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Forum Post: "V" is for Vladimir?

Posted 10 months ago on Sept. 12, 2013, 1:20 p.m. EST by FawkesNews (1290)
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Does such 'mastery of the obvious' need introduction?

By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN...September 11, 2013

MOSCOW — Recent events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Vladimir V. Putin.....president of Russia.

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[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 months ago

I keep coming across commentary about this that is derogatory.

He skipped a bunch of crap to get precisely what he had to say out without it being butchered by someone else and so the response is to act like a bunch of nimrods making more shit out of nothing.

It simply is.

[-] -2 points by CarryingMona (-19) 10 months ago

Hey moron, he just just seized a Greenpeace ship.

Gonna backtrack now or keep your tongue up Putin's ass?

This could be awkward. It usually is when your cheer on dictators.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 months ago

That's what I love about you. You move crisis to crisis and allow your emotions to toss you about.

There is a need to step back when everyone else is flipping out. To spend your time acting like an editorial in the newspaper was the ZOMG is utterly insane. Especially when the feigned outrage is a tool of distraction from the actual issues.

No. You can't claim that I cheer on dictators simply because I refuse to allow you to dictate what my responses should be.

Yes, when you scale a rig then you should expect some repercussions.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1002) 10 months ago

God created us equal, Mr. Putin, but as you are aware, we have achieved exceptional dominance with our military. Even as we Americans should humbly submit ourselves to the UN Security Council governance, the world should actively do everything possible to not provoke us. We must stop using the language of force, but resist the urge to control information. Transparency is needed for the entire world.

If the UN Security Council is to continue as you wish, assurances must be given to the countries that are not on the Security Council about fairness. Everyone should have access to all UN decisions and the motives for them, subjecting the members themselves to be governed by we, the people.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34899) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 months ago

U.N. able

UN able

Unable

Just sayin.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1002) 10 months ago

The UN is currently unable. The USA needs to be restrained having achieved military superiority, the power to become an empire will continue. The Security Council with Russia and China could accomplish the restraint necessary, but trust doesn't exist, and the USA more and more ignores the Security Council.

If not the UN, then what?

[-] 4 points by LeoYo (5843) 10 months ago

Nothing.

The UN was designed by the Roosevelt/Truman administration as the successor to the failed League of Nations which had also been designed by the Wilson administration. The only reasons Russia and China are permanent members of the security council is because Roosevelt, against Churchill's foresight, saw the Soviet Union as becoming more aligned with US interests and China, a strong US ally, had yet to experience its Communist Revolution. The simple idea was to have a permanent security council aligned with US interests to dominate a global governing organization. The development of the World Bank and the IMF also served the purpose of global US hegemony. Holding itself above subjection to the World Court and having elitist governments around the globe bought out to be in compliance with transnational corporate interests, the US can never become subject to its own creation for dominating the world.

[-] 2 points by FawkesNews (1290) 10 months ago

Fucking brilliant.!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 months ago

I thought that you might get a kick out of this:

From Russia With PR

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 months ago

They did a fantastic job with that letter.

Were you under the impression that Putin sat down and wrote that himself?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 months ago

Absolutely not. That isn't the way it works and you know this.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 months ago

I'd put that letter up there with another great writer I admired, and still do...

Jon Favreau.

[-] 1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 10 months ago

Mr. Putin addressed his position to american public in the matter of recent events. CIA shipped heavy duty rocket launchers and other not american made weaponry to the Syrian opposition forces to topple Assad Army tanks and BMPs. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/09/11/cia-state-department-weapons-gear-syrian-rebels/2802491/ Its appear to be that sufficient evidence for attacking Syria is not so sufficient anymore. So who is behind the chemical attacks? Rebels from al nursa front http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front smuggled sarin gas to Turkey http://www.voltairenet.org/article178710.html http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=13625

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 10 months ago

"...its a mystery, wrapped in riddle, inside of an enigma.." Pesci. JFK

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 months ago

I request that the red line law

against the use of chemical weapons

be expended to included explosions

with greater kill radius than 10'

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 months ago

Chuck Norris wears V Putin underwear.

[-] -2 points by broncoze (-126) 10 months ago

"He even hangs out exceptionally well. YOU GO, PUTIN!"

http://twitchy.com/2013/09/12/fancy-that-turns-out-exceptionalisms-pretty-cool-when-putin-does-it-pics/

kinda starting to like this guy

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 months ago

Now we have Trump on CNBC talking about Putin...this outta be good...

"He's helping him in one way, and he's really embarrassing him in another way."

"Its helped the president but made him look like he doesnt know what he's doing."

People who have an open mind, read this....he talks about Iraq, we spent all this money and is a disaster right now....

One of many thing written in the letter, and you know, who is going to dispute it?"

Not too bad by the donald, one of his more sound analysis of late.

[-] -3 points by zimvind (-157) 10 months ago

Yeah, but he got one thing wrong. Putin didn''t "make" Obumbler "look" like he doesn't know what he is doing......he EXPOSED the FACT Obumbler is unqualified for his job.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 months ago

This system wants puppets. Romney-Obama, Obama-McCain, Bush-Kerry, Bush-Gore, Clinton-Dole etc etc etc

If you look at it like that, they are perfect. Do you see riots or anything real going on for the most part? No? Then the job is working.

[-] -3 points by zimvind (-157) 10 months ago

Heh, heh. It crossed my mind as I said Obumbler was unqualified, that that wasn't really true. He fit those puppet strings pretty well. You are so right. There have been pitifully few candidates for POTUS in my lifetime that were truly qualified.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 months ago

All we have to do is turn on CSPAN. These slugs couldnt lead a kindergarten class, much less other adults.

And yet people still endorse them.

The attack ads scare away a lot of very talented people, because we all have mistakes in life.

Only total losers have spotless records. And yet that is what we say we want.... losers. And hence endorse the attack ads that scare off the talented ones.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 months ago

people are scared by ads ?

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 months ago

Scared of running for office themselves? You better believe it!!

The amount of conversations Ive had with people who talk about their whole family being drug through the mud is staggering.

Its a primary question in running. Not "can I make a difference" or "do I believe in this" but "do I want my entire life and reputations put out for public scrutiny".

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 months ago

I thought it might be

the lack of employment politicians can get for expressing their opinion

our lives are run more by our corporations than our governments

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 months ago

Your govt is run by corporations.

Remember? Show me the money.

Citizens United.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 months ago

not as much as my life

what I am paid

when and where I work

[-] -3 points by zimvind (-157) 10 months ago

Most all Western countries are run by corporations and if they get their way they will be running the one world govt in the not too distant future. The TPP is a big step towards that goal.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 10 months ago

It's not in yet.

[+] -4 points by zimvind (-157) 10 months ago

No, it isn't but I fear the odds are in it's favor. According to the threads LeoYo has been posting Obumbler is for it and wants it ready for a vote in our Senate before this year is out.

[-] -2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 10 months ago

Boehner - "I was insulted"... Another one that can't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

New law- you want to go to war, you lead the fuckin charge. Or just shut the fuck up.

[-] -2 points by CarryingMona (-19) 10 months ago

Yes, God created us all equal. What we do with that equality is up to us. Outcomes are NOT equal.

Vlad is former KGB and a commie. Screw him.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 10 months ago

KGB... yes scary indeed.

"commie"?..like "pinko"..like Archie Bunker? Now you scary too.

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[-] -2 points by broncoze (-126) 10 months ago

What if they call for the cessation of war while happily arming one of the combatants and while using the "language of force" against rebels in his own country? Still feeling respect?

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[-] -2 points by broncoze (-126) 10 months ago

It's bad enough that Russia gets to have a president who can kill a bear with his bare hands while we are stuck with this guy

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/barack-obama-golf-pose-gi.jpg

but now we have to watch Putin take a long public victory lap and humiliate Obama even more?

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 10 months ago

Obama could be the hero of the Planet if he chose the way of peace. Unfortunately he elected not to.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 months ago

this is not a contest

[-] -1 points by broncoze (-126) 10 months ago

"Putin now just basically doing donuts in Obama's front yard"

not mine but funny

[-] 4 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 months ago

Russia is the US little brother when it comes to arm sales


yep US only pays 41% of the total world military budget

World Military budget in Billions (percent total) by Nation

  • 1,630 World Total
  • 711 United States 41%
  • 143 China 8.2%
  • 71.9 Russia 4.1%
  • 62.7 United Kingdom 3.6 %
  • 62.5 France 3.6%
  • 54.5 Japan 3.3&
  • 48.2 Saudi Arabia 2.8%
  • 46.8 India 2.5%
  • 46.7 Germany 2.8%
  • 37.0 Italy 2.3%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures


Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations

39% United States

18% Russia

8% France

7% United Kingdom

5% Germany

3% China

3% Italy

11% Other European

5% Others

http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business#GlobalArmsSalesBySupplierNations


[-] 2 points by shadz66 (18072) 10 months ago

Ever a voice against war, warmongers & the war-machine. Thanx Matt and fyi :

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 10 months ago

Mass Media does not talk about this

perhaps because weapons production is business as usual

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (18072) 10 months ago

"How War Is Used To Redistribute Wealth", by Dennis Kucinich :

The same corporations who make the bombs own the MSM all financed by the same Banksters.

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 10 months ago

Thank you for the refresher course.

The disbelief you experience when sharing these numbers with people is priceless.

[-] -1 points by broncoze (-126) 10 months ago

It's always a contest and we lost and it's only going to get worse. "It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation" pretty much means fuck you, you suck, I won.

I'm actually happy with no intervention, just wish the smartest president ever could have done it without looking like it was his first day on the job.

[-] -1 points by zimvind (-157) 10 months ago

Hey, the comment about American exceptionalism was no insult to Obumbler. He has been knocking that concept since he took office.

[-] -3 points by Narley (-629) 10 months ago

Well said. Exactly the way I feel. The only thing I could add would be Obama probably needed his nose rubbed in the dirt a little. His arrogance is unappealing.