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Forum Post: U.S. Marine Held In A Mental Hospital Against His Will Because of Facebook Posts

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 23, 2012, 7:54 a.m. EST by john23 (-272)
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[-] 2 points by MsStacy (1035) 1 year ago

This use of mental health laws can certainly be abused, what is the point of the post?

After watching the news article and seeing some of his Facebook posts, it's a close call as to whether or not he's dangerous or deranged. It seems right to at least hold him for the initial 72 hours Virginia allows and hold a mental health hearing. The professionals obviously think he's dangerous.

Each State has set its own standard for involuntary commitment. After the shootings in Colorado, that of Giffords, and those on Army bases, it's easy to see why officials jumped on this.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13676) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Is this individual perhaps yet one more Manchurian Candidate?

First we have to distinguish between simply being radicalized and being programmed. Programming comes as a result of repetition - and may often include various forms of both positive and negative reinforcement. The more punishing the negative reinforcement, the more deeply the conditioning may be set.

Radicalization is similar, the differences may be subtle, but in general it is simply a process of pissing someone off - constantly.

Given the utility of the angry white guy syndrome, I include both types of what I consider very very bad behavior under the heading Manchurian Candidate. Strictly speaking, the movie depicts true conditioning, as opposed to simple radicalization. Since I presume it may be difficult to tell the difference today, and since both forms in my view are as a result of that really really bad behavior I assume the use of the term Manchurian Candidate is appropriate.


. With a more precise understanding of the term, we can now examine telling symptomology:

  • There is a degree of altruism incorporated in his message - as you can see here when he says You deserve to know the truth. He goes on to assert the government is evil, and this represents a significant change in thinking - he did join the military, had he held this opinion of the government at that time then it seems highly unlikely he would have signed up.

    • he insists there is evil planned against us, and that it is great in scope - making such public statements while holding such a belief implies that he is placing himself at some risk in attempting to get the message out.

    • this point should not be understated - especially since it may provide motivation in the future. If he thinks he is taking personal risk, he will be evaluating his encounters with authority to determine if that risk is present during the encounter, or in the future - reception of his message is his primary source of feedback, and will form the basis of his evaluation.

  • He identifies individual portions of federal bureaucracy as complicit in something, and seeks to communicate to them through his FB postings:

    • *Dear men and women in positions of power here may be an indication that he sees a distinction between average government employees and those who are engaged in corruption;
    • within our government, corrupt bureaucrats, corrupt judges and police*
    • and he indicates that he doesn't have time to explain in more depth - possibly indicating a time constraint beyond the norm.
    • He also indicates a recognition that others perceive him as going crazy - indicating he is aware of how his behavior is impacting others, not entirely trying to hide it, but perhaps attempting to tailor his behavior in such a way that it leaves room for the accessibility of his message - because obviously in his mind the message is important.
  • He has expectations of both the American people and our institutions - he says We are Americans and therefore will win out against the corruption; he has an expectation of Justice - these are principles ingrained as a result of the narrative we tell our selves and our children, it has a basis in reality, and the cause of Justice is, in his view at this present time, at some risk.

    • Chem trails show up as a theme in this FB post - I'm not sure where it comes from, perhaps it originated in South America as a result of paraquat spraying; I'm not certain on that point - but this theme has gained traction among the tin foil hat crowd - and since we did use various portions of an unsuspecting U.S. public as guinea pigs with radiation experiments, it is not possible to state with utter certainty that such claims are complete nonsense.

    • NOTE: This is also the only time, based on the evidence we have, where he states explicitly that repetition of the message You are Heroic has power to convince and to alter behavior. It is likely he has found himself within an environment where positive reinforcement for his current behavior has followed this process and the theme of heroism, and it may in fact be based on some of his marine experience, capitalizing on the conditioning he has already undergone as a result of boot camp, or later military training.

  • The theme of personal risk may be seen in this FB posting, and we also see positive reinforcement for his message. Heroism is also a theme repeated here - and it should be remembered that Richard Jewel did think he would go to Atlanta and become a hero - it didn't work out that way even though he did attempt to do something to stop the bombing.

    • It should be noted that in Jewel's case, he won a million dollar settlement with the FBI - they had no clue at that time regarding the nature and utility of such constructs, if they had they would not have been out a million bucks. Also, a year or two later he died of a heart attack. We cannot know if this was by natural causes or if it was chemically induced - but the value of the iconography alone suggests the later.
  • Here we see he has accepted the view that the government was responsible for September 11; this kind of thinking is prevalent among the tin foil hat crowd and yet, rarely are individuals arrested for their behavior as it ties to this belief. I would suggest that some form of reinforcement, some form of personal experience, reinforcing that perception of great evil is what makes the difference between someone who simply holds this belief, and someone who becomes extremely angry and agitated and attempts redress.

  • The last picture in the series of links included in the Forum Post indicate that the revolution is here, and someone will come pick him up to lead it. This is typical of the practical joker who says, do this for me, you'll like it, it'll be fun*, when the reality is actually quite different. It is similar to the Jewel experience, in that Jewel did not end up being the hero he expected.

    • This last also has an element of the spooky - a premonition that comes out twisted, which has the result of warning: You do not want to be this guy, because we will make you the tragic butt of an endless series of practical jokes, and there is nothing anyone can do. Sit down, shut up, and maybe we'll leave you alone . . . It isn't true of course, they never stop. Abusers rarely do.

    • NOTE: I haven't checked the YouTube url, but I note the caption: Big Pun - Brave in the Heart - A Tribute to the Artist This appears to be a possible message, one that only those engaged in his environment will catch. As if he is now creating his own, Subliminal Billboards.


[-] -1 points by john23 (-272) 1 year ago

Its about the legality of it....not the specifics. If they can just show up and take you off without due process that's a little scary. What if they didn't like what some of the OWS were posting on this site and showed up at your house and claimed you were mentally unstable....carted you off to a mental institution.

[-] 1 points by MsStacy (1035) 1 year ago

These laws have been on the books for decades. In some states it takes a psychologist or psychiatrist to make the initial diagnosis that allows you to be held for a short time, often 72 hours, for further evaluation. Often different doctors are consulted.

Like any law there is a potential for abuse, but currently the pressure from the public is pushing authorities to protect. Things like Facebook get the attention of someone and, after the shootings over the past year or two, it shouldn't be surprising that authorities are using the mental health laws in an attempt to prevent more bloodshed.

You're free to express yourself, but if those thoughts seem homicidal then you may be visited in the name of public safety. It's all subjective, are you serious about your threats, do you have the means to carry them out. I can understand your fear, but at this point you're going to have to show that the laws are being abused and there isn't much evidence for that.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Indefinite Detention in action folks..

[-] 0 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 1 year ago

Similar to censoring info about legal action useful to constitutional defense. Such happens here with this concept.