Forum Post: Veganism the suppressed wisdom; blissful keys to freedom
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 4, 2011, 1:15 p.m. EST by midknight
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"As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." Leo Tolstoy
"Vegetarian food leaves a deep impression on our nature. If the whole world adopts vegetarianism, it can change the destiny of humankind." Albert Einstein
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Gandhi
I've never met a vegan who wasn't pasty and sickly looking.
also i used to have many health problems before becoming vegan.... I know many others who have become healthier through a vegan and raw vegan diet.
propaganda, you do not know many vegans, i have met many beautiful vegan children also 30% of india is vegetarian. veganism is as ancient as recorded history and beyond
And almost everyone who officially becomes the "world's oldest living person" lives on a Vegan diet as well.
Animals are not chemical factories. All the nutrients people think they get from meat, the animals they are eating originally got from eating plants.
The largest sauropod dinosaurs, mammoths, elephants, giraffes, basking shark etc look pretty good on a Vegan diet to me.
I am a strict Vegan, happy and healthy, despite all the people that ask me why "I don't look pale", "weak" and so on.
All the very largest, strongest and longest lived animals that live today, and have ever lived, including the dinosaurs, are Vegan.
The animals that people eat "for nutrition" get that nutrition from eating plants - they are not "chemical factories".
If you want to read an extremlet acclaimed book, by the worlds leading nutritionist about diet, read "The China Study" by Dr. Colin Campbell. You will never eat meat or dairy again.
Judging by my teeth and digestive enzymes it appears that I am an omnivore. I'll trust a few hundred million years of evolution to know what the fuck its talking about - thank you.
The vegan diet is an answer to many world problems.
Listen to your doctor, and at least try to eat less meat.
Becoming vegan has made me loose weight, lowered my blood pressure, and prevented me from needing statin drugs.
OWS IS concerned about the poor people's health, and the corporations making money on products that make us sick. The public being less healthy, increases corporations profits by their making money in healthcare industry. The rich can avoid eating this "modern food" (so far).
Since becoming vegan, I'm more than ever against GMO crops. The meat industry is it's largest buyer, and like with vegetables, the label does not include this information. Thanks goverment regulators.
Don't worry, be happy.
Monsanto: Die-it
http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.
*click the link to read the rest of the wonderful Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
ok need to take a break from responding to comments.... i wish you all joy and health though ^.^
<3 ^.^
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Ghandi was a beautiful person. India is becoming less and less vegetarian since mcdonalds and pizza huts are springing up, also mass pollution from companys like coca cola.... so the majority of india is not spiritually superior.... India is becoming like the west.
Humans are omnivores as is shown by having riping teeth (canine teeth forward) for eating meet and grinding teeth (everything back from the canine teeth) for eating plants.
To restrict everyone's diet to only one half of what our body is designed for is to deny our true nature. If an individual (for whatever reason) decides to restrict their own diet, then so be it.
But to try to force others in to your chosen diet goes against our freedom to choose how we wish to live our lives.
You eat what you want to eat, and Ill eat what I want to eat, and we will stand side by side and fight the corrupt leaders because what we eat has no barring on this fight.
Ok, even if this is your belief, factory farming is awful, the animals are injected with hormones etc... do some research, modern mass produced meat will not give you health.
who says I have not, who says I don't eat only local hormone free meat, and hunt for meat my self?
You don't know me, do not assume I do not read up on the facts associated with my opinions.
most people do not have access to this.
sorry that I have offended you.
Don't be sorry, use this as a learning experience, learn to stop yourself from assuming people know less then you with out proof.
you defended meat eating in general not ethical meat eating. in the future you to could be more specific, especially if you are not pro factory farms.
I made a general statement about the human body being designed to eat meat and plants, to a general list of quotes that were pro vegetarian, then said "You eat what you want to eat, and Ill eat what I want to eat, and we will stand side by side and fight the corrupt leaders because what we eat has no barring on this fight."
Then you jumped on my case about specific things, then I replied to your specific issues.
I would say this is done.
you rendered meat eating as a non issue, that was the feeling i got from your first reply. So if you yourself do not eat mass produced meat then maybe your general message should represent this.
Eating meat is not an issue of occupy wall street, and being a vegetarian or vegan or consuming only a liquid diet. Your diet has nothing to do with the occupy wall street movement therefor it is a non-issue.
So this movement is so limited as to not look at the whole picture of the whole reach of the corporations? I only want to be part of a movement that looks to elevate the human, not ideology. Perhaps I was wrong, I don't belong to this movement.
you want to make the focus to large, we need to narrow the focus to just a few things
Check the link after the edit mark on this page for a working list of goals http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
"They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices."
The basics are already there, but don't you see the issue must be larger than just this? Food prices have been manipulated to accommodate the mass production of animal products.
Diet has everything to do with Occupy Wall Street as corporatism is the basis for the current trend in food prices and food poisoning.
The focus may seem large, but truly it is small: we should oppose Corporations. Fully and without appeal.
corporations are not automatically evil we should appose corporations who have spit on the good will of the country to make a profit.
it will do us no good to take a harsh stance that all corporations are evil.
I have never met a good corporation, and I doubt humanity will ever see such a thing.
We will only see good when we bring life back to the individual. Yes there may be "good" corporations, but there was never such good as the individual's spirit.
this may be true, but it is still wrong to judge a group by a few bad apples.
you really don't understand that all issues of all people are represented by the 99%. The individual issues are not the goal of OWS, but those issues push the people that push the goal. It is all connected....'the butterfly effect'.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City "They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices."
lovely declaration <3 ^.^
Yes it is, but the answer to that point is not trying to get everybody to stop eating meat, and as far as I am concerned there are other points that by correcting will allow people to make better choices in the food they eat therefore forcing the hand of those farms to conform healthier food standards.
heaven on earth will return only when we live in peace with all the animals; Vegan Earth
Sorry I don't agree, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I still respect your opinion, and defend your right to have whatever opinion to wish.
yes it is! and i have heard animal rights is one of the demands! are health and food quality has been hijacked by corporate greed. animals being tortured, extreme growth from drugs, raped, never seen sunlight till slaughter is not natural it is not right. This is an important issue, i know it may be hard to see animals as anything more than beneath humans/ for consumption. We currently live in a society that functions on cruelty (war, factory farms, greed, prison complex, destruction of forests etc..) We need change.
you want to make the focus to large, we need to narrow the focus to just a few things
Check the link after the edit mark on this page for a working list of goals http://occupywallst.org/forum/first-official-release-from-occupy-wall-street/
this is sad, so many people flock here to bash quotes from such inspiring people.
Hitler was a vegetarian. Need I say more.
hitler was not, he simply acknowledged a biblical prophesy of the world returning to being vegetarian. and um... Ghandi was vegan, Albert Einstein was vegetarian towards the end of his life, and Leonardo Da Vinci was vegetarian since he was a child by personal choice.... the list goes on and on... i suppose this rumor negates all these people being good, inspiring?
There is certainly a problem with the way animals are treated and our society and with the over-saturation of animal products in our diet.
Though I eat meat, I think we should think about the impact on our society and our own health with our rampant consumption of meat. In particular, how do meat farms impact the price of food overall?
While I agree the treatment of animals should be better. And I am a vegetarian. We have no right to tell people if they can and can't eat meat. As long as they treat them as living beings and not as tools, then I say "LET THEM EAT MEAT" Humans are omnivores, that's who we are. Doesn't mean we should treat animals like we do, but we will eat meat. At least until they make vegetarian food as appetizing as fried chicken (and as cheap).
Either way, this isn't something that can, or should be controlled by the government. People have the right to choose, and this movement is about allowing us to make a choice when it comes to our government and it's policies. Not to push an ideal.
i never pushed ideals, i just expressed them. lol you do not sound like a vegetarian at all.... vegan food is so tasty!
Sorry, but I would appreciate if you shared your recipies. I have resorted to eating bean salad and frozen veggie patties (different types of course)
awww!!! links. and i used to be a hardcore meat eater, so im very serious when i say vegan food is epic <3
http://www.simpleveganrecipes.co.uk/recipes/vegan-sweet-potato-curry-recipe.html
http://webecoist.com/2008/09/01/20-delicious-vegan-meals-recipes-that-dont-suck/
so much more! just google food you like, like fried chicken vegan recipe, and you can find it! <3
http://vegetarian.about.com/od/maindishentreerecipes/tp/mockchicken.htm
^.^
also this vegan Chinese restaurant i adore uses mushrooms as mock meat.
Thank you!
<3 <3
""One may regret living at a period when it's impossible to form an idea of the shape the world of the future will assume. But there's one thing I can predict to eaters of meat: the world of the future will be vegetarian." -A. Hitler
once again, lots of ancient spiritual knowledge there. even the bible (the heavy edited kings james version) says one day we will all return to being vegetarian... Also this does not indicate that hitler was vegetarian.... sigh
What about plants that eat meat?
Mmmmm, I'm gonna go eat a hamburger now. Tasty tasty.
this is ancient knowledge. you offer sarcasm to escape any real thoughts or feelings. even if you disagree your response is just sad. If we want real change we need compassion, we need to try to communicate and think beyond sarcasm.
Real thoughts? You had a real thought? I doubt it, but please share that "thought".
As for your reference to ancient knowledge, the ancient knowledge is that humans evolved to be omnivores. And, quoting Tolstoy kinda shows that you don't have a clue about what reality is...
the standard way of communication is to alienate, cruel, dismissive, numb jokes etc. we need to rise beyond the abusive use of language we have been taught by media, prisons...
100%
We don't realize how much the consumption of media actually influences the way we communicate, think, feel, empathize, etc. Television has taught us to be sarcastic people and to not take things so seriously. "Life is a joke" is the lesson sitcoms have taught us.
thank you <3 this forum was becoming such despair. thank you again. i have been through so much abuse and when people talk like this it scares me, it saddens me. How are we supposed to overcome corporate greed, if intellectualism has been crafted into a mask for cruelty and bitter numbness.... yeah allot of people also do not realize how much history, released science, religion, has been edited to affect how they view, connect and consume in this world...
<3 stay strong though! living from your heart can be so much fun ^.^
No, thank you. You had the courage to say something that you knew would be met with opposition but said it anyway. I agree, there is a stark lack of civility in not just this forum but in our society today in general. A lot of this is as you said, because religion, history, science, and art have been hijacked.
Keep on speaking your beliefs that, as Emerson said, "has not been said that is yet true."
<3 yeah it always weirds me out when anarchist get very defensive about scientific theory.... people who can generally acknowledge that history has been completely edited and can't see that this other form of knowledge that they have mostly learned from institutions is the ultimate truth... vegetarian knowledge was greatly suppressed and destroyed by the Catholic Church 2000 years ago... i feel like "science for the masses" is picking up the pace.