Forum Post: Violent movies are what really caused so much death and injury at Aurora Co ?
Posted 12 years ago on July 22, 2012, 3:18 p.m. EST by SteveKJR
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Everyone out there after listining to the news media all of a sudden think more gun regulations are the answer. I feel there is a deeper underlying problem and it not only involves him but a lot of other people in our society.
I'm just curious, where did this person who killed and shot at everyone get ideas as to how to do it?
No one in the news media ever thought to ask that question all they talk about is more gun control - but I'll guarentee you, he didn't get his ideas from the NRA nor any of the places where he bought his firearms and ammuniton.
Did he think it up himself - I don't think so. What he did came from the continuous watching of the violent movies that everyone is so "excited about watching" this movie included, and he took it to the exterme.
The only thing that gets the younger generation aroused today when it comes to going to the movie, is a movie with outstanding graphics, people getting blown away and the techniques on how to dispatch not only one person, but multiple people That is the underlying theme of all the violent movies out there. .
It all comes down to the violence being generated by the Motion Picture Industry and that is what most of the younger genration like to watch.
Did the NRA show this person how to boobytrap his room using everyday household chemicals, trip wires along with making up chemical tear gas cannisters - I don't think so.
This is where the problem lies, it doesn't lie with more gun control.
Think about it - how many violent movies have you watched over the past 5 or 10 years that got you excited.
His method was not something that a person would normally think of using unless they have been immersed into continually watching violent movies.
It's not the gun laws that need to be changed it is the Motion Picture Industry and more restrictions need to be imposed on them to stop putting all these violent movies out to the general public.
All it takes is one person like this one in Aurora to go off the deep end and he has at his disposal a multitude of learned methods from watching the violent movies to be able to mass murder people.
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Where's the evidence that this guy even continuous watched violent movies to support your entire premise? If so, why didn't this occur at "Savages" then? It's not the violent movie that made this guy select batman, it was the potential attendance and over hype given the film for months. Doesn't take a rocket scientist or a neuroscientist to figure out THAT connection. As to his motive: murder. Crazy as batshit warped thinking made this person do this, not the prevalence of "violent movies".
Oh, so this is just some shit head who got it into his mind that he wants to kill a few people - no motive behind it is there.
Well then why does he continue to believe as the police reported that he still believes he is the "Joker".
Explain that if you can.
Obviously he is crazy.
As the recent reports indicate, just a mediocre student who failed, then apparently cracked. Nothing to do with movies.
Well then, why did he think he was the "Joker". Is not the "Joker" in a movie?
Bozo the Clown was on TV with red hair. Wanna blame children's television, too? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Joker have green hair? He was obviously not THAT affected by The Joker given his lack of attention to detail and other than picking the sequel to terrorize. You can draw unrelated similarities all day long.
The guy's a psycho - haven't you been following the news about him?
Sure, and the news haven't said one thing about him being affected by movies. Just an unstable guy who couldn't pass his orals.
Of course you're right; our culture of violence nurtures people like Holmes; makes them believe that violence will somehow lead to the American Valhalla, which is the front-row seat at the UFC match.
hchc squarely addresses the issue when he says, "We are 'Culturally Bankrupt...'"
We are nation adrift clinging to pathetic motion pictures, fight matches, images of destruction and death as if they will lead us to resurrection. If you don't like the other person, force him or her into submission.
This particularity true of young people.
So, do you think we need "more regulations" when it comes to movies being presented to the younger generation?
No, regulations aren't the way to accomplish a cultural reformation; that requires education and a value system that prizes peaceful resolution over force; the latter is the way of our country.
Can't do it; the Jews own Hollywood. What we need is better policing and much more fierce enforcement. Holmes should die 13+1 deaths and then left for public display; the public should not be charged with burying him.
We already have the highest incarceration rate of any nation in the world. Stuffing the prisons full of more and more people accomplishes little. We need to concentrate on cultural transformation.
Genetic reprogramming? Cool.
porkie is not kosher.
Many recent mass shooting incidents are linked to a class of drugs called SSRI's.Perpetrators who apparently were taking these drugs include the Virginia Tech gunman,the late Phil Hartman's wife Brie Hartman,the Colombine student gunkids,the military base blastin' muslim psychiatrist and the active duty serviceman who massacred the villagers in Afganistan.He was on another recently developed drug to prevent or counteract the effects of malaria.The links in these types of cases to pharmaceutical drugs is either reported early on and then all mention of the link ceases,or the link to pharmaceutical drugs is not included in news reports at all.
I think you said it at the end of this post. He went "off the deep end".
Period. Not everyone who experiences violence in films, video games, books, life resorts to it so to blame films (alone) is probably not going to address the mass killings issue.
If he went crazy then we should look at how we manage mentally ill people. The dr he was seeing informed someone at the school & maybe police. Thats probably a reasonable flag to check out if he is buying excessive weaponry.
But regardless of this isolated incident of probable insanity we MUST look at reasonable gun control. Closing the gunshow/private sales loopholes, banning automatic weapons and perhaps some other ideas.
But in regards to why we have so much gun violence in America I submit it has most to do with fear. Fear that immigrants are taking our jobs, fear that black people are coming to get us, fear that liberals are using the govt to take our hard earned money to give to lazy good for nothing poor people. Who creates that fear.?
Minimizing that poisonous fear can help.
Peace
I completely understand your line of thinking. Yet, It's ironic that people believe it is only violent movies that contribute to this type of madness. Nor are movies the only catalyst to this type of behavior. I would like one person, just one, to demonstrate where violence has not permeated every part of our lives in the media, our daily activities, or our children's lives, games, play guns, you name it. I would like just one person to show me I am mistaken...and I will be happy to agree that it is only movies. Remember, our school text books, talk of war, and the justification of murder and annihilation of men, women and children by man against man as he brilliantly creates new existing nations and societies of "civilized" human beings....now.....how oxymoronic is that? This is a violent world and has been since the dawn of mankind. Who is to blame in reality? WE ARE...
Here's some proof to discount what you say. As I stated in a previous post when I was growing up never had someone come into the classroom with a semi and kill people. And when I was growing up we never encountered the violence that todays youth is exposed to.
http://www.ehow.com/facts_7589992_exposure-violence-media-affected-society.html
http://www.ehow.com/info_8198280_exposure-levels-aggression-violence-youth.html
Here are some statistics
http://www.familyfirstaid.org/youth-violence.html
National Survey by the DOJ
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/227744.pdf
If you want more info on this subject I can provide you with lots more.
Statistics mean nothing to me. I am well aware of the violence of this country so please...don't treat me like a child, or as if I am naiive, or that I arrived from another planet just yesterday. Look and see what most of the nation has seen since its inception...google Tulsa Riots, google KKK hangings in the south, google, gang violence in LA, google drive by shootings during the bootleggers era in the 20's and 30's, google Muholland falls, google annihilation of the Indians, google the spanish american war, google violence in America from 1200 AD until now. I have stated before and I will state again, I am a realist...I do not bury my head in the sand and even before TV, computers, or any of that there has been nothing but VIOLENCE IN THIS LAND and across the globe! So blame it on movies if you want, blame it on TV. I blame it on the blood on the hands of men and women.....period. We are an animalistic society....so just face it! It has reached an all new level because no one wants to face this reality about ourselves, themselves!
You still haven't explained to me why this kind of violence we are seeing today in classrooms and colleges along with public places didn't happen in the 60's, 70's nor the 80's.
Why has anything changed (or has it really...only the players and places I am sure) under the sun into what it is today?
Perhaps it is crack, perhaps it is meth, perhaps it is prescription drugs, perhaps it is all those whose nations having been lost with His-story and don't know where to find themselves....Perhaps it is a generation of Adults that just didn't give a damn because material things, and keeping up with the Jones-es was the norm and F...the rest! Perhaps it is the fathers of all races who abandoned their young to pursue their own personal avarice, perhaps it is the mothers who would rather be porn stars, drug addicts, movie stars, or corporate CEO's that have abandoned their youngsters also. After all, what glory is there in being a regular, loving Mom and Dad in this society? Perhaps it is this and perhaps it is that, perhaps it is the politicians, perhaps it is the needed CHANGING OF THE GUARD... who the hell really knows for sure. Yet, I do know for certain that Mother Earth ain't waiting around for us to straighten up and fly right. She is making her own changes within and without all the time.. So how many can handle that, or how many are willing to face that reality, or the actually of this destruction of mankind. I mean, who really gives a damn?
We truly do know why and anyone with half a brain knows why also...as well as you too, but as always, scapegoats, finger pointing, etc! The question now is...what is the real, honest to goodness and truthful solution to this problem?
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Just imagine the carnage if he had been able to obtain cupcakes? Fortunately, cupcakes are a controlled dangerous substance.
What a bogus opinion you have.
The government is occupying foreign lands and blowing up children in Pakistan yet the movies are to blame for violence in culture.
Many violent movies are based on war and the concept of war.
Murder has existed since way before television.
I don't ever remember young people gunning down students in high school, movie theathers, or on college campus when I was growing up.
Maybe it's because the society back then was more respectful of others.
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Well maybe you should just google school shooting and type in different years.
I love wikipedia
July 4, 1940: Valhalla, New York Angered by the refusal of his daughter, Melba, 15 years old, to leave a boarding school and return to his home, Joseph Moshell, 47, visited the school and shot and killed the girl.
September 12, 1940: Uniontown, Pennsylvania, 29-year-old teacher Carolyn Dellamea is shot to death inside her third grade classroom by 35-year-old William Kuhns. Kuhns then shot himself in the chest in a failed suicide attempt. Kuhns had reportedly been courting Dellamea for over a year but the relationship was ended when Dellamea discovered that Kuhns was already married.
October 2, 1942: New York City, New York “Erwin Goodman, 36-year-old mathematics teacher of William J. Gaynor Junior High School, was shot and killed in the school corridor by a youth...
February 23, 1943: Port Chester, NY Harry Wyman, 13-year-old, shot himself dead at the Harvey School, a boys’ preparatory school.
June 26, 1946: Brooklyn, New York A 15-year-old schoolboy who balked at turning over his pocket money to a gang of seven youths was shot in the chest at 11:30 A.M. in the basement of the Public School 147 annex of the Brooklyn High School for Automotive Trades.
November 24, 1946: New York City A 13-year-old student at St. Benedict’s Parochial School, shot and fatally wounded himself while sitting in an audience watching a school play.
December 24, 1948: New York City A 14-year-old boy was wounded fatally by an accidental shot from the .22-caliber rifle of a fellow-student … the youth was shot in the head when he chanced into range where Robert Ross, 17, of Brooklyn, was shooting at a target near a lake on the school property. March 11, 1949: New York City A 16-year-old student at Stuyvesant High School was accidentally shot in the arm by a fellow student who was ‘showing off’ with a pistol in a classroom.
November 13, 1949: Columbus, Ohio, Ohio State University freshman James Heer grabbed a .45 caliber handgun from the room of a Delta Tau Delta fraternity brother and shot and killed his fraternity brother Jack McKeown, 21, an Ohio State senior. [edit]1950s
July 22, 1950: New York City, New York A 16-year-old boy was shot in the wrist and abdomen at the Public School 141 dance… during an argument with a former classmate.
November 27, 1951: New York City, New York David Brooks, a 15-year-old student, was fatally shot as fellow-pupils looked on in a grade school.
April 9, 1952: New York City, New York A 15-year-old boarding-school student shot a dean rather than relinquish pin-up pictures of girls in bathing suits.
July 14, 1952: New York City, New York Bayard Peakes walked in to the offices of the American Physical Society at Columbia University and shot and killed secretary Eileen Fahey with a .22 caliber pistol. Peakes was reportedly upset that the APS had rejected a pamphlet he had written. September 3, 1952: in Lawrenceville, Illinois After 25-year-old Georgine Lyon ended her engagement with Charles Petrach, Petrach shot and killed Lyon in a classroom at Lawrenceville High School where she worked as a librarian.
November 20, 1952: New York City, New York “Rear Admiral E. E. Herrmann, 56 years old, superintendent of the Naval Post-Graduate School, was found dead in his office with a bullet in his head. A service revolver was found by his side.
October 2, 1953: Chicago, Illinois 14-year-old Patrick Colletta was shot to death by 14-year-old Bernice Turner in a classroom of Kelly High School in Chicago. It was reported that after Turner refused to date Colletta he handed her the gun and dared her to pull the trigger, telling her that the gun was “only a toy.” A coroner’s jury later ruled that the shooting was an accident.
October 8, 1953: New York City, New York Larry Licitra, 17-year-old student at the Machine and Metal Trades High School, was shot and slightly wounded in the right shoulder in the lobby of the school while inspecting a handmade pistol owned by one of several students.
May 15, 1954: Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Putnam Davis Jr. was shot and killed during a fraternity house carnival at the Phi Delta Theta house at the University of North Carolina. William Joyner and Allen Long were shot and wounded during the exchange of gunfire in their fraternity bedroom. The incident took place after an all-night beer party. Mr. Long reported to the police that, while the three were drinking beer at 7 a.m., Davis pulled out a gun and started shooting with a gun he had obtained from the car of a former roommate.
and more
January 11, 1955: Swarthmore, Pennsylvania After some of his dorm mates urinated on his mattress Bob Bechtel, a 20-year-old student at Swarthmore College, returned to his dorm with a shotgun and used it to shoot and kill fellow student Holmes Strozier.
May 4, 1956: in Prince George's County, Maryland, 15-year-old student Billy Prevatte fatally shot one teacher and injured two others at Maryland Park Junior High School in Prince George's County after he had been reprimanded from the school.
October 20, 1956: New York City, New York A junior high school student was wounded in the forearm yesterday by another student armed with a home-made weapon at Booker T. Washington Junior High School.
October 2, 1957: New York City, New York “A 16-year old student was shot in the leg yesterday by a 15-year old classmate at a city high school.”
March 4, 1958: New York City, New York “A 17-year-old student shot a boy in the Manual Training High School.”
May 1, 1958: Massapequa, New York A 15-year-old high school freshman was shot and killed by a classmate in a washroom of the Massapequa High School.
September 24, 1959: New York City, New York Twenty-seven men and boys and an arsenal were seized in the Bronx as the police headed off a gang war resulting from the fatal shooting of a teenager Monday at Morris High School. [edit]1960s
February 2, 1960: Hartford City, Indiana Principal Leonard Redden shot and killed two teachers with a shotgun at William Reed Elementary School in Hartford City, Indiana, before fleeing into a remote forest, where he committed suicide.
June 7, 1960: Blaine, Minnesota Lester Betts, a 40-year-old mail-carrier, walked into the office of 33-year-old principal Carson Hammond and shot him to death with a 12-gauge shotgun. October 17, 1961: Denver, Colorado Tennyson Beard, 14, got into an argument with William Hachmeister, 15, at Morey Junior High School. During the argument Beard pulled out a .38 caliber revolver and shot at Hachmeister, wounding him. A stray bullet also struck Deborah Faith Humphrey, 14, who died from her gunshot wound.
August 1, 1966: University of Texas Massacre Charles Whitman climbs atop the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, killing 16 people and wounding 31 during a 96-minute shooting rampage.
November 12, 1966: Mesa, Arizona Bob Smith, 18, took seven people hostage at Rose-Mar College of Beauty, a school for training beauticians. Smith ordered the hostages to lie down on the floor in a circle. He then proceeded to shoot them in the head with a 22-caliber pistol. Four women and a three-year-old girl died, one woman and a baby were injured but survived. Police arrested Smith after the massacre. Smith had reportedly admired Richard Speck and Charles Whitman.
January 30, 1968: Miami, Florida 16-year-old Blanche Ward shot and killed fellow student Linda Lipscomb, 16, with a .22-caliber pistol at Miami Jackson High School. According to Ward, she was threatened with a razor by Lipscomb during an argument over a fountain pen, and in the ensuing struggle the gun went off.
February 8, 1968: Orangeburg, South Carolina In the days leading up to February 8, 1968, about 200 mostly student protesters gathered on the campus of South Carolina State University, located in the city of Orangeburg, to protest the segregation of the All Star Bowling Lane. The bowling alley was owned by the late Harry K. Floyd. That night, students started a bonfire. As police attempted to put out the fire, an officer was injured by a thrown piece of banister. The police said they believed they were under attack by small weapons fire. The officers fired into the crowd, killing three young men: Samuel Hammond, Delano Middleton, and Henry Smith, and wounding twenty-seven others.
May 22, 1968: Miami, Florida Ernest Lee Grissom, a 15-year-old student at Drew Junior High School, shot and seriously wounded a teacher and a 13-year-old student after he had been reprimanded for causing a disturbance.
January 17, 1969: Los Angeles, California Two student members of the Black Panther Party, Alprentice Carter and John Huggins, were fatally shot during a student meeting inside Campbell Hall at the University of California, Los Angeles. The motive of the shooting regarded who would own the school's African American Studies Center. The shooter, Claude Hubert, was never to be found but three other men were arrested in connection with the shooting.
November 19, 1969: Tomah, Wisconsin Principal Martin Mogensen is shot to death in his office by a 14-year-old boy armed with a 20 gauge shotgun. [edit]1970s
The two most notable U.S. school shootings in the early 1970s were the Jackson State killings in May 1970, where police opened fire on the campus of Jackson State University and the Kent State shootings also in May 1970 where the National Guard opened fire on the campus of Kent State University.
The mid to late 1970s is considered the second most violent period in U.S. school history with a series of school shootings, most notably were; December 30, 1974: Olean, New York, Anthony Barbaro, a 17-year-old Regents scholar armed with a rifle and shotgun, kills three adults and wounds 11 others at his high school, which was closed for the Christmas holiday. Barbaro was reportedly a loner who kept a diary describing several "battle plans" for his attack on the school.[31]
June 12, 1976: California State University, Fullerton massacre, where the school's custodian opened fire with a semi-automatic rifle in the library on the California State University, Fullerton campus killing 7, and wounding 2.
February 22, 1978: Lansing, Michigan After being taunted for his beliefs, a 15-year-old self-proclaimed Nazi, kills one student and wounds a second with a Luger pistol.[31]
January 29, 1979: Grover Cleveland Elementary School Shootings, California, where 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire with a rifle, a gift from her father, killing 2 and wounding 9. [edit]1980s
The early 1980s saw many single shootings, similar to the 1970s:
April 7, 1982: Littleton, Colorado, Deer Creek Jr. High School The gunman, 14-year-old Jason Rocha, was a student at Deer Creek. Rocha shot and killed 13 year-old Scott Darwin Michael.[32] The early 1980s saw only a few multi-victim school shootings, including:
January 20, 1983: St. Louis County, Missouri Parkway South Middle School The eighth grade shooter brought a blue duffel bag containing two pistols and a murder/suicide note that outlined his intention to kill the next person heard speaking ill of his older brother, Ken, to school. He entered a study hall classroom and opened fire, hitting two fellow students. The first victim was fatally shot in the stomach, and the second victim received a non-fatal gunshot wound to the abdomen. He said, "no one will ever call my brother a pussy again," then committed suicide.
According to the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, in the United States, from September 1986 to September 1990:[33]
At least 71 people (65 students and 6 school employees) had been killed with guns at school. 201 were severely wounded by gun fire. 242 individuals were held hostage at gunpoint.
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What movie influenced Jack the Ripper? Albert Fish? Do you really think this guy was sane until Hollywood got him? C'mon man. Don't take advantage of a bad situation to push for censorship.
Well, you don't have to believe me - here's some links for you to read - then come back and tell me that I am taking advantage of a bad sitution to push for censorship.
http://web.comhem.se/u68426711/12/sem2/browne05.pdf
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/264305/violence-its-childs-play.html
http://www.wavetrust.org/key-publications/articles/media-influence-young-people
http://www.ehow.com/info_7954252_negative-movie-violence-young-adults.html
Don't forget that guy in the 50's who attacked comic books. You should link to him
Great answer to the above post listing all the studies that have been done. - great answer I must admit.
We all wish there were easy answers to situations like this. People were looking to blame things way before the 50's. Fact is there are evil people out there who can do evil things.
The problem with todays society is they don't take care of the problem. Have you listened to all the hype about "gun control". That's not where the problem is.
The problem is with our society - we live in a very violent society and that cannot be denied. We could take away all the guns from all the citizens and we would still have the same amount of violence - it would just would be done a differnet way.
They are not evil they are crazy.
Would you please keep the religious rhetoric out of it?
Christ. Whenever I think you couldn't be any dumber....
I know you couldn't be.
Just one more poster who defaults to insults.
If you want to play that way, I am capable, I just prefer not to.
I just dislike it when the religious term evil, is applied to people who are obviously crazy, like it means nothing could ever be done to change things.
Why don't you try reading and comprehending what's being discussed here instead of failing back into a knee jerk reaction indoctrinated into you at whatever Liberal arts school you attended? I've seen jack in the boxes that were less predictable than you.
Ooohhh.. insults.
You are so sophisticated.
I just asked you to stop using religious terms. Why is that so difficult for you?
Why do resort to insults instead of employing logic?
I suppose the thread is illogical anyway, but that's no excuse to resort to religious terms.
Do you consider these people sane? Do you consider this guy based upon the news that has been reported about him sane?
Hollywood makes a lot of comedies. Why aren't we all funnier?
I've been boycotting horror flicks for years but I honestly do not believe that many go for the blood and gore, most go merely to feel their hearts beat.
good point. I only saw one of these bat man films...and found it to be without a plot and full of violence...so depressing. And these awful batman films are top $$ makers !! quite disturbing. what does it say about our culture? Hollywood movie makers are soulless..we know that already.
prisoners Per capita (most recent) by country
1 United States: 715 per 100,000 people
2 Russia: 584 per 100,000 people
3 Belarus: 554 per 100,000 people
4 Palau: 523 per 100,000 people
5 Belize: 459 per 100,000 people
6 Suriname: 437 per 100,000 people
7 Dominica: 420 per 100,000 people
8 Ukraine: 416 per 100,000 people
9 Bahamas, The: 410 per 100,000 people
10 South Africa: 402 per 100,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cripriper_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita
Good post, which proves laws and imprisonment have little to do with crime rate.
law enforcement is often violent in the US
Yes, in Las Vegas the local PD, metro, may have the highest officer-involved shooting rate in the country.
There is no political solution to a cultural problem.
We are "Cultutrally Bankrupt"...
Go walk down the street. To to exchange pleasantries with people. They look at you like you are nuts.
Too Dumb Too Fail