2012
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-19/senate-democrats-consider-timing-of-votes-on-bush-tax-cuts
Because the dems only helped extend it because they were strong-armed by Tea Party who took over the GOP. Do you recall that, or are just parroting Sean Hannity's talking points?
When Obama gets voted back into office he will do it. Romdee shall as hell ain't!
ah, that is some funny shit...."Strong armed by the tea"
Strong armed by those pathetic losers?!! Are you kidding me? If that is the case, then he is too weak to lead. Or hes a sell out.
either way, he's garbage.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/09/2888901/president-barack-obama-asks-congress.html
In case maybe you didn't notice, the house is completely controlled by the GOP and many in their ranks are clearly in the extremist TP persuasion.
How else, or why do believe, they would vote to repeal Obamacare 33 times. Once or twice maybe, but 33 times. Didn't Einstein say trying the same thing over and over again but getting the same results is very much like the definition of INSANITY.
So, how do you defend your weak minded GOP friends who spend their time in congress wasting it. Did they get a jobs bill going? No they didn't. Why? Because they rather waste time voting down Obamacare perpetually.
So now defend your GOP garbage. Tell me how the GOP is creating JOBS. Please tell me.
The GOP is a useless bunch of idiots, as proven by their 33 times voting on Obamacare knowing damn well the SEnate is controlled by Dems. Pure idiocy. Why would I defend a bunch of criminals?
I must say, very good point.
And I will add:
Why would ANYONE defend a bunch of criminals?
Personally, I think it must start with ignorance. Ignorance is easiest most common way people generally side-step the truth.
Come Together NOW
People defend each of these parties because the thought that this nation may be horribly corrupted is something they are not comfortable with and goes against everything they have ever been told about it.
Well, as long as I can remember, growing up as a teenager during Nixon's presidency, corruption was no more than the status quo. War was a way of life and I could get some too when I got older. Many discussions with my friends at parties about MAD (mutual assured destruction) and when we may think the dogs of war will be unleased for the big finale. We decided we would throw a twenty minute party before the first nukes start hitting. :D
I think the deal is it is corrupt and pretty much has always been like this since the grand experiment started. Anyone who has thought otherwise would be using their ignorance to pretend it just ain't so.
Last, I checked, the world is a mess. History shows us that this is nothing new.
Agree?
Come Together NOW
No I totally agree. Unfortuntately, I think the people being extrememly apathetic is fairly typical too.
Do you think the level of apathy is greater these days?
Yes, I do. People are either polarized, or for those who get troubled by all the brutalizing and demeaning, they just go towards Ignorance is bliss and turn it off. Unfortunately, and sadly, the truth gets left in limbo somewhere, and ignoring the truth can be very perilous.
I have a fire inside myself for seeking truth. Thomas Jefferson is one of my stepping stones as I have walked through this life getting everything I can from it. I have refined my own technic for finding truth and as time has gone by I have evolved. The big thing, find truth for your self, don't borrow, find it on your own. Guidance is fine, but you do the work. First, know how to recognize it. One word. Evidence. Or don't bother, your speculating.
In the end, forget about me and everyone. It's about you. You came to the earth. You must find out why. If you anything like me, you won't settle for delusion. You'll want the truth, the real knowable, provable truth. It's worth it. I have lived it with no regrets.
Good Luck My Cosmic Traveler!
Come Together NOW
Word. Same to you.
If you remember correctly, it was BO's idea, and he traded extending unemployment benefits for the 99%'ers for one year, in exchange for extending the bush tax cuts for TWO!! This happened in a lame duck session (in Dec) with the D's in control, and the teas weren't even in power yet. Your entitled to your own opinions; but not your own facts. BTW - I've been a D for 40+ years until lately ....... so you know what you can do with your labels.
And clearly democrats do not support "trickle-down" and the myth of the job creators like the GOP crowd does in earnest.
DO YOU support the trickle down theory? Do you want to give even more tax cuts to Rich because, after their the real Job Creators, just like Bush?
Please answer those questions. I think they lie at the heart of the difference between DEM or REP. Don't you?
Come Together NOW
Dems caved into repubs who refused to extend middle class tax cuts unless their 1% puppet master kept their Bush tax cuts.
Thats how it happened then, and that is what your republican plutocrat tools are tryin to do again now.
"caved in"....
I love it how you Dems and Reps are desperately trying to justify why your parties are so corrupted.
Just cant quite come to the realization that you have been duped.
What about the current battle over taxes.? Are you unaware of which party is pushing for tax cuts for the 1%, and which one is pushing for middle class.?
Do you pretend the distinction doesn't exist to give your repubs a pass?
Who voted for the Buffett rule, who voted against? Do you know will you say? Or will you say Buffet rule doesn't matter (repub talkin point) 'cause it's so little money?
Does the Ryan budget support new 1% tax cuts? What party is he from? Which party voted against it?
Both parties have problem but one has the progressive position on taxes.
Don't twist that reality. Don't confuse people with lies.
Peace
Your party just asked for a one year extension on the tax cuts, after they signed on for 4 more years of it. You are being played, dummy. Let me know when Democrats stop accepting corporate donations, then I may take them seriously.
All money out of politics.! public funding for campaigns.
Dems are fighting to continue middle class tax cuts. Dems have reduced middle class tax bill by an average of $4k per year.
Repubs are threatening to let middle class taxes cuts expire unless their 1% plutocrats puppet masters retain their tax cuts. It's obscene, unfair, and clearly shows who works for the 1% plutocrats who prey on the 99%!
Dems took wall st money and passed the fin reform that wall st hates. Repubs took wall st money and have watered down, obstructed, delayed implementation of the bill.
Repubs took the money and have pledged to cut fin regulations. Dems took the money and have continued fighting repubs to get more fin regulations.
Thats the difference that you ignore because you are a partisan republican.
Im middle class. My taxes are up. They go up regardless of who has control of the Senate, House or POTUS.
Are you really telling me that since Obama took office, middle class americans, with the same job and no promotoins, are making $333.00 more a month?
Everyone is making $85 more now than they were in 08?
You pretend there hasn't been tax cuts for middleclass Americans because you are a partisan republican.
Pres Obama has also cut taxes 19 times for small business. More to come if repubs stop filibustering and obstructing everything.
Ok, kag, what was the amount of taxes taken out of your paycheck in 07 and what is it now?
Im going to guess its about the same.
Do you have any experiences or numbers to back any of this crap up at all?!!
Or do you just have talking points and media garbage?
Small business is not less taxed either. Get out from in front of the tv and go out and ask em.
I left the job market almost 9 years ago after being outsourced for the 3rd time. I make my money since then with investments and rental income.
I recognized long ago that salaried workers get screwed by your conservative policies. As a result I am much better off in terms of taxes as an independent businessman.
LMFAO
But I know the tax situation because I follow politics boss. And so I can recognize a partisan republican by his talkin points. (and his smell)
You smell.
"investments and rental income"
and you dont mind seeing 100s of deaths due to corporate wars.
Keep squealing on yourself dude, you are doing a good job of it. Maybe take some more poli sci classes while you're at it.
Blah Blah Blah.
You are a republican partisan whose only purpose here is to get the OWS progressives to give up their right to vote.
End the drone attacks
You have no cflue what you are talking about. I manage about 50 units on the side, and you are flat out lying if you say your taxes are down, unless you are talking about the ones that are in relationship to the property value. You should no better than this, unless you are full of shit.
Dont lump me into your conservative bullshit. My votes are always on the liberal side, because I think that people should have the power to live their personal lives as they want.
You are so full of crap, but that isnt the worst part. With as much as you buy into media talking points, Im suprised you havent been recruited to run for a D or R position yet.
Your a republican plant, "a rebel spy and traitor"-.DV
LMFAO.
Squeal Piggie piggie.
If this is Obama "trying" then he is too weak to lead.
Its not about Republicans or Democrats, folks. This illusion of Democracy was one of the worst things to have happen to us. Now, 51% can impose their will on the other 49%. The constitution was intended for a Republic in which even 99% can't impose their will on the other 1%.
We need to get rid of the Federal Reserve, owned by private bankers, and take over our country again. Democracy won't help us now...it is just used to divide us into this bi-partisan B.S.! Divide and conquer is one of the oldest strategies and it is still being used today.
Lets make our own money again and become a republic and stop letting the bankers divide us. If you do your homework, you can not deny that governments are controlled by the banks. Get rid of the banks and Wall Street won't exist anymore. Restore our Republic and the constitution (natural laws) and this commerce-based legal regime created by the banks will not exist...nor will Republicans or Democrats.
obama was backed by wall street. the person barry is helping is himself and payback to his donors.
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OH yea the Democrats are saints! You guys crack me up. Go out and get some real life experience before you try and tell the rest of us how things should run and what's going to work.
No, the dems aren't saintly but at least they act to do something for the middle class whereas the reps do nothing but obstruct in Washington. At the state level, the reps are busting the unions and turning back the clock on women's rights. They are doing something in the states but it isn't about jobs like they promised.
Oh yeah, we do know and we see what's going on.
I mean, go back to your swamp, fuck your sister, and whatever else you people like to do between crocodile lynchings. Most people here are far more accomplished than your IQ would ever allow you to be, and in things a fucktard like you can't even spell.
What an attitude you have! The bright future of America. You are just what we need sir to advance our humanity to the next level. I seriously doubt, by the way, that you with that astounding intelligence of yours could even finish a day doing what I have been doing for the last 30 years.
Yes! One party rule! THEN things will be set right!
That may be the dumbest post I have ever seen.
"Obama is at least trying to help people"
Dumb ass Leftist Drone say what?
You're serious? You must have been living under a rock for the last 3 to 4 yrs cause a post like this demonstrates a complete lack of comprehension,experience and knowledge.
For your further edification "hope and change" has become "hype and blame". Get it together fool.
Republican talking points and insults.
You are clearly anti democratic. I guess you don't support OWS? Please help your fellow Americans. We are struggling under the tyranny of the 1%. If we can get help to the middle class, then economic growth will take off and all americans will do well not just the 1%. Support the 99%
You are "struggling under the tyranny" of your own Leftist ideology.
Moron, or troll? You be the judge.
Hmmm,....you're a moron troll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ege_RBhh37A&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuqzGHbt5Rc
Yes, we all know already: Republicons are allergic to the truth.
OMG that was funny!
I think we should give his idea a chance. vote out republicans!. c'mon why not? It's worth a try. support ows. vote out republicans. .
I'm all for voting out Republicans, every goddamn last one of them! That's just where we need to START!
Only if we can out all the Democrats at the same time and vote in Independents. You guys have no idea what it is you are asking for and what it is you would receive.
You are right about that