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Forum Post: USPS: Some Facts and Why You Should be Outraged

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 12, 2013, 10:22 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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So with so much flack in the air around what's happening to the USPS, I thought a little bit of history and reality was in order, so I found this very enlightening article.

"You are probably hearing that the Post Office is “in crisis” and is cutting back Saturday delivery, laying people off, closing offices, etc. Like so many other “crises” imposed on us lately, there is a lot to the story that you are not hearing from the “mainstream” media. (Please click that link.) The story of the intentional destruction of the U.S. Postal Service is one more piece of the story of crisis-after-crisis, all manufactured to advance the strategic dismantling of our government and handing over the pieces to billionaires."

http://www.nationofchange.org/you-should-be-outraged-what-being-done-our-post-office-1360594259

Union busting, plain and simple.

Everything else is bullshit.

PLUS! A late breaking addendum with even more FACTS!!

"Congressman John McHugh who was the main primarily responsible for the 2006 law is a former member of ALEC. So, too, was former Virginia Representative Tom Davis. And he co-sponsored the law, too.

In the years since the Post Office was forced to set aside more than $5 billion a year, private carriers like UPS and FedEx have seen their revenues and stocks increase dramatically. As billions are siphoned out of the Post Office every year, it can no longer reinvest in updating equipment, and thus finds it harder and harder compete with the private market.

In the first two years since the 2006 law kicked in, investors in FedEx enjoyed a 25% increase in the value of their company.

So this plan to kill the Post Office has, so far, been executed flawlessly by the Republican Party and its corporate overlords."

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/14486-the-usps-media-fail

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[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Stand up for working/middle class labor. Don't be fooled by republican efforts to bust another union with impossible pension requirements.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

ALEC's ugly, nasty hands are all over it too.

Anyone surprised?

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Don't be fooled by fools who say do nothing 'till the next election.

We must fight now! We must pressure ALL politicians to support pro labor, pro union, pro 99% actions.

We must force ALL pols to vote against ALEC interests (Even if they have accepted money from ALEC corps).

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Nope. 2.3 Million in donations in 2012 and another 3+millino in lobbying.

Stop supporting people who take money from those who are attempting to put them out of business.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000081

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Until you live in a hole in the ground, or a cave eating nothing but oak leaves YOU too are supporting them and thus still a hypocrite.

Why not give a comment on this Koch/ALEC attack on unions?

Why not at least pretend like you read the articles provided?

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think it is obvious about the Republicans, that they arent too keen on unions to just blatantly anti union. Same for ALEC/Koch

How many times can we talk about what we already agree on?

So what are the solutions? Besides eliminating everyone who accepts ALEC money?

What does the future of the post office look like? I do know that UPS cannot ship to PO Boxes. So is that an advantage or disadvantage at this point?

Thoughts?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Not to keen on unions?

When did you become the King of understatements?

I have pointed out numinous times how they have been viciously attacking unions through ALEC written legislation.

From construction to school teachers.

You've poo pooed every single attack.

Now you want to claim they're not too keen?

Once they have sold it to the lowest bidder and RAPED that fat pension fund they are forcing on it to put it out of business, they will leave all that "final mile" delivery to the underpaid, under pensioned left overs in the USPS, while fedex et al charges you an arm and two legs to deliver everything else.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Redirect and dodge much?

"to just blatantly anti union."

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yes you do.

This thread is about GOP union busting.

You haven't said a word in support of the USPS workers.

No a one.

Here's those guys you claim to "love" on the subject.

http://sandiegofreepress.org/2013/02/bernie-sanders-and-ralph-nader-both-condemn-postal-service-decision/

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I said stop electing people that accept money from ALEC and we will be fine.

You said voting for them is fine. You'd even take some money them if you got the chance.

Its not good. Both parties are funded by ALEC competitors, one being a board member that is a direct competitor to them (UPS funding Dem president more than anyone else).

Want to save the post office? Stop electing people that accept ALEC's money. And dont use UPS and FEd Ex. Everyone does that, and we are good.

Or just point to half the problem and scream at the top of your lungs. Either or.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Still nothing in support of the unions?

Still in denial that the main thrust of union busting is being done by the GOP?

Still in denial that almost ALL ALEC legislation is enacted by (R)epelican'ts?

Still putting words in my mouth?

Yep, on all counts.

Now, on with your denial.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Wow...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Wowie wow wow too.

Still nothing in support of unions?

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting you think the 99% are asses anyway.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Keep voting for people who accept ALEC money and sign free trade deals with 3rd world nations.

Supporting unions would be doing the opposite of that, of which I do.

Slow down. This is easy. One person votes for those who accept ALEC money and vote for free trade.

The other doesnt.

So which one supports the unions? Probably the second. The first one thinks he or she does, but is really just being played like a fiddle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8y5hiVFNew

Dont be a fiddle!!

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/1/as_us_postal_service_faces_default

Stop endorsing so many god damn neoLibe(R)tarians and we wont have these problems!!!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Still no words of support for unions from you?

No.

I really didn't think you had it in you.

I was correct.

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[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Words? How about actions.

Whatcha think of this?

http://video.tbo.com/v/66913365/protestors-occupy-walmart-parking-lot.htm

Me, behave/normal? Seriously? As a child I saw Tarzan almost naked, Cinderella arrived home after midnight, Pinocchio told lies, Aladdin was a thief, Batman drove over 200 miles an hour, Snow White lived in a house with 7 men, Popeye smoked a pipe and had tattoos, Pac Man ran around to digital music while eating pills that enhanced his performance, and Shaggy and Scooby were mystery solving hippies that always had the munchies. The fault is not mine! -uknown

[+] -4 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

unions are a money laundering operation for the dems.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Unions are the only power/leverage we have against the corp 1% oligarchs who would otherwise run roughshod over the 99%.

Our wages, benefits, job security & country are at stake.

Support the Union! Expand the Union! Unions ARE the 99%

[-] -3 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

most working people ( 89%) in the usa do not belong to a unions and dont want to.

[-] 5 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

They ought to. It is better for them.

[+] -4 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

says you. why shouldnt they make their own choice?

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Trollin trollin trollin

And your ego's swollen

Keep them untruths rolling

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

They have. Who saidthey shouldn't? Are you makin things up already?

[-] -3 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

YOU said, " They ought to. It is better for them"

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

and you said "most don't want to". I believe we have expressed our opinions.

Are you familiar with that concept.?

[-] -3 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

11% of the working population belong to unions, the rest dont and dont want to.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I disagree.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

What is your point? The Dems are utilizing a faction. It's no different than the US chamber of commerce donating policy ideas and money to the Republicans. You think you stumbled onto a great injustice, but all you've done is point out a fact of life.

Wow, You are just so profound.

[-] 3 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Buy Postal merchandize to support the decent hard working Americans being targeted by republicans.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/koch-world-reboots-87834.html

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 1 year ago

Please sign petition

Support union workers @USPS

http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/usps_sat_delivery/?rc=homepage

Please sign petition

[-] -3 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

the chamber of commerce does not have huge unfunded liabilities like unions do,

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Yeah, that is kind of a bitch that the Government is held to a higher standard and can't welsh on its obligations like many companies have been doing for years, many of them were probably Chamber members.

Hey, you don't like the fact that your Grandchildren might just grow up to be indentured servants to the state, then join an anti war protest. That's what is breaking us, not the gov't paying for retirement benefits for its employees.

get a grip!

I believe the subsidies that the Chamber procured for its members contributed more to the debt than retirement benefits will cost in the future. .

[-] -3 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

what is killing this country is runaway spending. raising taxes is not an answer, cutting the spending is. the unfunded liabilities of the unions killed detroit, are killing california.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

Great news source for the hard working American postal employees

http://www.postalemployeenetwork.com/

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

You can't support American labor and support the Post Office. Because the Post Office, via the postal money order, is the primary means for the export of untaxed income; under three thousand they don't even require an ID. So here we have the illegal, who undermines and devalues American labor, as licensed by the Federal government to fully and legally export that income untaxed; combine this with the bulk rates offered corporations for the purpose of mass marketing (i.e., the junk mail that comprises over half of their volume) and if not for the jobs it provides, must otherwise be labeled a complete waste.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

WTF was that supposed to be?

It didn't make any sense.

I think you just devalued labor all by yourself. Making that post a complete waste.

[-] -2 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

That's what I call unspoken truths. I'd love to keep postal employees but not unless a) we start taxing the illegally obtained income that exists this country via the US postal money order and b) we put an end to the taxpayer subsidized bulk rate which allows corporations to mass market at our expense.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's actually called union busting.

It's done by any means they can think of, most of which you've never thought of.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

This is a Federal union that the American people would be better off without.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'll bet you say that about all the unions, however, that doesn't negate the fact that it IS union busting.

Now why would anyone want to do that?

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Not at all, I'm a union member myself - this isn't about employees - this is about corrupt Federal policy.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Bush did it.

It was his corrupt policy.

Now you're getting the picture.........maybe.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Well, that's very possible, I don't know. I'm just not real happy with some aspects of our postal system.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How vague of you to say.

I'm sure Welsh Post is the mirror image of the USPS though..

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

I'm quite certain it is, yes.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"b) we put an end to the taxpayer subsidized bulk rate which allows corporations to mass market at our expense."

???

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Standard rates on junk or bulk mail are like half of what we pay for postage; consequently we receive a lot of junk mail, this increased volume further taxes the system... we subsidize this through our rates. And again, there is a lot of money that leaves this country via the postal money order; not only does this stress the supply, it is also a loss of tax dollars.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

corporations undermine and devalue American labor. it is not "the illegals" that you mention.

And there is no such thing as an illegal human being.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Not all labor is derived of corporations; the illegal undermines the value of the self-employed and the entrepreneurial nationwide and then he exports his tax free income via the US postal service.

[-] 2 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 1 year ago

This 2/20 is 220 birthday for USPS.!!!!

Support the hundreds of thousands of decent hard working Americans employed by the Postal service!

Happy Birthday and good luck against the republican union busting attacks.

http://postalnews.com/postalnewsblog/2012/02/20/united-states-post-office-department-wikipedia-the-free-encyclopedia/

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Anyone who exploits "illegal" immigrants at illegally low pay undermines American labor. It is not the "illegal" doing it. It's a corrupt and still racist system where business owners and corporations consciously make that decision to exploit human beings instead of pay a legal hourly wage and abide by labor laws... and where the government still doesn't have a better system to deal with this, due to corporate funded candidates who constantly fail to provide legislation to solve these issues and in many cases even block them.

And there is no such thing as an illegal human being.

I just got done reading Martin Luther King's book Where Do We Go From Here. It was his last book and it has some brilliant ideas on solving poverty and creating jobs. It would definitely solve this problem and allow us to be prosperous and allow more citizenship so that money you mention can stay here.

Instead of the great ideas of Martin Luther King, we have a government manipulated and corrupted by corporations and banks. A government that in turn supports monetary policy giving trillions to corporations and banks instead of building communities. A corporate government that spends trillions on bailouts for banks, more than what it would have cost to pay everyone's sub-prime mortgage and buy a house for every person in America who doesn't already have a house. Our current monetary system has lead us to a manipulative system depreciating our purchasing power, causing everything to rise in price and allow speculators to further corrupt prices. These corporate funded candidates also waste trillions on wars based on lies. Wars that waste tax dollars killing soldiers and civilians so boeing and KBR can make another billion. So big oil can stay in Iraq.

Think about it. We could have a much more prosperous system.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

There are illegal human beings in the sense of being unwelcome residents, or invaders - they are "outlaws" as those who live outside the law. And as such they have no right of employment, the economy takes advantage of this, and these lower labor rates undermine the value of labor worldwide as corporations trip off across the world in search of the almighty dollar. You can think about whatever you like, but the reality is that there is an imbalance of jobs to labor; the illegal is undermining American labor and has impacted our quality of life.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Some piece of paper with words means you should have more rights than a fellow human being?

You should reread everything I posted.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

"Rights" are a negotiated item, first appearing on paper during the reign of Henry II. As citizens, we have negotiated no rights with these invaders - they are outlaws - and have no rights.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You have never negotiated rights with me. I have never been given a chance to negotiate my rights in this nation either.

They are not outlaws. They are human beings.

You are talking about stupid laws.

and they do have rights.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

If as an African American, you are the descendent of an involuntary immigrant, as many whites themselves are, and a natural born citizen, meaning born of an American mother, you are permitted to petition for rights. And fortunately, this is not feudal Europe; if the terms are not agreeable you are free, unlike those of feudal Europe, to migrate.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I think if anything you're acting on prejudice as well as putting too much faith in stupid laws.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

I don't really put any faith in the stupid laws; I try to access the future in terms of populations irrespective of any law.

I don't expect to win this argument. But I am concerned about the future of both black and white America.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It's all smoke and mirrors. Declaring a continent to be terra nullius when you invade it gives you no right to declare the natives and regular visitors of that continent to be "illegal human beings". The reality is, that you and yours are the illegal aliens, and don't ever forget that fact.

[-] 1 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

Laws change, therefore what is illegal changes. There are people in this country illegally that are detrimental, in many aspects, to those who are here legally.

You can say that the legals are illegal and whatever else but the reality of the situation very clearly identifies who is legal and who is illegal.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Laws are instigated by invaders, to protect the interests of the invaders.

In no way does that change the centuries-old status quo, Nader.

The "reality of the situation" is that there is no possibility of securing your borders, and your economy relies upon cheap labor to function.

As much as your govt pretends to be proactive in repelling the influx of Mexican nationals, they also accept that the flow won't ever stop.

Perhaps your focus needs to be upon the influx of hard drugs from the gulf of Mexico, and the big five banks arranging methods of money laundering for drug cartels, which congress gets kick-backs and election funds from, by providing weapons and ammunition.

[-] 1 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

I am sure it is "possible" to secure the border, it may just be very expensive.

The cartels are Mexico's problem. We should legalize the drugs to remove the black market and demand for the drugs but ultimately the violence is almost entirely south of the border. We have enough problems of our own.

And while we rely on the cheap labor, there are millions of illegals who provide no labor but will ultimately end up receiving government assistance at some point.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The bulk of "assistance" (meaning handouts) in the last decade has been to criminal banksters, Nader.

Let's refocus upon that fraud, shall we? The "illegal alien" problem is just more obfuscation by the criminals sapping your money by the billions and trillions, putting your grandchildren in debt, so they can live the high life.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Mexicans, Columbians, Guadamalians - Pakistanis - were never residents of the US - this was Native American territory. And my ancestors were never illegal aliens, they were foreign invaders who walked ashore uninvited and utilized both diplomacy and force to remain here. The illegal is a threat to both black and white America alike and the only reason they persist is because this is an extremely corrupt government more committed to corporate profit than it is to domestic prosperity and tranquility.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

You admit to being foreign invaders but not illegal aliens??

Interesting delineation, if not totally bogus.

Mexicans have every right to travel anywhere in the north of their continent. Why you mention Pakistanis is beyond my limited understanding of your mindset.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

It's not bogus and it's not merely semantics - when my ancestors waded ashore almost 400 years ago the "Nation of Law" had not yet come into existence anywhere in the world, historically, all were labeled as "foreign invaders." Today, we apply law to reclassify. The Mexican has no rights other than those we opt to generously extend - this is courtesy, it's not privilege and it's not "rights."

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

You're carrying forward the empirical attitudes that your secessionist forebears left behind. Would you care to expand on this sentence from your last post? "Today, we apply law to reclassify". The people of Mexico have as much right of passage within America as Americans have within Mexico.

The current drug cartel situation within Mexico would not be a problem if Americans didn't have a thirst for drugs. No market, no product, no problem.

You Americans are the drug problem within Mexico. Get with the program, Nader.

[-] -1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Do you even know the meaning of the word empirical? This has nothing at all to do with my forebears, this is the world we are born into. The US is a Nation of Law, that requires we extend a humane courtesy; my forebears would have simply executed the invading Mexicans without penalty. American hunger has nothing to do with drug cartels; this is a corrupt government fully capable of entirely eliminating both the drug cartels and those who hunger.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm saying it has everything to do with your forebears.

Tell me why you think it doesn't involve what they did before you came on the scene.

The US is a business. It's not a country. It's a corporate conglomerate, and you are a part of the plebian class.

Whether or not the functional end of your corporate conglomerate decides to do anything proactive about the Mexican drug cartels (apart from laundering their profits and supplying guns and ammunition) is a moot point to this particular argument.

[+] -4 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Wait a minute, you're Canadian right? Are you somehow suggesting your forebears were somehow morally superior to mine? Is that what this is about? The US is a business, well, duhh... all government is economic at its core and politicians are key financial players. If you're not a citizen of this country, then what we chose to do with our mexican problem is none of your f*cking business; is it?

BTW, although status is present in all societies as an evolutionary tool, what my forebears created was a classless society - there were no plebeians then and there are no plebeians now - because unlike those of monarchy, there was never special privilege attached to that status. We have rich and we have poor and all that exists in between but we do not think in terms of class division - we are the same.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Hmm, didn't know the Welsh were having such a problem with Mexicans.

You should move to Scotland.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

How did we treat Chinese immigrant workers on the US Railroads? Didn't our people pay them pennies, work them hard, put them in dangerous working conditions, and finally some of us killed them with dynomite while blasting rock because they were different, they were less than us, they were a lower class.

I don't have references for some of this. You can question me on some of this. But ... what rings true is that we treated Asian workers as a lower class, and that sometimes they died because they were looked at like less than human in the work place.

In fact ...one part of our history is about prohibition of drugs and seems to be all made up about the evil of Asians and Blacks in the USA.

If you have references to why we made drugs illegal ... I would like to see them. I have this one sided view that the making of drugs illegal was a total PR, Creel Commission, Propaganda Operation ... and the enemy was the Chinese and the Negro.

[-] 1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

I think you're confusing class with status. And it wasn't "us" that victimized the Chinese, it was the railroad or robber barons.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You don't think:

1) Congress has a separate set of Ethical Rules from the rest of the federal employees
2) Coal Miners were in a lower class in West Virginia
3) Black Slaves were in a lower Class
4) Irish Immigrants and Indentured Servants were in a lower class
5) Young Black Males charged with Drug Possession are treated as a lower class
6) Prostitutes are a fact of life, you don't think they are lower class
7) Illegal Immigrants from Mexico are a lower class (non citizen)
8) Vietnamese called gooks by US emissaries called soldiers during the war are a lower class
9) Civilian Casualties of Drone Strikes in Pakistan are lower class
10) Napalm Victims on the Highway of Death in Kuwait/Iraq were lower class
11) Pepper Sprayed Activist on Wall Street were lower class
12) TBTF have never been taken to court for 2008 Crisis for control Fraud are a higher class
13) Wealthy Corporations are a higher class

Do you believe the 2008 Financial Crisis was a Virgin Crisis - that no crimes were committed in the crisis?

Do you believe the Felons who created the Financial Crisis are the best people to Run the TBTF Banks today?

If America is a classless society - why do we call people gooks and kill them? Why don't we care that we kill women and kids if we see everyone as the same in the same class?

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Class leveling is what America was all about; the British and the Canadians hate us to this day for that very reason.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Wait a minute. Where I come from (not Canada) means nothing to this debate.

While my country and yours are tied together by a treaty agreement, your gov policies and agreements and treaties are every bit my business.

And Mexico doesn't see you as a problem. You're a purchase assett. They are moving in, because you people don't recognize potential.

[-] -2 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

A purchase asset? These Mexicans can't even purchase enough to eat; they're moving in because death is their only other option. Americans don't give a rat's ass about treaties with your country; what we care about is our general prosperity.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2697) 1 year ago

People have always been on the move historically moving around. Borders are a modern invention.

[-] 1 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

I think it's peace that is a modern invention; it has a tendency to cement borders.

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[+] -5 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

The USPS is becoming a dinosaur - how many people of the younger generation use it - very few if any. Most of the people who use it are older folks and some businesses -

Besides the USPS restricts certain kinds of packages so that market goes to the other carriers.

It has nothing to do with Union Busting and all to do about doing what a private business enterprise would do - either cut back or shut down because of "lack of profitability"

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yes Mr. Hannity.

Of course Mr. Hannity.

Now will you actually read the posts, instead of jerking your knee, and repeating the same old, same old?

It has everything to do with union busting.

Everything.

[-] -3 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

It doesn't matter - the USPS has not made a profit in years - do you really think pumping more money will solve this - no.

Like I said fewer and fewer people use the USPS just like the land line is in decline

Here is an article I just came across:

Can USPS Be a Profitable Business Again?

If you build it, they will come. But what happens if they stop coming?

Let’s say you’re an entrepreneur and you are in the widget business. You want to grow a profitable business and you want to sell more widgets. So you spend a bunch of money and build widgets and then you need to store them somewhere. At some point, your widgets stop selling like hot cakes. So now you are stuck with inventory and higher fixed costs to run your business.

According to the Postal Service, if they don’t save at least $20 billion dollars by 2015, they will be out of business. Kaput. No mas.

The Post Office wants become a profitable business again. So they are getting out of the overnight delivery business of the basic stamped letter. They have tons of postal processing centers that aren’t working at maximum capacity because demand has decreased. Email and ecommerce is hurting them and there are many places where they can’t deliver on an overnight basis.

Ending this unprofitable service means taking a financial hit. It also means they will most likely lay off 28,000 people. Yikes! They need to do this, go back to the drawing board and come up with a profitable business model.

Technology is making so many companies change with the times. Just ask Borders or Tower Records. Tower was late to change and Apple came in and swooped their customers right out from under their noses. Or how about Amazon crushing Borders?

Running a profitable business is all about creating multiple products or services that are in demand. Like real demand, as in I-have-to-have-what-you-are-selling demand. It’s about staying in touch with technology as well as your customer to serve their needs. Then it’s about being able to produce your product/service at the lowest cost possible without sacrificing the quality of what you are delivering.

Chances are, the more fun you have in your business the more you will shine, the more sales you will make, and the more cash you will keep.

Both are a fact and can't be denied.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You didn't read the facts.

So I guess you're free to make up your own then?

They made money or broke even until Bush signed his shit ass bill on his way out the door.

[-] -3 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

You know what I think - I think it's made to seem like it's union busting because it 'stirs up emotions" when the truth of the matter is the USPS is a complete failure but because no mone is being allocated it's "Union Busting".

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Then they shouldn't be union busting and pretending it's something else.

You need to go back to bullshitting class for a refresher course.

You're losing your "touch".

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Anything that is paper right now is in decline- post office, magazines, books and newspapers.

What should they do to innovate into the future to remain viable?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

So?

The USPS ( for the umpteenth time and you've ignored them all), was doing just fine thanks, until BUSH forced them into the position they are in today,.

THEY WERE DOING FINE!

Got that now?

Everything else you've said is a right wing piece of shit propagandized LIE!

the real question in this conversation (as it's off topic) is, why would you do that?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

They were doing fine? Seinfeld predicted their fall in 1997 ("The Junk Mail" aired on October 30, 1997). Lot's of people did. They should have pioneered a web based email service and charged for advertising.

And OTP makes a good point. Why didn't the Dems fix things after '08?

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I would have though that the Dems would have reversed that after the landslide victory of 08.

I guess accepting all that money makes it tough.

And every paper informational service is going to obsolete or near it in the next 20 years, regardless of union issues.

So assuming the prefunded requirement was reversed, and it could be if Dems actually had some balls, then how does the Post Office deal with the tech revolution?

Here, do some research and then maybe you can have a decent conversation with someone on the internet instead of trolling day after day attacking and promoting your catch phrases: https://www.google.com/search?q=USPS+revune+chart+since+1980&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&authuser=0&ei=C5QaUe-oDIaY9QTXwoCACw&biw=1366&bih=667&sei=DZQaUd3uCZSm8gSXtoHABg#um=1&hl=en&tbo=d&authuser=0&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=USPS+revenue+chart+&oq=USPS+revenue+chart+&gs_l=img.3...36945.40993.1.41431.11.11.0.0.0.0.93.714.11.11.0...0.0...1c.1.2.img.oe7RTtLLNzg&fp=1&biw=1366&bih=667&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&cad=b&sei=wJQaUZ2QKJHE9gTWmoC4Cg&imgrc=pIcbzLp5Fz4TDM%3A%3BOO3p8iPImz1o6M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252F1.bp.blogspot.com%252F_-ATpb1OdDLM%252FTBbnkyhBJPI%252FAAAAAAAAA0U%252FVyrA043Eb-k%252Fs1600%252FMail%252BVolume%252BChart.2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Faureliusweb.blogspot.com%252F2010%252F10%252Fmail-run.html%3B1033%3B602

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You still ignore every fact that you should be outraged over.

Every single one of them.

You didn't read any of the articles posted either.

You haven't commented on a single idea stated in them.

You prefer to attack me, rather than the forces out there doing the actual union busting.

typical

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think we all first heard about all that legislation back in 06.

My idea is stop electing people who accept ALEC money. It solves it all.

And if you are really pro union, not just pro Post office, then stop electing people who sign free trade deals.

Until you are willing to accept that your voting record is part of the problem, then we cant move onto the next step, because your baseline actions are self defeating.

Its not an attack. Its the truth. And the truth sucks. We have ALL had to come to that conclusion. Its not a pleasant thought. But its needed.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Unlike you, I find it impractical to live in a hole in the ground and eat oak leaves.

It was Reagan that began dismantling the USPS, so your off by a level of decades....

As far as my voting record?

I didn't vote for this lying teabagge(R), motherfucking liar of a GOP business man.

It's you who keeps making excuses for him, if you bother to say anything at all..

http://occupywallst.org/forum/michigan-gop-not-finished-with-tyranny-yet/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-michigan-matters/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/dismantling-democracy-one-state-at-a-time/

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Voting records are more than one vote for a state governor. Its all tied into a larger issue, one that requires a dismantling of all previous thoughts and emotions and an objective look at the entire landscape, including the people's extremely predictable voting patterns.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Not to worry. It's just market forces. "(R)ight"