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Forum Post: US Plans Nuclear Missiles 300 mi. off China: S. Korea + Taiwan

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 17, 2011, 9:17 a.m. EST by bklynsboy (834)
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If there's no crisis, the US manufactures one. Anything to spend money on the Military-Industrial complex and take away from the 99%.

Since 2007, residents of Jeju Island, also officially designated the Island of World Peace, have been risking their lives and their freedom to prevent the construction of a naval base. This military base, if completed, will be home to both US and South Korean naval vessels and a sea-based Aegis ballistic missile defense system. At last count, more than 125 international organizations were listed as supporters of the anti-base effort.

The planned Jeju naval base facility would have a capacity for two submarines, 20 large destroyers and up to two aircraft carriers. Its purpose, as stated by both South Korean and US military officials, is to project force toward China. Many experts believe that the location of the base will provide a forward-operating installation in the event of a military conflict between the US and China. The Jeju base could become a flashpoint to trigger a large-scale military conflict between superpowers.

Up to three Aegis Destroyers will be present on the base site. That number could rise to six or even higher with occasional visits of US Aegis ships that should be expected. The base also is expected to serve as a temporary port for US submarines and carriers such as the USS George Washington, which has been involved in war-gaming exercises with the Republic of Korea Navy.

China is and will continue to be increasingly concerned about the Jeju Island naval base. The base will create far more problems than it will solve. Contrary to some misconceptions in the press, South Korea and China have positive relations. In fact, China is South Korea's No. 1 trading partner.

What would the US do if China had nuclear missiles at a Caribbean base? This is a reverse Cuban missile Crisis, with the US provoking.

http://www.truth-out.org/protest-heightens-against-military-base-south-koreas-island-world-peace/1323972026

Patriot missiles (Raytheon) to S. Korea and Taiwan. We make huge profits from war.

http://www.defencetalk.com/raytheon-patriot-missile-defense-systems-for-taiwan-39005/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/finnish-government-gives-transit-permit-to-cargo-of-patriot-missiles-to-skorea/2012/01/04/gIQAhiKDaP_story.html

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[-] 2 points by zoom6000 (430) from St Petersburg, FL 7 years ago

N korea,Iran,china, all those countries are future war project to make money for the military industrial complex

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Exactly! Win or lose the US wants endless war for profits. From repubs and democrats.

[-] 1 points by NewEngIandPatriot (230) 7 years ago

I second this comment!

The military - industrial complex (Halliburton, KBR) (FEMA) (various security companies) = DISASTER CAPITALISM

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33788) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Not to worry.

Anywhere that you have a US naval presence, you have nuclear missiles.

Anywhere there is an Aircraft Carrier or a Nuclear Submarine, you have nuclear missiles present.

It has been that way a long time.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

My point is having this omnipotent military is draining the US of money to survive. There are cuts everywhere: health, education, seniors, veterans, infrastructure, home aid, job creation, but the money keeps pouring in to the pentagon. They are structured to fighting the Cod War and Russia, which haven't existed for 20 years. We spend as much as the rest of the world combined on military, but don't even have one bullet train or ice breaker. US is crumbling.

[-] 1 points by fightclub2012 (74) 7 years ago

1st china is not a super power 2nd no one is putting nukes there 3rd we must counter the chinese 4th you obviously have limited knowledge of the world.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

China has surpassed us, or is close in every aspect except military.

[-] 0 points by fightclub2012 (74) 7 years ago

no my friend they will never pass us they don't have the ingenuity to pass us they are all clone drones.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 7 years ago

That remark shows clearly that you are an idiot.

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[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Fact: they surpass us in GNP Fact: they surpass us in energy consumed Fact: They have higher school test scores Fact: They graduate more engineers

[-] 0 points by fightclub2012 (74) 7 years ago

school test scores do not determine intelligence as shown by the failed no child left behind program. it just encourages narrow thought and itemized learning.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

NCLB was s scheme for Bush's brother to sell educational programs. What should schools use to test intelligence?

[-] 1 points by NewEngIandPatriot (230) 7 years ago

World war 3 is on horizon

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Only if provoked by America. The MIC wants endless war, win or lose to keep the taxpayer money pouring in. China doesn't want war; it hold trillions of US debt and is making too much money. Iran is posturing; nuclear war is suicide to them with the US backing Israel's 300 nuclear bombs.

[-] 1 points by NewEngIandPatriot (230) 7 years ago

The money isn't real. Just digits in a computer, or printed on paper. This country has been printing money based on debt that can never be repaid, thi is why the deficit clock grows every day.

USA has been bankrupt since 1933, and operating under HJR 192 ("chapter 11 protection/reorganization equivalent) since

It was never meant to last this long.

The money game just keeps people working for material possessions, etc.

They want new cars all the time, etc so they are assigned a value. This value translates to a type of work value and you work. You want education, house, etc you have to make more money and work more and more. You offer Labor in exchange for money to pay a debt that is created by a bank based on a debt owed to the federal reseeve bank.

It is all debrt on debt, no gold or silver/anything tangible backing curreny.

You, me our property, value of labor, money we leave in bank, invest, purchase keeps the wheel trurning - you me, we & our property are the collateral to the federal reserve bank on the bonds they borrow against us.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Good insight. The world seems to have embraced this system of labor for goods. It can only be changed by everyone going to barter or subsistence existence.

[-] 1 points by NewEngIandPatriot (230) 7 years ago

And then and only then we can have fair trade.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

The nature of man seems to be having an advantage. Regulation and enforcement are needed, but not militarily.

[-] 1 points by hymie (391) 7 years ago

At least, there has been some progress on slowing down the push for war in Syria:

As the result of a significant Russian war-avoidance intervention, combined with splits in the Arab League and strong U.S. Pentagon resistance to another Libya-style military intervention, there are some signs that the London-led forces promoting violent regime change in Damascus are being pushed back, and are in some disarray.

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/21045

[-] 1 points by NewEngIandPatriot (230) 7 years ago

If US pushes too hard, there will be Russian and China intervention. They are to US now as US and allies were to WW2 Germany. I would really not like for China / Russia to drop a couple of a=bombs here and restructure our society as we did to Germany for same acts. In eyes of outside world view that is what US looks like. Thank our corrupt leaders and politicians. The system is obviously hijacked.

Our foreign policy is totally failing.

We have Japan/China and North Korea/South Korea getting along better than ever. If US is pushed further out of the group, they will form alliance.

If this trade alliance is successful, you will see severe demise in our economy.. further aggravated by current downward trend, QE3 and devaluation.

Martial law must be implemented to keep order, recall everything is order out of chaos. Severe economic depression will occur as the war is ramping up

Public will not go for this , chaos and civil war/faction-ism will ensue.

Other countries may seize opportunity under humanitarian effort to take over.

This will be done wit UN and remaining allies, possibly UK will stay out of further conflict.

At same time as all of this, Israel/Iran war & Syrain conflict, we will be spread too thin.

Bombs get dropped here like we did to Japan. This will shock everyone and break will.

Counter strike intercontinental ballistic response, to strategic targets in China, Russia, Iran, etx. This will result in yet another counter offensive from other nations.

This will go on for a bit, nuclear winter, famine, poverty, and whatever is left and whoever is in charge will try to rebuild world unity and peace as this will be only solution.

World unity, one goal toward "human" evolution, one government, one economy, one new religion, one system.

I cannot say all details will happen, but this is trend we are on some details may not happen, slight change of order but the end result of the game is checkmate. No other end possible

The end

[-] 1 points by hymie (391) 7 years ago

Actually, the US could be a part of, or even a leader of the development that's occurring in Asia. If we impeached Obama, and undertook development projects like those of FDR, but on an international scale.

For example, a train route has long been discussed that would connect Siberia to Alaska through a tunnel or bridge across the Bering Strait. The US could be involved in building a system like this that would connect all of Europe and Asia with the Americas through a vast train route.

There are factions in the US pushing for this approach now. It could be done, whether or not it will depends on us.

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[-] 0 points by fightclub2012 (74) 7 years ago

japan and china hate each other you are a fool.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

http://www.truth-out.org/protest-heightens-against-military-base-south-koreas-island-world-peace/1323972026

have not found many links to support this

By Matthew Hoey

A key test issue for the opposition is the naval base that the government is constructing on Jeju Island. Since 2007, residents of Jeju have been risking their lives and their freedom to prevent

The Jeju Island naval base issue now has the potential to become a leading political hot button topic - much more than it is now - if adopted by political candidates vying for National Assembly seats. This will greatly accelerate the no-base campaign's visibility in Korea and in the region.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/ML16Dg01.html

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

the image I posted here is now being suppressed from view here

here is a link http://www.truth-out.org/sites/default/files/20-full.jpg

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Now that N Korea has a power struggle, the US will run and save the world by blowing it up.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

The Ryongchŏn disaster was a train disaster that occurred in the town of Ryongchŏn, North Korea, near the border with the People's Republic of China on April 22, 2004.

Diplomats and aid workers in North Korea later suggested that the explosion took place when explosive materials (possibly dynamite or some form of gunpowder) were being shunted in rail cars, possibly being triggered by a collision with a live electric power cable. This is corroborated by reports by North Korean officials to Russia's Itar-Tass news agency, and by government sources to Japan's Kyodo news service. The material was said to be intended for use in canal construction.

The official Chinese news agency Xinhua reported that there had been a leak of ammonium nitrate, a substance used in some explosives, as a fertilizer, and in rocket fuel. The Sunday Telegraph attributed the disaster to 'the explosion of a train carrying ammonium nitrate' [7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryongchon_disaster

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

With 10 years of Iraq and Afghan wars, we let N. Korea become an unstable nuclear state. Well done.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

I hope that doesn't justify nuclear weapons in South Korea

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Absolutely not. N Korea knows it' suicide to use its bombs. Probably uses the technology to make money globally.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

the technology is 67 years old and no great secret

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Agreed, but they sell weapons and expertise.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

fission tech is good for producing unusable bombs, electricity and so medical procedures

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Unfortunately N Korean weapon sales destabilize regions buying them.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

South Korea, Japan and China are all more successful economies

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

raytheon needs a threat so countries will buy their missiles

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago
[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Win or lose, the MIC doesn't care.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

sales is sales

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

endless war for profit.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

and power

[-] 0 points by FarIeymowat (49) 7 years ago

Just one bomb on Pyongyang is all they need. Just one.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

eh

doesn't NATO drop 100s a year

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

You have no evidence there will be nuclear weapons at the site. Positioning and location of nuclear weapons is highly classified. You can't know.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

I agree

the title is misleading

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Fact: Nukes are carried on US war ships. Fact: US warships will dock at this base. That's the point: force projection.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

Fact: Some US warships carry nukes. Fact: Some US warships will dock at the base. You can't assert warships docking at the base will carry nukes.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

That's what the islanders are unhappy about, possible provocation between superpowers that would destroy their world.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 7 years ago

I agree. There is no way some guy on the OWS forum knows for a Fact where the US is putting warheads.

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[-] 1 points by RogerDee (411) from Montclair, NJ 7 years ago

Warmongering much today?

Heres a concept, the USN doesnt base Trident submarines in foreign countries.

Because if the US based Trident Subs in Korea, the Chinese could track them in and out of the base.

Why would the USN volunteer this information to the world, let alone the Chinese?

Nimitz class carriers are 100,000 tons, but the port is going to be good to 80,000 tons

http://www.asiarooms.com/en/travel-guide/south-korea/jeju/how-to-get-in/transportation-in-jeju/jeju-port.html

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

The point is, nukes based in China's backyard. China isn't an enemy. It's a trading partner. They have trillions of US debt. They don't want a war. They're making money off the US.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Nobody "wants" war, but when people get broke, they start fighting.

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

The military industrial complex wants endless war, win or lose for profit.

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Smeds! Awesome! Connects all the dots! War is a racket!

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[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

does that mean you disagree?

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[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

Nobody's putting nuke anywhere. If you could find this out, I promise you, the Chinese have known about it for months.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

The carriers and missile subs have that capability.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

Just because they can, doesn't mean they are. If word was out that we were loading nukes onto subs and heading over there WW3 would begin. I would be the same situation as when N. Korea stands at the border. S. Korea freaks out. That's just tanks and infantry. If we sat in striking distance, there would be huge reprocussions.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

What do you think our missile subs carry, Roman Candles??????????

[-] 1 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

They carry missiles. They have the capacity to carry nukes. They also have the amazing capacity to carry nothing at all.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Brilliant! The world's most lethal force shooting blanks, costing us hundreds of billions taxpayer money. Your country is grateful you command nothing in the military.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

Nobody's shooting anything. Blanks or otherwise. We have so much money tied up in China(all those fancy "American icon" cars?? Parts are from China). One call from them to call in the money we owe them, or else they cut us off, things would get bad quick.

And trust me, if I ran shit, there wouldn't be half the soldiers out there as there are now.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Exactly the points China and the US will avoid war. Plus they have trillions in US debt we borrowed from them.

[-] 0 points by fightclub2012 (74) 7 years ago

our nuclear armed subs never reveal their locations and they will never.

[-] 3 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

The US is the primary force on the planet for war and destruction. Our largest export is weapons.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

Please see http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/ft900.pdf for a factual description of US Exports in services and goods.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

Your reference says, "The Department of Defense last year told Congress of plans to sell up to $103 billion in weapons to overseas buyers," but never defines the time-frame over which these sales will occur.

The article at http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/06/us-pentagon-weapons-idUSTRE7B500R20111206 does provide an annual figure. It says our weapons exports were $34.8 billion in FY2011 (Oct 2010 - Oct 2011).

Per the export data at http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/ft900.pdf , our exports for the first 10 months of 2011 alone totaled $1747 billion for the partial year.

2011 weapons exports represent less than 2% of US exports in 2011.

Is there any other fact-checking I can do for you ?

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/storysupplement/up_in_arms/?iid=EL

That's the middle east alone. We spend almost as much as the world combined on military and weapons

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

Yes, we do spend more than anyone by far, I never disputed that. I was disputing your claim that weapons are our largest export. They aren't.

We often sell weapons to nations simply so we control that nation's ability to wage war. A modern military can't run for more than a week without resupply, and we control whether they get the spare parts they need. Iran's F-14 fleet, for example, was useless within 6 months after they booted us out.

When we sell weapons, we also have the benefit of knowing exactly what capability the buying nation has, and this too gives us power over their excercise of military power.

If we don't sell weapons, the people who want them will simply buy them from China, Russia, or France, and we will lose any knowledge or control over them.

I don't like the fact that we sell so many weapons, but it may be the least evil of several evil options.

Finally, be careful when viewing these sales by dollar amount. Go look up the cost of an F-15, F-16, M-1 Tank, and Patriot missile system. The dollar figures people quote are really big, but they don't translate into as many weapons as people might think.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

"we" is funny when applied to Nations

so 300 million people know who "we" sell weapons to ?

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

By "we" I meant the US Government/military.

You can know who we sell to as well; our arms sales are very public.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

the US government should belong to the US people

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

It does. The US People elected every single one of our representatives, and they have to approve all arms sales. Proposed and pending arms sales are made public well before they occur, typically several years before.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 years ago

arms sales are planned in advance

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

Yes they are, but there is a lot of time between when they are first proposed to when they are approved and go through. The recent sale of anti-missile systems to UAE, for example, was first proposed under Pres Bush but is just now through approval. There's plenty of time of the public to weigh in if they want. We generally don't.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Good points. The entire apparatus of fear mongering by both parties ensure unencumbered budgets for war at the expense of the 99% and crumbling America.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

I would contest the 'unencumbered.' First, see the historical trend os a percentage of GDP at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_defense_spending_by_GDP_percentage_1910_to_2007.png . Second, remember that the budget Super-Committee, by failing, has now put $600 billion in DoD cuts on the table (see http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/21/news/economy/super_committee_failure/index.htm ).

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

"Unencumbered" was an exaggeration. Try Bloated, disproportionate, excessive, inflated.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

Bloated by your definition. We have a Democracy so that we can arrive at some compromise between the different views each of us have on such matters. All arms sales are made public well before they occur, typically several years before, and all of them are subject to Congressional approval. We don't let our arms manufacturers sell whatever they want to whoever they want. If you or I don't like one, we can lobby our representatives and/or replace them with folks who support our policies on the matter.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Exactly! My writing a letter or phone call to my congressman has zero impact compared to the many millions lobbyists shower on congress to curry yes votes for military contracts. The MIC wants endless war, win or lose, to keep your tax dollars pouring in.

We need 1000+ bases around the world? We need more subs, carriers, jets, new nukes and missiles? THe cold war is dead and we're in a race with ourselves. America is 2nd world. We're crumbling. Everything is cut to keep feeding endless wars and the military. We have lower education and higher death rates than other countries. We have no icebreakers in our fleet and must lease one from Sweden. We have to hitch rides on Russian space rockets. We shut street lights in cities to save money. We have no bullet trains. Our roads, bridges, tunnels, ports are crumbling. We're pathetic. But there's always money for more jets, bombs and wars.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

I'm a huge fan of getting the money out of politics. See my post at http://www.themultitude.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&p=4355#p4355 .

No matter how much money is flowing through Congress, we can still boot them out and replace them with people who will implement our desires. We the People have just been sleeping our way through Democracy, we need to wake up.

Personally, I support what we do with our military, but I also agree that we need to spend a little more time on some other deficits in our infrastructure, etc. I'm in the 3-5% group in terms of income, and I am willing to pay more taxes to fix what ails us.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think we have a future of "endless war." We defeated the Soviet Union and brought down the Iron Curtain. We have as much as defeated China by getting her so connected internationally that she is unlikely to get to military on us (we still remind her to behave just in case she gets expansive, but she'll soon be so intertwined with her neighbors, she wont want or need to be expansionist). We're currently trying to get the middle east connected into the world, and have been wildly successful except for Iran (which is about to fall as well... see http://news.yahoo.com/iran-threatens-action-u-carrier-returns-irna-082124042.html ). All that remains is Africa, and they're not a big military threat. The end of Nation-On-Nation war that plagued the world for literally hundreds upon hundreds of years of war is upon us.

Mankind is finally near fully connected and people are starting to see themselves as citizens of the world rather than local tribes. The economies of the world are becoming deeply linked, and any nation that steps out of line with world opinion risk exclusion to the great detriment of their rulers. The plan has come to near full fruition.

The plan I describe is called "Globalization." It works, and it's near complete.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

You may call yourself an optimist. I wonder if you're awake or in dreamland. Billions of Chinese will never be integrated. The billions in pentagon cuts are farts in a windstorm because even with the doomsday trillion of extra cuts, over 10 years, the military will be at 20076 levels. Still bloated and disproportionate. Furthermore, homeland security, surveilance, war costs, hundreds of billions of veterans' costs, foreign aid are huge, due to wars, and not counted. Your construct is built on a house of cards.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

What's the factual basis of your statement, "Billions of Chinese will never be integrated" ?

".. the military will we at 2007 levels. Still bloated and disproportionate." In your opinion, not in mine. I see America continuing to provide much of the security around the world for the foreseeable future.

Homeland security costs will fall as we integrate the Middle East and the conditions the bred Extremist Islam are removed.

Your construct is built on an assumption there is no plan and that our efforts to bring peace through integration will fail.

Only history will tell whether your or I are correct in our outlooks.

I'm willing to admit I may be wrong. Are you ?

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

Globalization exists to maximize corporate profits. There will be a backlash as people lose markets and jobs with NAFTA approvals by congress. Their sole purpose is corporate profits. People are pushing back with OWS. Unfettered military actions and spending are also on the radar. Things are seriously changing for the benefit of the masses. This is happening globally.

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 7 years ago

Jobs are only lost when there is a large disparity between the standard of living between two countries. As these emerging economies mature, their people demand more pay, shorter hours, more vacations, better working conditions etc. You may be to old to know this, but we were all scared the Japanese would run the world at one point too, and we watched as Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, etc have matured and become less and less a "threat" to American jobs. Look at our trade balances by nation.

At present, the west is struggling greatly because we're trying to integrate a very large labor pool in China. Once they're integrated, wages and balance will be restored. There are no big labor markets left that will be as difficult to integrate as China has been (and will be for a while).

Our defense budgets aren't "unfettered." They are no longer the costliest item in our budget, and they are set to decline rapidly (remember, when the super-committee didn't decide, they put $500 billion in defense on the table).

Globalization is probably driven by profits, but it also yields the "global citizen" and enmeshes countries in relationships that make war very costly. Global citizens combined with economically interdependent countries pretty much eliminates the factors that drove the Nation-On-Nation warfare that dominated human history before 1945.

I'm pretty confident the world will soon wake up and start working international agreements to bring the big multi-nationals back under regulatory control (i.e. global pollution standards, work safety, health care, etc).

I see globalization ending in positives, but it's a hell of a struggle along the way, particularly for those who started strong and are shouldering the negative impacts of trade agreements, etc. In the end, however, I think it represents the natural evolution of civilization away from nation-states to a global mind-set.

You may have noted that I'm an eternal optimist. I thing there are significant things to change and address, but overall, I have faith in mankind's ability to continue progress toward a better, more responsible, and fair civilization.

[-] -1 points by Spankysmojo (849) 7 years ago

How else can we stop them from manufacturing IPads using unpaid children. America stands for justice....more nukes off China coast...until they stop slaving children. Do you hate children?

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 7 years ago

And help America's sick, poor starving children losing their homes from foreclosures.