Forum Post: vote for the people who consistantly lie in their ads or the people who hide their financial records?
Posted 12 years ago on July 27, 2012, 6:33 p.m. EST by bensdad
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since when are lies & lack of transparency bad?
lets, in stead, vote for the people who suppress the votes of the 99%
[Check out the Jim Greer voter suppression deposition from Florida]
OR
lies are bad. Lying is one of the many reasons I hate Mitt Romney. Lying and lack of transparency is a tool of the 1% and a majority of politicians.
Lying and lack of transparency is one of the reasons the bullshit continues. Like when they say they're not killing innocent people in foreign countries and that they're working for peace while they bomb multiple countries. A lot of people believe what their politicians tell them.
Also not showing your tax records is LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND LYING
There are more than the 2 failed option in 2012. Believe it or not Bush era propaganda is false. Bush once said "If you're not with us, you're with the enemy."
You can indeed oppose both the enemy and Bush.
Just like you can oppose both Romney and Obama.
I dont want my liver removed
I dont want my kidney removed
but I have the courage to make a choice
do you?
I have the courage not to believe in propaganda provided by money in politics.
I will never vote for anyone that has a pro-war agenda.
Look at your ballot in November. There will be more than 2 options to vote for as president.
Don't you realize what that bensdad thing is?
As I've pointed out to Romney supporters, when they defend their candidate for not releasing his tax returns by attacking Obama's failed promises and obvious lies, honesty is not quid pro quo. A crook is a crook, and both major candidates are crooks.
Do you have the courage to vote for the best ELECTABLE candidate?
or is it just more fun to call people crooks?
"Do you have the courage to vote for the best ELECTABLE crook? or is it just more fun to call people crooks?"
Apathetic people are ruining this country...
john boehner is apathetic?
eric cantor is apathetic?
paul ryan is apathetic?
louis gomert is apathetic?
tell their employers - david & charlie - so they work harder to stop America's prgress!
I said ruining, not running.
I think you might be right. Afterall, Pelosi/Reid/Wassermannshultz is SO caring about the Amerikan people...
I don't enjoy calling people, especially the representatives or our nation, crooks at all, but I won't deny the facts either. So, you're saying we should settle for the status quo, because Obama is the candidate most favorable to our views. That's fine, but then there isn't any real way of ever breaking out of the current situation, and Marx was right, the oppressors will continue to exploit the working class, until the latter have no way out but revolution.
Help us do what 80% of Americans want - get money out of politics
By voting for the same people who accept that money? We need to vote outside the box, instead of the same two boxes we have been voting for the last 40 years.
david & charles want YOU to vote outside the box
To continue your sentence, "So Romney will win". Exactly what the gang leaders (party leaders) on both sides want us to believe. The republicans use the identical words to keep their members voting republican.
In this respect, both parties are the same. Using fear to keep their power intact. Without your membership in "their" party, you become powerful and they become weak. Decide for yourself. A community living under the tyranny of two street gangs, or one under the authority of the citizens!
are there ANY things that would have been done better in the last thtree years by willard?
ANYTHING?
You know I don't support Romney. Why can't you see anything besides the two parties? Independents, those people not affiliated with any party are more numerous than either the Dems or Reps with about 40%. We are the other (non)party, and we are growing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-independent-voters/2012/05/17/gIQAZmGyWU_story.html
I bet strengthening the Patriot Act would have been a tie. Obama set the bar high with that one.
Well, the Supreme Court struck that one down. They, too, are bought and paid for. The whole framework of our current system is askew. All candidates, who gather a minimum amount of signatures for each level of office, should have equal, publicly paid media space. No private campaign contributions or donations should be allowed.
Recalls should be quick and easy for any political-office holder, and the judiciary should be handled in exactly the same way. None of the lifetime term nonsense. That may have been fine when average life-expectancy was 45, but justices now sit on the court until they literally wither away, completely out of touch with mainstream America.
I'd love to recall CROOKS like scalia & thomas
but I believe in reality
it will NEVER happen
what CAN happen is what 80% of Americans already say they want
overturn citizens united
poll data & full documentation &
35 videos including Lessig, Sanders, Chomsky, Feingold, Hartmann, Warren
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
government programs cost money
I said get money ( that is not the peoples' ) out of politics
Overturn Citizens United & corporate personhood
what 80% want
http://corporationsarenotpeople.webuda.com
yes by the poll that asked the question that politicians have been pushing as a problem since before I was born
You might check out Rocky Anderson. His views are the closest to Occupy's I've seen, much closer than Obama.
http://www.voterocky.org/solutions
I may agree with Anderson very solidly.
I agree very solidly with Lincoln, Washington, FDR, and Elizabeth Warren
voting for any of these FIVE will have exactly the same effect
It will make me feel good - and do nothing for America
Because the majority choose the lesser evil, they guarantee evil will rule! And you are among the majority with the power to choose good for once. But the fear that the majority has been taught to believe prevents them from breaking out.
Like two groups of prisoners in two separate cells. Both have the key, but are afraid to use it.
Bad analogy. The 2 parties control the electoral process. How do you propose we get enough people to Vote into power the non 2 party politicians in enough numbers (50 senators, 235 House reps) that they will change the process?
What does a cell (party) and key (?) have to do with that?
Parties are an easy issue -
but they are not THE issue
So what if Warren, Whitehose, Grayson, Clyburn are D
They are great representatives
True 'dat!
And does Bernie Sanders caucus/vote with Dems.?
There's a measure!
How about Kucinich? Do we like him?
Thanks. I'll check it out.
I helping to try to get Rocky a ballor spot in Florida.
Its amazing the corrupted things these two parties have colluded in to keep outsiders from having a voice.
Hope he gets on the ballot. Rocky isn't even listed properly on Wikipedia. His name is there, but no picture. If someone was looking for potential alternatives they would likely overlook him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012
Just goes to show choices we have here in the U.S.A..
Should I drink the poison, or should I drink some poison?
Are you a born-again who will only vote for anti-choice people
because your born-again church told you to?
Are you a gun nut who will only vote for pro-gun people
because your nra church told you to?
Are you a homophobet who will only vote for hetero people
because your church told you to?
I would suggest NOT being part of the OWS religion.
Don't vote for the people that OWS tell you to vote for.
Don't vote for the people who will make you feel better.
Vote for the people who will make America better.
Some people may find the choice difficult, all candidates
have flaws - but one is ALWAYS BETTER FOR AMERICA.
I'll vote for Obama.
I was wondering how you justify voting for either of the lying idiots running.
I could write a thousand words but since neither is an "idiot" - I will simply answer in two letters GM
Oh, okay, I get it now, you support O-bomb-ya because you are selfish and don't want to have to work for Ford.
What about my workplace, which has been gutted because of his and the Republicans disasterous, theiving policies?
HOW is your workplace gutted?
Two words: incandescent bulbs.
Yes, I'm sure none of your democrat masters ever lie. Stop being a slave.
Have you ever noticed how some people say "they lie"
"they steal" no politician is totally honest
but one electable candidate is always better than the other
and THAT is the truth
but you can't handle the truth
PROVE ME WRONG
since the beginning
its an interesting point about saying someones private information is now used against them for not disclosing whether they are successful or not. A. Shall we vote for a man who is successful or B. Shall we vote for a man who isnt succesful? I say the latter could be better, let me explain why. Take a person who has tried and failed, i believe his eyes will be opened to what is truly wrong with the lack of "small business loans" that need to be 100% collateralized, or the lack of financing available for large contracts that are awarded to small business but again there lacks funding in the industry, or even if that small business, manages to get funding thru an ira withdrawal, the early withdrawal penalty shuts down the finance of that small business. Now, in comparison if Mitt Romney had a silver spoon in his mouth, and alot of financial backing, of course he is going to be more successful, but does that mean he represents the majority of us who are still struggling? HELL NO, thats why I prefer one who failed in business over one who succeeded.
willard's "success" has nothing to do with it
we elected and re-elected multimilionaires FDR Reagan JFK, etc. willards father released 12 years
WHY WONT HE RELEASE 5-10 YEARS
how can his $6,000 a year IRA grow to $50,000,000?
Are there years when his 15% rate is high
maybe he paid no tax
transparency - and even more importantly HONESTY
is the foundation of OWS
gordon gekko, alec, david, chales, sheldon
are the foundations of willard
Well done, again, bensdad.
Vote for the people who lie in their ads or hide their financial info!!!!! That would be both parties (dems / repubs)