URGENT: to the 72% of NYC Residents who Support Occupy Wall Street: WE NEED YOU NOW!
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 2:50 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
We are gathering at 3PM today at subway stations across the five burroughs. We will occupy the subway, and convene at Foley Square tonight at 5PM.
Contact your friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, classmates, everyone!
Call, text, email, tweet, knock on doors!
Leave work, leave school, join your fellow 99% on the subway and at Foley Square at 5PM!
Facing the most brutal assault on our Democracy since 9-11, New Yorkers must once again stand as one!
Stations
- Bronx
- Fordham Rd
- 3rd Ave, 138th Street
- 163rd and Southern Blvd
- 161st and River - Yankee Stadium
- Brooklyn
- Broadway Junction
- Borough Hall
- 301 Grove Street
- St Jose Patron Church,185 Suydam St, Bushwick
- Queens
- Jackson Heights/Roosevelt Ave.
- Jamaica Center/Parsons/Archer
- 92-10 Roosevelt Avenue, Jackson Heights
- Manhattan
- 125th St. A,B,C,D
- Union Sq. (Mass student strike)
- 23rd St and 8th Ave
- Staten Island
- St. George, Staten Island Ferry Terminal
- 479 Port Richmond Avenue, Port Richmond
Please beware that people are negging comments so that support of the movement gets suppressed and criticism of the movement appears to have way more support than it does.
If you care about national and global perception of OWS, please 'like' and 'dislike' comments that match your personal views.
Bloomberg's office can easily afford a dozen people to sit at computers and upvote comments that are critical of OWS. Don't let the government control how we are perceived by using our own forums and comment pages against us.
Yes at first, I was very disappointed with OWS and the 'lies'. Now, it does not surprise me that Bloomberg or somebody would have people employed to undermine this site - I knew I was smelling something in the air - I wondered was OWS being infiltrated, sabotaged or something - it just seemed unbelievable that the authors of this site could be so stupid to completely derail the good work done by OWS so far in the space of just 24hrs - I guess the real dirty tricks on the part of the 1% has begun - isn't that what they have always been good at - lies, corruption and smearing tactics - what you're saying would certainly not be beyond the bounds of possibility.
Another interesting point is the our national TV service (RTE) in Dublin had absolutely nothing about the events of New York today - yet the BBC did - at least on their website.
However, could you clarify the 'bell' issue - when did it actually start?
Rise New York!
The Bell rang at 930am EST...Which is the time it normally rings.
I'm in the "99%", and I don't like your OWS tantrums, and I'm not being paid to express my disgust for your economically illiterate, misguided "revolution".
Fuck your revolution, right in the face.
I dislike it, 100%
why can't the comments speak for themselves?
up/like; down/dislike: the hierarchy of worse,bad,good,better,best redefines/reifies it-self (read the rules). when did equality define rules?
I am a NYC resident, and if you "occupy" my subway when I am trying to get home to my family from a long day at work, I'm going to be hard pressed not to occupy your face with my fist.
Nicely put
In complete agreement.
Ya, there was never a plan to disrupt your subway service. Just to take the subway to the protests. Calm down.
Congrats for making one of the most stupid comments yet.
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Consparcy much. But at the same time, a half decent programer could do the same for the supporter side....
Believe it or not, those of us with jobs generally dont have the time to sit arround and "neg" your comments. We work, and work hard, which is why we have money. Stop looking for handouts..Go shave, comb your hair, and wait for it...shower-then go look for a job. I grew up in poverty and now make in a year an amount that classifies me as the 1%. I didn't get there by sitting around crying in a park. I worked my ass off for the past 30 years. Seems pretty fair to me. #nohandouts
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That's just silly. You don't really believe that do you?
Yup,it's a conspiracy.
totally man _ I saw the black helicopters myself
Where's my check?????
P.S. If you commit civil disobedience, be ready to be arrested. Don't cry and say you are being harassed. If you break the law, even peacefully, you will be arrested. As it should be. End of story.
we're not upset that people are getting arrested, we're upset that people are getting brutalized.
Don't believe that's accurate
Well, when you fuck with the freedom of others, prepare to stand tall before the man. Break the law, go to jail.
...and .... fuck your revolution, right in the face.
Cheers for NYC Police!
And would that be because they are fighting the arrest? Pushing ahead to commit civil disobedience, even if it means people get hurt? If so, then they are in the wrong and will receive the consequences of their civil disobedience. I don't see police being brutal, I see them trying to control an unruly, out-of-control crowd. Guess it depends on which side you are looking from.
NonParticipant, the civil disobedience is not what's getting people hurt.
If you resist, they will use force that may cause pain. Just go peacefully. You are going to go no matter how much you resist.
the unjust concentration of power and wealth and the mechanisms that keep them in place are what's criminal. not a peaceful crowd expressing dissent.
How long is this charade of "peaceful assembly" going to continue before you realize that it has stopped being peaceful a long time ago? The movement to this point was a calculated attempt at sizing up the police to see just how strong they really are? The real movement to destroy is about to begin and it will be your movement that brings it to them. Look at what happened today and tell me that the greatest amount of restraint seen was on the behalf of police and that it could, and should, have been a lot more than what you got.
As OWS transitions from passive to aggressive, the first amendment stops protecting you. So keep pushing, when it becomes shove, it will get ugly.
your assumption of an uptick in OWS violence is miscalculated. i believe the large majority of protestants shun violence and realize they would be crushed in that sort of fight. the goal now is attracting more and more people to the non-violent fight. the awesome power of the people, ALL stepping onto the street, together, and shutting down the city.....that's where things are going!
If by shut down you mean to inconvenience the 99% of the people that you seek to protect by preventing them from getting to where they need to be. From getting to work on time and costing them precious time and wages and in the evening from getting home to their families. Power to the people that only know how to enact change in numbers large enough to overpower police, goading them into arresting them and then screaming brutality as protesters resist. They are doing nothing to effect change except to make change harder to acquire.
Uptick in violence is not miscalculated. Comparing violence now to when the movement first started is clear to see. The people are getting harder to control and the movement is no longer peaceful. It's getting more and more difficult to defend the actions of this movement under the first amendment as it becomes more agitated.
Mob mentality will win out here and even organizers will lose control. The movement will lose focus on their objectives and it will cease to be important to those involved except to just create chaos.
...unless that is what you want.
1-yes, temporary sacrifice is unfortunate, but nothing valuable is ever achieved without some blood, sweat and tears (WWII, Civil War, American Revolution) 2-the people are "harder to control" because of sheer numbers, not increased violence (30,000 NYPD officers vs 8 mil NYC residents) 3-chaos? no one wants that.
please understand there's a lot of people right now that want to make the world better. because currently, it's not unacceptable. not for you. not for me. not for future generations.
Putting yourselves out there for that sacrifice does nothing for your cause. Sending people out there to attack Police doesn't either. Larger numbers will increase violence. The more people you have, the more will get out of control. Even if everyone in your crowd were all well-intentioned non-violent people will be moved to violence if the crowd is pushed towards it - even by internal forces. Mob mentality prevails every time. I know no one wants chaos, but it's an uncontrollable force.
I know that we want a better world, but a group of people, smaller than a single per cent of the population, can't force the destruction of a world superpower economy and expect to be able to rebuild it from scratch AND make it fair to EVERYONE. I'm not an economist and even I know it's an insane idea. So insane that I refuse to believe that the OWS truly believes in it.
...face facts, you greedy, selfish brat, when you fuck with people, they will fuck you right back.
Now, please, go occupy a jail cell you economically illiterate skidmark.
Fuck your revolution, right in the face.
all of my comments from the account 'conservativerealist' don't show up. so much for 'equality' and 'justice' when the creators of this website won't even allow people to speak out against the OWS 'movement'.
you guys do not represent 99% of Americans - face the facts.
Given what I've been reading on this page, I find your comment simply unbelievable - I'd be more shocked that OWS is allowing some of the gravely insulting posts against them here to remain - if I was running this site, many of the negative posters would be get a permanent ban! If anyone is wondering, I'm not part of any occupy movement, but I do sympathize with OWS.
Rise New York!
Irishman, see you have rules you expect others to follow
Well I can tell you this much - I'm a regular on boards.ie (a popular Irish social forum) and posters have been permanently banned for much less than some of the insulting behavior on this page. I'm an infrastructure enthusiast (road and rail) and on our forums, we just don't tolerate insulting behavior - we have a saying: 'attack the post, not the poster!'
Some people here have no respect - simple as!
Speaking of Infrastructure - we are now having to make do without 2 new Metro lines in Dublin because we have to shoulder the burden of a global social welfare system for the rich (through bailouts, tax breaks, excessive salaries) - these are the people who don't want to contribute to society - they think the world owes them a living - capitalism is supposed to be about taking risks - the current economic system wouldn't even qualify as capitalism - as I said, it is a social welfare system for the rich!
Rise New York!
Well, believe it because it's true. It's as if OWS is a 5 year old trying to yell louder than their friend just so their voice will be heard. They're not the true 99%, plain and simple.
Yeah these OWS hypocrites act just like their cousins the commies and the nazis
Nice one you jerk. Anyone who disagrees with you is a government agent now? LMAO! Yeah you keep on doing what you're doing - keep digging that hole.
Fantastic. I live in Edinburgh, and we are getting the same response, very positive. We are all supporting #OWS like hell. We are really heartened especially by the brave veterans who have come out to protect the Occupy guys against the rogue elements of the NYPD.
To the NYPD police guys out there: my experience of you guys has been great. I hope you will explain to any colleagues that are acting strangely (bullying people) to take it easy. Maybe you could explain to the police seniors that it is not a good image for police to be protecting crooked business interest and hurting the little guy.
I just viewed a video that claimed police brutality as the caption, but there was absolutely no brutality evidenced. OWS members are making outrageous claims, so I don't believe them.
I like how we are now "brave veterans" when two years ago your entitled ass was calling us baby killers...I'm not a part of your 99%, nor should my brothers/sisters in arms be used as such.
That's not fair. I am a veteran myself. I have never called any veteran a baby killer. As for other protesters, what you say could be true. That was in the past. Many veterans now know they got a rough deal. They are also unhappy at the excesses of Wall Street, many who made huge amounts of money with absolutely no risk, while they put their lives on the line for their country. You know this damn well.
I don't know that my ass is entitled, nor that I every called veterans "baby killers".
I don't know how this will turn out but it seems unwise to me. I do not see that occupying the subways is going to be effective. It is going to be a burden to people who make up the 99%. Those from the 1% do not use the subway system. This kind of delay could prove dangerous to women and their safety. They will be stuck in the city into the later hours. Please reconsider this action, if even one woman becomes a victim because of this it will end up costing OWS dearly. I urge you to re-think this. God be with you! Keep fighting the good fight! Keep it righteous! Keep it peaceful! Don't keep it secret! Embrace not disgrace!
I have to agree... all of these guys are really complaining to the wrong group of people and are slowly losing the respect of those who were once in support of their ideas. Now, its about making life hard for the very people they profess to represent... Occupy The Subway - Shut Down The Bridges... thats disrupting life as we know it for EVERYONE, not a very small select group of people. Besides, I stopped joining the protests when I realized when they throw rocks, glass bottles and litterally throw punches at police - when they get arrested and fight like mad not to be thrown in jail, they blame the police and say it was peaceful... I have been to OWS, they put themselves in the position to be injured. They FORCE the police to use their battons because if they didn't, the POLICE would be the ones being injured. This is NOT what they say it is... I know - I USED to be one of them! USED TO BE - I no longer support this...
By the way - you have a 1st Amendment Right to protest - you DO NOT have a 1st Amendment Right to disrupt the lives of others. "Civil Disobedience" is NOT a 1st Amendment Right... It's called BREAKING THE LAW and you deserve every bit of trouble you recieve when you break the law.
What protest was that? I have been to a few and for the most part everything is peaceful. At all big events a$$holes will go to start trouble but, most protesters are peaceful.
I started in the Dallas encampment, spent a week there - then I decided, hey - I'm a blogger, a photographer, and I love a good story... so I decided since I had the time (I am an independent contractor, so I work for myself, and all on a PC so i can work litterally anywhere), a few friends of mine and I hopped in the car, pooled our money together, and decided to go to the HUB of Occupy... we stopped at a host of other Occupy's along the way... the biggest one was in DC but there were a heck of alot of other stuff going on and people were being bussed in from all over the place - we then made our way to Philly and then finally NYC and Liberty. Spent two nights actually at Liberty Square - but decided it was best if we stayed at a friends place in Queens instead because I wasn't feeling very "safe" in Liberty late at night.
During the time there, I took a lot of photos, took some video footage, almost got the crap beat out of me during a general assembly on day 4 because I wouldn't turn off my video camera. Some of the folks were telling me I 'had no right to video tape them'. Really? While they were out video taping everyone else? By day 5 we all realized, this was a real SHAM and it wasn't really about making change and making things better.
OWS is not about freedoms... I saw way too many people told to shut up, that their "free speech" wasn't worth hearing... I heard many ideas on how people who do not think the OWS way needed to be "re-educated" and if they wouldn't fall into place, then they would be either rounded up and put away or just "exterminated" as one teach-in suggested (This was in DC).
I realized, this is not about true American Values and Freedom as put forward in the U.S. Constitution... (Which I studied and have a degree in Political Science and U.S. History - I wanted to be a History Teacher).
Yes, there are the "Peaceful" ones in the crowd, but those few dimwits who cause the trouble are allowed to do so and encouraged to do so. You do nothing about them. And then you complain when their actions cause you to get hurt. Its the company that you keep OWS. If you surround yourself with self-proclaimed Progressives, Socialists, Nazis, Communists, Anarchists - you are going to be called the same - and you will be treated in the same manner that even ONE decides to act. When 100 People are screaming WE ARE THE 99%... and ONE throws a bottle at a police officer... guess what - he represents YOU. If you don't want to be lumped in with them, get rid of them... what do you think the TP did? We made the Racists LEAVE - we didn't hug them and give them cookies... TP's stopped all that... we had the same exact message - but OWS is acting the way the TP was accused of being, actually, OWS is actually alot worse than what the TP was accused of being.
This sounds to me like a complete BS story. Yes, indeed, you love a good story...I just don't buy it.
this would seem to contradict your conclusion that troublemakers are being encouraged, from the Occupy DC website
http://occupydc.org/preparation/de-escalation-guide/
Absolutely brilliant. I am copying this and we will definitely use it here in OccupyEdinburgh. Fortunately we have good relations with our wonderful police here. :)
Very well put. Copying, pasting, and printing.
a bit cryptic, comrade. Are you complimenting me for having found the data, or criticizing me for something?
no no, i was complimenting you and saying i wanted to share this with a local occupy ga!
i think the trolls have us paranoid, haha..
you think so? (looking over my shoulder....) nah....
Its good to laugh.
Jaja! Was just reading, we must have great minds we think alike!
I'd like to see this footage and photos, which has so indoctrinated you against this movement.. If it cannot be produced, then perhaps silence is the best method for your kind of reporting.
You will actually get to see the footage soon... we're editing it all down - we shot about 30 combined hours of footage during our trip... you see two of my friends who came along were indie filmmakers here in Dallas and part of the Dallas Indie Film Society - we though this would be a great thing to document... Unfortunately, over the course of time, we saw the whole thing take a real turn from what was at first somethign really great - to something very dark.
You'll get to see it - I'm sure you will... We've got so much editing to do. We actually WISH we were up there for all of this today - Cody was saying that the contrast from the early footage we got and what we got right before we made the long drive back home is stunning... but to have today on it as well? But we were NOT getting the feeling that things were safe for anyone at all - on any side of this up there in NY and decided we might want to go before we actually really got hurt and not just caught in Pepper Spray. Mike almost had his camera smashed too (not on purpose, just in the midst of a crowd surge).
We met a LOT of incredible people along the way - but we met many many more people who we definately didn't want to be associated or considered "with". You see, you are the people with whom you associate yourself with. If you accept their behavior you become them!
I apologize for my earlier snarkyness, the indoctrinated thing was a bull thing to post.
The truth is, for a protest of this side, facing this level of institutional resistance, the idea that it would feel particularly safe is foolish.
The civil rights protests werent safe, nor were any of the public protests to be had by Gandhi in India. The protests that matter the most have historically been the most unsafe, but never by the choice of the protestors
No, that's not true, the anti Vietnam war movement and national campaigns to legal abortion were not dangerous escapades, or they could never have mobilized millions of people. It was a continual fight by revolutionaries working within those movements to keep them from becoming violent, and it was an ideological struggle over tactics that had consequences in the real world. I don't put the civil rights movement in the same category as the antiwar and women's movements because the heroes who dared to organize against racism before the radicalizations that came later in the sixties and made it safer to protest were incredibly brave. Participants in the civil rights movement were violently attacked, and some were murdered, no matter how peaceful their tactics.
But, thankfully, we don't face anything close to what the civil rights movement was up against, and it minimizes that struggle to compare ourselves to it.
OWS has demonstrators going out of their way to get arrested to make what they think is a political statement. Unfortunately, that political statement is lost on many of the 99%, to whom OWS looks out of control. It's unfair to keep those 99% out of the movement that they, too, urgently need, simply because they might not be evolved enough to know, for example, that the police are the enemy of the 99%.
Please, please, can the leadership of OWS take on this all-important issue, and explain that the goal is to reach, not alienate the 99%.
Thanks for all you're doing, I'm writing this as a supporter and a sometimes participant, when the action's safe to join without the risk of getting arrested. I marched for several blocks on Canal Street tonight, and the energy was great and people weren't violent, but then something happened and I had to leave. Someone said the police were starting to arrest people.
Oh, and By The Way - I was caught in a stream of Pepper Spray last week while I was at OWS as well, courtesy of the NYPD... did I blame the NYPD for it? I did NOT - I blamed the morons who were first just spitting and shouting obsenities at the police - but after about 20 minutes of not getting any reaction out of the officers, three young men (I'd say late teens early 20s - one barely was able to grow the goatee he was sporting) decided to jump over the red mesh holding the crowd back and start "dancing" in front of the police waving their hands around and jumping towards them... the police then pulled out the spray and put an end to it. Took about 30 seconds and the whole crowd was screaming that the police were in the wrong. They did NOTHING about the three characters who actually CAUSED IT - in fact, when two of them were arrested, they did everything they could to get their names to get them help. I got hit with Pepper Spray because THEY were idiots, not because the NYPD used excessive force...
Shall I continue on my experience at Occupy Dallas, Atlanta, some small town in North Carolina, D.C., Philly, and NYC? Or do you understand where I'm coming from now?
Do you think maybe the three idiots were plants?
Oh yeah, I forgot, anyone who actually does something wrong or violent are not part of the movement, they are plants... I was in support - I'm not in support any longer... I don't have to "produce photographic evidence"... The evidence is all over the place - I just didn't see it until after I started actually LOOKING for it. I apparently blindly walked into a movement that I apparently knew nothing about when I got involved...
There can't be anyone involved with Occupy Wall Street who wants to be disruptive, and create anarchy right? Don't make yourself out to be a moron like the three morons who caused ME to get pepper sprayed.
If you can't own up to the fact that you have people who are there who have no other reason to be there but to cause trouble, and you guys are allowing them to participate and do what they are doing just because they add to your numbers in front of a camera and help you try to get video tape of "police brutality" then so be it... You're not even worth the breath it takes to even read your question...
this would seem to contradict your conclusion that troublemakers are being encouraged, from the Occupy DC website
http://occupydc.org/preparation/de-escalation-guide/
When confronted by law enforcement or security, it is absolutely critical to remain calm, and to not escalate tense situations. Sometimes, that’s not as easy as it looks. This handy guidebook thing is here to help you. Read it, memorize it, love it. This is your bible for when things get tense. Back off! Literally. Take at least one to two steps back, to show you are not being aggressive. Take a deep breath. This is not for screaming. This is to make you pause before saying something in anger. Do take your hands out, in clear view, in front of you, showing you are not holding a weapon. Not in your pockets. Do not point, shake your finger, make fists. These are aggressive and threatening. Bad idea. Do not turn your back at any time. This makes it look like you are ignoring them. Not cool, bro. Do apologize. Even if you aren’t in the wrong, apologize. This can go a long way to de-escalating the situation. Do not be defensive or judgmental. Nobody is automatically in the wrong. Do not accuse or threaten. If you do this, rest assured, you are in for a world of trouble. Do not yell or scream. Raise your voice CALMLY if you need to do so to be heard. Do respond calmly to questions, no matter how rude the other person is. Do empathize with feelings even if you disagree with the behavior. Cops have it rough too. Do not argue or try to sway them to your side. We’re de-escalating here, it’s not the Oslo Accords. Do listen to what the other person is saying. Don’t just dismiss it or tune it out. Seriously. Listen. Do acknowledge the other person’s concerns. You’d expect them to acknowledge yours – so you
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It is truly unfortunate for all of us if you or anyone else leaves. You are strong minded and I can read in your posts that your heart is also in your words. OWS is not beyond reproach because it is striving to do good. Even the most beautiful flower wild or gardened comes of the earth and to cultivate it properly one must get their hands dirty. Please reconsider, even though I do not agree with some of what you said, I respect that you said it. Especially now we all need one another for the sake of exactly what you stated, the genesis of this revolution is at the root of that which can and will flourish but our growth must be stronger than the power of demise and disintegration.
You are coming from the gutter. We know.
What’s wrong with gutters, they channel the rain.
Sounds like you and your friends had a great idea with good intentions, but be careful because there are reports of possible plants at many of the occupy sites... That's not to be taken for granted. Their goal: to discredit the entire movement even via subtleties like irate behavior, and schmuck-isms.... most of us are extremely chill and just want to be heard..
(google Gladio in italy, what Gladio did worked at crushing uprisings...)
Robindallas, you must be very exhausted from all your trolling. Tell me, how many personas do you post under? And are your posts under your alter egos as pathetically transparent as this one? I would have expected employment as a troll to require competence in dissimulation. But, unless you are the exception that proves the rule, I was wrong. Does your employer recognize what paltry returns he is netting from your trolling? Surely he could reap better rewards from his investment by hiring a typing monkey. No insult intended if you are in fact a monkey
I have contributed in many ways to a variety of labors, prostitution, drug dealer, two of my most lucrative trades, chef, performer, song writer, the list goes on. I once posted on LJ for a friend of mine that had passed away and I was pinned with the term troll for it. Online we are not always who we say we are, perhaps he is being paid to interject slanderous posts. Although I am a seer I am not clairvoyant, I hope you are absolutely sure in regards to your accusation. Either way, its not serving to include but exclude. If just one person who is as you call it trolling is eventually moved by OWS and thus resolves themselves to supporting OWS is that not a good thing.
I think I'll go block your front door for the next week so you can't go to work, because MY opinion is FAR more important than your insignificant little life, so you should make that sacrifice for MY demands. Sound fair? No? Then stay the FUCK off the subways you assholes!
They didn't block off the subways; you're full of it. All they did was go to them and allow speakers to talk, exactly like they said they would. And if you block the front door, maybe I'll go into your back door.
Stay off the subways? You have problems.
Idiots blocking the subway is a problem for everyone.
Jimmy, you seem to be a little lost. The reply links are directly below the posts.
Sorry about that Christophe :-)
You do realize there are women who actually (gasp) LIVE in the city, don't you? And that after work many of them actually don't run straight home?
I was referring to women from outside of the city, you do realize that not everyone that takes a subway lives in Manhattan, not to mention tourists or I suppose that you have all that under control like security at the OWS camps. Now why don't you tell me how many women have been sexually assaulted/raped at the OWS camps to date.
You really don't have a concept of who you are talking to... if you did you would see how amusing your response is.
That's the point of anonymity. Leave your ego at the sign-in.
I don't think there ever was a plan to disrupt subway service. Occupy, yes, but not shut down.
Agree 100% and good point about the 1% not using the subway.
This is about spreading a message, not disrupting service.
That's an utter lie - it is ALL about disrupting service... there are reasons why you beat people who attempt to videotape your little General Assembly / Mic Checks - because thats where the truth comes out... This is not about making change - this is all about disrupting the lives of the very people you profess to be supporting and speaking for.
You DO realize, that no matter what you do - what you say - the so-called 1% will continue to be the 1% and the only people who will suffer from it - are the 99% as you call it...
Oh - I'm part of the 99% and you do NOT speak for me.
and the likelihood is that you are being paid by opponents of OWS for your work. Time will tell, because once you put your film up, someone's going to find out who you are and for whom you're really working. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologize, but as of right now, given the way your syntax has moved from disappointed supporter to implacable opponent, I'd say I'm probably right.
But stopping service is a disruption. People have to get home to their families and this will only create more dissent towards the movement.
I've been called a troll more than once for daring to say the same thing. I was supportive of this movement but I've just about had it now. And I can see there are many out here feeling the same.
Why is that? You know that there will be a lot of adverse publicity. Also, demonstrations can be disruptive. No one likes this, but sometimes it is necessary if things don't change. Note that Wall Street is still trading, and they are hurting innocent people every second of every day.
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You and me both. I'd like to see some real leadership, a concise set of wants, and requests to meet with political leaders to ask them to do something. IF they comply you keep working with them. If they don't, then prostet en masse.
That is kind of like pissing on my pant leg and saying, this is not about piss, stop looking at your pant leg, listen to what I'm saying instead.
Then why do it right as all NYC schools let out? You realize there aren't school busses in NYC right. Kids use the subway to get home. Kids as young as 12 and 13 travel by themselves on the train to get home from school. Bad choice of time, bad way to protest.
It's been brought up many times, nobody seems to care. I guess the kids trying to get home in the confusion and chaos are "a small price to pay." Wake up OWS people here care enough to tell you to stop doing stupid shit!
You seem very educated. Let me help you since I'm a mere street punk. I know you wrote "unwise", but you really wanted to write something else. Let me write it for you so that your mother doesn't drop off the couch. I'll take the blame, don't worry.
I don't know how this will turn out but it seems so very freaking utterly stupid and insane to me.
I lived in New York City for nine years and you might want to check the rape stats for those who use the subways after certain hours, which was my point. Occupying the subways, women who normally do go home and don't stay to play in the city are not as savvy about schedules etc. as those that do. This makes them vulnerable all they have to do is miss one train and take another and end up on a platform they are not familiar with. If you want to appease yourself by trying to insult my concerns it is your right to do so. As I stated above, if one women falls victim to any crime because they were forced to step out of their normal ‘time to go home’ routine it will cost OWS dearly. In the nine years that I lived in New York not once did I read or hear about a person of male gender being brutally raped or gang raped in the subway. That is not to imply that men were not victims of sex crimes or might not be. I support OWS, I do not support this action! In case you are unaware women residing at several different OWS camps have already fallen victim to sexual offence to include rape. Apparently this is not of any concern to you, as it proved itself of no concern to anyone else at the time at the OWS camps where sexual assault/rape did occur.
Clearly you raise very important points to consider. People have a right not to be raped.
Many events in this world go unseen, and on occasion, those things need to be brought to attention. The world is a vast and complicated place. Somehow, we must balance priorities, all of which are important. I'd guess that before the end of the day, more people will be killed in automobile accidents than were ever molested by Coach Sandusky. It is not that OWS is demonstrating to promote rape or that rapes do not occur in NYC when there are no ongoing demonstrations. Rapists are responsible for rapes. Stop the rapists.
What is also true is that Wall Street itself is not holding public events to call attention to some of what it is doing. Parts of it are working feverishly as quietly as possible and out of public sight to gut the regulations that would thwart a repeat of the kind of economic disaster which played a major role in ruining the current economy, an economic rape-like event in which the value of hundreds of millions of people's homes were devastated and many job opportunities were destroyed, while some of the 1% merrily road off with a lot more money from it all.
Somewhere, there must be a balance between remaining silent and allowing things to continue in there usual patterns and calling attention to important things that are being ignored, as Wall Street hopes will happen.
Certainly there are questions as to how far one goes to legitimately call attention to acts that have victimized so many; but then again, it might make some thoughtful people ponder what the hidden meaning of Wall Street phrases like "bad for business" really mean with regard to certain financial regulations. Does it in some cases mean bad for the business of scamming the world of its overall wealth and into the hands of a few?
Those who say no probably believe there are no rapists lurking in the subway system.
Did you read what I posted, or are you just ranting in the wind? The only disagreement I have with you is that you use a word that is much too soft: "unwise". I think Occupying the subway is "so very freaking utterly stupid and insane." Next time, read what I write before posting. There's no use ranting in the wind around here. You can choose much better targets.
Jaja! Once again I was not posting my replies correctly! Thank you for the critique! Got it. Trying to pay a lil more attention now.
Glaucon... You are absolutely correct in your statement... And I think Violet figured you were being "sarcastic" and trying to mock her...
OWS had a bit of widespread support when they started... but that was when everyone was still believing that this just "sprang up" out of nowhere... once people started putting the dots together, the support dwindled down to almost nothing. What needs to happen now is NYPD needs to stop dropping charges and letting people go on thier own Recog... let them show up in court, and actually start charging them with the crimes they are committing. Even if its as simple as Jay Walking when they stand in the street. Once this stuff starts piling up and they create a permanent record, they'll see what damage they are causing themselves.
I dropped out of school in the seventh grade but started leaving school midday in the third grade. I don’t see the need to add insults on comments, I don’t care to deal with cyber hazing at OWS.
I wasn't insulting your comments, I was saying you write very well and seem to educated to want to use harsh words. I was giving you a compliment. Ah shucks! Never mind!
You are all dorkable ... I posted my replies in the wrong places, jaja got confused for a moment and I replied like I was at tumblr. Awwwww. Forgive me everyone for my mistake, hope everyone that responded finally got to their rightful reply. Well.. I do know this much, its like when I am talking to someone about ‘Christianity’ and they get defensive and say, “Just cause we are Christians does not make us perfect”. No it does not but it damn well better make you closer to it than everyone else cause otherwise what is the point. OWS needs to look out for one another and we need to be better than that which we oppose. I don’t mean for a moment that I feel like being a part of OWS makes all of us family cause I am not looking for an OWS global family. That is just a hell of a lot of like and I have no desire to force myself to like anyone because we are fighting for our rights together through OWS. As far as women and safety in the subways, it might be different now I lived in NY in the 1980’s. I know that if I missed a train I sometimes did end up in some scary ass dangerous places. I could handle it but my friend on the other hand could not, once when we were approached she started crying and shaking. I just told the guys that she was crying cause she just found out she had aids. Of course then they look at me and I just tell my friend, “I told you not to sleep with me.’ they left. I’m rambling, its been a really long day. I don’t know what happened tonight in NY and I want find out so I leave you all with a whole lotta love straight from my heart to yours! God bless! Good thing there is no HTML posting here. Could you imagine that? @Glaucon Thank you.
That's the best anti-rape tactic I have ever heard. Awesome. You are a quick thinker indeed... ;-)
I am sure I could get a heap of PC voices but yeah in a scene like that one has to be on one toes. We need a better way to communicate to one another online.. Not like a social site but how do we keep in touch? Keep commenting and create an endless stream:) How are you? I do so want to be in NY I just have not been able to get there, not yet.
Occupying the subways doesn't mean jamming them.
Take note - OWS moderators are DELTEING and CENSORING statements and posts that calls them out... I've watched two of my comments disappear now...
This happened to me as well. All I did was recount my experience with OWS in downtown Brooklyn today.
yeah because this forum is being completely overrun by trolls and infiltrators
:01 p.m. ET- ABC News’ Aaron Katersky: Mayor says “far fewer” than the tens of thousands of protesters predicted. “Minimal disruptions” caused to city life.
What a waste of a day go back to occupying mommy and daddy's couches you morons
The Mayor is not qualified to make that call- he has not been seen anywhere, nor have the police been counting. We have. So, who deserves to be believed?
There were magical unicorns encircling the 10k protesters as well right?
32,500
I stand corrected- police scanners estimated around 12,000 people at that time. Go Unicorns.
Actually the police in all the subway stations are on radios and this evening I watched them reporting the number of protesters they saw to each other. Not taking action or approaching them, just taking notes.
Who are the moderators, and is that true
you are more than welcome to take a screenshot of your comments, and email the moderators, and demand an explanation. Please recount your sheep before crying wolf.
That'd be really easy if the comments were still there... screenshot and email the mods that they deleted what you took a screenshot of... Really? Think before you post...
I was not referring to those events which have happened- merely that it is a good idea to do in the future if you are writing things which you believe could result in an unwarranted deletion.
This is common, well-known forum wisdom.
The fact that there are so many people on the same wavelength as me at the top of this board (you being one of then) leads me to believe that either:
Happy to see all you like minded, rational people so far and hope we can speak some sense to this insane clown posse.
dying, not dieing
moderators can't like or dislike, i believe. if a moderator could chip in and clarify..?
Can you prove that they can't? Did you write the site? I could build one that allowed moderators to do this. Why don't they show an audit of who likes or dislikes a comment similar to other sites?
i think that's a good idea- it'd certainly help make it clearer as to who is trolling and who isn't.
And I recall something in one of the earliest discussions about how the site should be put up... trying to find it now
Old hippie fuck I need your help. Need help making a t-shirt. We need to draw a picture of Zooccotti Park with a cage around it. Here are some ideas: Draw a hippie climbing the cage like a monkey and throwing shit. Draw a hippie rolling in mud and shit like a pig. Draw a hippies fucking like dogs. Draw a picture of a hippie eating peanuts like a big fucking elephant. Draw a hippie as a lazy fucking Ape doing nothing.
Define "Hippie" for those of us with a less sophisticated sense of linguistics than your own. Then define indoctrination. Then define neo-liberalism.
If you define the first correctly, but still think that we apply to it, then chances are, you don't have a clue about the second two.
Julius Streicher was hanged at Nuremberg.
REAL CHANGE - we need young progressives IN OFFICE. Occupy on the streets, fine, but OCCUPYING YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT is where it counts! If you're passionate about changing the flaws of this country, get political. We need people with INTEGRITY in the government, we need this generation to be adequately represented! The congress is corrupt, their pockets are being lined by corporations - fact. GET INVOLVED.
Why progressives? You say we "need" them in office, How far left progressives do we need? I have an Idea for wealth redistribution, Salary cap of 35K per year for every one, I think that would be good idea
seriously - who would neg this comment? Who disagrees with young people being involved in politics? Go ahead and say something.
Im just going on a limb here, but its not the young people in politics, its that its only one type of people you want in politics. What we really need is a balance of all so we dont swing our selfs out of control either way.
That's the problem - no one in OWS cares enough to get involved and follow the legislative solution that has been in place since the birth of our nation.
Hear me out on my simplified version of government (bear with me): 100 citizens make up a nation. 99 citizens (99%) want change. Assuming 100% participation, inevitably one of those 99 will be elected to lead our imaginary land and represent the true majority.
That's not the case because OWS is NOT the true 99% and they have misplaced passion. Their passion should not be protesting and complaining about 'police brutality'. This whole 'revolution' idea won't happen - it's childish.
Question: Do the 1% ride the subways?
Answer: No
Some do. Look at Bloomberg. He does. My boss who earns half a million every year does. Plenty of the wealthy do, because they take Metro North or LIRR into the city from their fancy homes in the burbs. So, yes, it impacts them. It also is tactical to get cops busy dealing with the subways so that the bridge protests can go off at 5 pm. You think you're smart, but you're not.
Bloomberg does for show. Not because he needs to. Not a lot of the wealthy do, and they don't do it at 3pm. If they do it at all it's after work hours, 7 or 8 pm. But if they work late, they usually get car services.
The 'wealthy' that are taking Metro North and LIRR really aren't the 1%. They might be upper middle class, but that is still far from the 1%.
You don't even know who the 1% really are. Your boss who earns half a million a year is NOT in the 1% or even close. The people riding metro north are not even close. Come on.
And you really think they will today? You people are a joke and care nothing about the 99%. All you care about is what YOU think is right and FUCK the rest of us.
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RIght, the 1% can afford taxis and car services. They'll steer clear and the rest of us will suffer.
we're all suffering together, buddy. what do you think it's fun sleeping in the park and getting beat up by cops? try to see the bigger point
The point is that the actions that are being taken DO NOT affect the 1% by any means. Why hurt the people you claim to support by mobbing public transportation. It is simply illogical.
please, you misunderstand. the misery inflicted by the 1% on the lower classes, over the last 40 years..it's a travesty. wage cuts, jobs outsourced, increased healthcare costs, debt...foreclosures. OWS stands in opposition to all of this. It stands with YOU. college hippies may be the ones crazy enough to sleep in a park and fight the cops, but the ideas of OWS are shared across the country, across the world even.
They sure are. We have our gangsters here to. These people do no good, only line their own greedy pockets. What has happened to the 401 K plans? They are worth a lot less, even though the DOW index has almost doubled. Why? It is because they are being plundered by the greedy Bank Execs and their super staggering bonuses.
if ur not smart to realize it then u need to go back to elementary school
No one here is complaining about your boss. These Wall Street types are making the same EVERY DAY as your boss makes in a whole year. They do this by just withdrawing the profits of the Bank. They are straight up gangsters.
Yeah, that's just not factual. Like any other industry there are levels of earnings. There are people who work harder than others. There are people who make a lot and people who make ends meet. Anger and assumptions don't make facts. And no I don't work on Wall Street. But sure as hell if someone told me in High School to go get my MBA so I can make a lot of money, I probably would have.
I'm on wall street and we aren't all crooks. We also don't make half million/day. You can pretend though and spread the venom around.
Actually, some of you do make $500,000 per day, and more. And that is just the traders, makng money where someone has to pay. These cases are clearly documented. The people don't like you. Your own mother probably doesn't like you. People were honorable once. There is no honor in Wall Street, only greed. Is the message getting through?
Fuck your revolution, right in the greedy, childish face.
A lot of the 1% lawyers I worked for did take the subway to work, which surprised me. They were so incredibly smart about money, and had tons of it.
Its not about disturbing the people, its about getting the attention of the 1% and the government that they cannot kick the 99% around and expect no actions to be taken
Kick us around we will stand on your bridges! muhuhahahaha.
Uhhh okay, now what?
U got it
and if u don't know were does the money that u pay in the subway go Umm. Let me guess-> to the 1%
Actually, It goes to run the subway, Do a little research and I be you will find that the city subsidies the subway. I know in some fantacy of some people, It doesnt cost money to run a subway / college / govenment / company / ect, But they all have experiences. So yeah, keep dreaming.
no all the money goes to running the subway, and as to college most people have to pay for it, as for the government i thick they are bathing in the money that does rich people are paying the, And for so many taxes that the people pay you would expect public school to have textbook and books that are from this era and not to be so over crowded ( were is all that money going b/c it has to be going somewhere, and it not coming in our pocket0
most people do pay for college, but have you ever looked at the cost of teaching a class, over half of the money is subsidized by the 1%. As for the government, there spending over 1,000,000,000,000 MORE than what they take in. Remember where the term 1% is from, they ALSO pay over 35% of the tax.
if they pay so much, how much are they paying u to say this, because is that 1% that u love so much that got the US in death, may be if they didn't jump and go to war and made useless investments we wouldn't have this problem
So, how about this idea, How about every one pay the same across the board? Im not even close to the top 1%, but I can tell you im tired of paying taxes as I work my ass off every day to have someone demand that there stuff be free, witch in turns raises my taxes even more. But you dont care about me, and the fact that your going to take from me, now do you? How about I take from you instead?
were not taking anything that we don't deserve, and its not only you that has to pay taxes. If people don't have jobs how do you expect them to pay taxes. If people cant go to school because they don't have money to pay for. Do you know what its like to wake up in the morning every single day of your life and not know whats going to happen with you in the future. Why not answer my question how ,uch are they paying u to act like a total a##hole and discriminate agains hard working plp. shame on u
What do you "deserve"?
If people dont have a job, they would have to pay 29%(Im told thats what it would be, not sure though) of there income which would be $0....
No doubt if they dont have a job, there on unemployment $1000 / mo max, section 8 housing lets be conservitive and say $550 /mo, food stamps @ $450 / mo and there states health care system. that total there income to around 2000 / mo or 24000 / yr. Now I know not every one gets this out the door, but usually with in 2 -3 yrs. they are. Now, Its very hard to break away from the system( Belive it or not, I know, My family was on the system), So why would you want to keep a family at that level of poverty for there life? Why not encourage them to be successful?
People can go to school. There's financial aid (paid for by tax payers). I went to school on financial aid, and so did my friends, most people dont have the money to pay for college on there own. You can do it. Also alot of job's offer tuition reembursment. The excuse its to expencive is for someone who is afraid to fill out a simple form.
Who is paying me? The Small company I work for? Yeah, I have a job. Looking at the breakdown, Im around the 60% mark for income. My effective tax rate is somewhere in the 24% area.
" Do you know what its like to wake up in the morning every single day of your life and not know whats going to happen with you in the future. " Yes I do more than you could ever think. How about not knowing how many times I would be shot at that day?
well that system that u love so much doenst help everyone get outside your house and find out
So you're kicking around the 99% so the 1% will notice? They might notice but they won't care because it doesn't affect them.
OWS is not kicking the 99%, its getting money in their pockets and better education for their kids
How? By making it hard for the 99% to move around the city they live and work in? Not everyone in NYC is rich. Most of us aren't.
no, b/c the 99% is standing there with OWS
No they're trying to live their lives. They might support you in spirit, but people who need their jobs and need to get home on time to relieve their babysitters are not there protesting. They're working hard to make ends meet.
them being with us is spirit is all we need
and if they are not im sure they support it
How is disrupting the lives of the "99%" going to get the attention of the "1%"?
the point is to disrupt people's passivity. that's all that matters right now. and a democracy where the population actually participates scares THE SHIT out of the 1%.
where do u think all the money that you pay in the subway goes? it jumps right into the pockets of the 1%
No it doesn't. Do you really think the MTA is rolling in it? LOL Even the top earner of the MTA isn't a 1%er.
well were is it going, b/c its not coming to our pocket, and all of it is not going to the mta b/c the trains are all crappy. Let me guess maybe to the 1%. maybe you should get a job other than getting pay to go along with what the 1% say we already have enough with the politicians doing it. U should be ashamed
It actually isn't 99%, only a few who are causing all the disruptions and who are following political, paid activists.
I am sure that if they could they wouls
To all those who are upset about being inconvenienced: This is the price you have to pay for change. The same complaints could have been said for protest over ending the Viet Nam war, civil rights, etc. If they didn't protest, occupy the streets, these problems would have taken longer to change.
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Maybe we don't even want change? I love how you assume we all want your jobless asses out there making life hard for everyone else while you complain about people making more money than you. Go home. I can speak for myself, dipwad.
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They do not care what you want. OWS has decided that a few thousand people should be speaking for everyone because, in their infinite wisdom, no one else is capable of articulating what they want.
So what you are saying is that they are the 1% of the 99%?
The 1% of the 99% does not represent me!
We are the 98.01%
Gotta love their idea of "democracy".
It is a proud American tradition, you know.
In other words you don't care who you inconvenience because you're right and you're doing it for the people you are inconveniencing. You people are really sad and could care less about the 99%. All you seem to care about is your agenda,what you think is right,and to hell with the 99%.
fair point. i hate being bothered by panhandlers on my commute too. but if this movement is to grow, a key component of that growth is the disruption of everyday life. i mean- we're just so accustomed to the daily, honky dory flow of events (broadcast to us live, via the corporate media). the people need to be woken up! unfortunately some people can be grouchy when someone wakes them up in the middle of the night. but you know what? it's time. occupy the subway.
If you behave in an obnoxious manner toward people yes you will "wake them up" but once they've gotten out of bed and put their boots on their going to stick the toe right up your ass.
yeah you're right. some people are just lousy, indifferent a-holes like yourself.
So if you behave in an obnoxious manner toward someone please tell me what you expect their reaction to be. Or, you can call me another name.
no i like a-hole
OK I gave you a 'like' for not bullshitting me with some bullshit.
I understand the protest. I understand the desire to be heard.
I'm concerned that this method of portraying the perspective of the "99%" is being heard more by the 99% than the 1%. Look at what is happening, subways are being held up, people are being delayed to and from work...You're inconveniencing more of the 99% than the 1%. Inevitably this will cause rift amongst the 99%. I can already see it happening with the feedback from NYers commenting on this post.
I'm confused where this is going and believe its headed down a rocky path of whiplash actions from those of the 99% who are confused as to what your end goals are and where you are heading with these protests.
I don't want to see video's of police brutality because of whatever is going on in the street. I want to hear what this movement is going to do to make change. How is occupying streets, subways, and bridges going to sway change.
Answers are kindly appreciated.
Wish I was there. (I live in Asia)
For all of you that are concerned about different aspects, I don't like to say it, but you fully deserve what the 1% is doing to you. You can not change the world by watching TV. Change is ugly, and that's how it should be. It hurts, but the goal is much bigger than ""arriving safe home" after working another day in one of the 1% camps. Independence was not gained by the ones "distrubed" by the subway not working properly. World is with you. The positive energy has been released, it;s in the air, everyone can feel it. Just that some are affraid of it. Don't give up. And for the rest, try to support as much as possible the movement, even by not standing in their way. God bless you all. Waiting forward for a new society, where each opinion counts, where "national safety" will not be taken enymore as an excuse for not taking the responsability for the actions.
You need to turn your energy to fighting the right people not each other. Some of these comments make me want to steer clear of the subway and bridge. I'm not saying that I don't see some of your points like does the 1% take the subway? Idk I feel like they take car services but that's just me. Am I concerned that clogging the subway will do more harm to the 99% than to the 1% absolutely. Am I going to disrespectfully shut someone ideas down because I happen not to agree absolutely not! We need to support each other no matter what and find I more productive way to share our concerns. Some of these comments really not constructive or helpful....
I don't think occupying subway is a good idea.
The media is so funny, this one news caster channel 11 the person who works with Craig said, now that the movement is over....." are you kidding! Its embedded in us now!! Then states they will "occupy wall street on today -Thursday by taking over trains..." But I thought it was over as you stated!! Ridiculous, so in a hurry to silence OWS! Funny we are just getting started!! OWS WOW Good Job!! Good job this fight continues and will not ever stop...FYI OWS is not a movement it is a REVOLUTION!!
NYPD worst Police DEPARTMENT in the UNITED STATES!! Rape-let go, police brutality-acquitted! You Will be JUDGED! The world is watching...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIZ3ZWRpA5s&feature=colike Romania
thank godness my helicopter is working
I said in another forum & I'll say it again here... "This is getting ridiculous. This movement needs to direct their anger at the appropriate entity- CONGRESS. Wall Street wouldn't be able to do what they do without the support and legislation from CONGRESS. Who writes the tax code and all the loopholes? CONGRESS. I agree with some of the principles of the movement, but it is harming more regular people than it's helping. If you send a message to government by not re-electing incumbents regardless of party you will send a powerful message to CONGRESS. "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson"
Again, what is with every one thinking we have a Democracy? It's a Republic.
The media is so funny, this one news caster channel 11 the person who works with Craig said, now that the movement is over....." are you kidding! Its embedded in us now!! Then states they will "occupy wall street today, on Thursday by taking over trains..." But I thought it was over as you stated!! Ridiculous, so in a hurry to silence OWS! Funny we are just getting started!! OWS Good Job!! Good job, this fight continues and will not ever stop...Just in case OWS is not going anywhere it is not a movement but a REVOLUTION that is here to stay that continues to grow!
FYI MEDIA do not distort: The Democrats support OWS!!! Who do you think is backing the party!! The GOP/tea is doing worst now with blocking what would help the US and all for greed, retaining power and a vote, WHILE WE SUFFER. Which is not an opinion but fact!! Look at the CURRENT CONGRESS!!! PROUD Conservative, no, none, non affiliated with the Republican GOP/tea, ashamed. We recruit societies low percentage who talk about minorities ( Asians, Blacks, Gays, Latinos-Italian, Hispanics, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews, Indians), then elect a new congress that block all with no benefit too this great nation and these people blame him? Honestly, blaming the current Chief, really. You people put the current new congress in and what have they done? Not one thought on you, when will you learn. The current president has done more in 3 years than the last president has done in 8. First thing when in with new Congress attack Social Security (that was funny) the majority of the tea are Seniors, the GOP doesn’t care, fact. Stifling progress with blocking every bill that could benefit the U.S. because it affects the taxing (by a small margin with little affect, to the 1% salaries-what minus a servant! ). But, most importantly to gain control anyway possible with stifling, lying, misleading all for a vote! Just in case the 1% are very small yet those who receive 3 cents on a dollar support them settle, like cattle! You have got to be uneducated if you stand behind the GOP/tea, indep (who support limited or no government). No progress party but a step back to the United States of America! OWS tactics are good and just. I believe in them, good job-standing up for America!! OWS Keep up your message, the world hears you.
This USED to be a good cause, it had now turned into a bunch of whiny hippies with no motivation who think they're owed something. The cops should have beat more of you, GO GET A JOB AND QUIT YOUR BITCHING YOU'RE PATHETIC.
You compared this to 9/11?! What the hell is wrong with you?! Thats like saying the rain today is comparable to Hurricane Katrina. Did you even think before you typed that?
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The fact that you compare this to 9/11 is disgusting....seriously you have problems...also 72% of NY does not support you....stop making up numbers and writing propoganda that has no truth in facts...
Do you know why the number of comments keep climbing, but the last comment is about 43 minutes ago? Because you guys have been deleting posts.
And you can keep deleting dissenting messages, which only shows what a bunch of hypocrites you are!
This only hurts the 99%. The 1% don't use the subways, they don't work for the MTA, and they won't even notice. This is detrimental to the cause.
Just. Watched more of the live stream of The Other 99 and it's just plain and simple mob mentality.
I'd love to join but I usually finish work around 6 (I start at 9 but took a long lunch with some co-workers). I can maybe make it by 6:30 but it depends if the subway will be delayed.
OWS losers, does it occur to you that the 99% people you allegedly represent actually need to get to work to make a living (to pay for the clean-up of the mess you created), and after the work is done, they actually need subway to get home?
Forget about the blogs, they're being overrun by the opposition and various other clowns. Think - Teach - March - Occupy! I'm outa here.
Comparing this to 9-11 is disgusting, and whoever wrote that should be forced into a lesson of what actually happened that day. That is one of the most offensive things I've ever read, and I didn't even have a loved one die that day.
please, occupy capital hill. those are the delegates who claim to represent us - at least the CEOs never claimed to be our voice. washington let politics be influenced by money --- interrupt their lives.
Good Job OWS! PROUD Conservative, no, none, non affiliated with the Republican GOP/tea, ashamed. We recruit societies low percentage who talk about minorities ( Asians, Blacks, Gays, Latinos-Italian, Hispanics, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews, Indians), then elect a new congress that block all with no benefit too this great nation and these people blame him? Honestly, blaming the current Chief, really. You people put the current new congress in and what have they done, not one thought on you, when will you learn. The current president has done more in 3 years than the last president has done in 8. First thing when in with new Congress attack Social Security (that was funny) the majority of the tea are Seniors the GOP does not care. Stifling progress with blocking every bill that could benefit the U.S. because it affects the taxing (by a small margin with little affect, to the 1% salaries-what minus a servant!) and most importantly to gain control for a vote! You have got to be uneducated if you stand behind the GOP/tea, indep (limited or no government) no progress but a step back to the United States of America! OWS tactics are good and just. I believe!! OWS Keep up your message, the world hears you.
Live stream of the march heading to Union Square:
http://www.ustream.tv/TheOther99
Why are you going to occupy subway stations? If your goal is to stop people from going to and from home, you have the right idea but I have to ask why?
OWS need focus on only one central issue and support the OCCUPIED Amendment by Rep Ted Deutch - read it. . Supporters, re-post this in every comments section repeatedly of every related story - we can bring this to the forefront. Corporate Personhood is THE root cause of long-term loss of democracy in our republic. If took over 100 years for the oligarchs to slowly subvert the US constitution - this constitutional amendment is the root fix to reclaiming our democracy. Expect this to be fought by big money more than any other piece of legislation in the entire history of our nation - it is the single biggest threat to the 1% control of America. If there was any single issue OWS should focus on, this is it. This is the epicenter of the 1% power - and it ought to become the central battleground for OWS.
I've been reading all these comments, and it's really vitriolic. I guess I will just say... there are extremely relevant issues on both sides of this argument, but there is an important difference... the argument against OWS is fighting the people in it, the argument against the corruption of our financial and political system is against a structure that has been built by law, and those laws have been modified to provide advantage against others. Saying that the protestors are fools is easy, maybe many of them are. But they aren't forming a system in which the rules are slanted for the entire population. Many politicians are fools too, in no way equipped to lead as a wise man or woman. We deride them but still give power to their creed... why do we not unite and strike them down with vitriolic hate, instead we strike only the dissidents of that system which has been corrupted?
The idea that the movement of OWS as an idea has been corrupted is false… the idea is still completely accurate and pure. Deriding the protestors involved its completely separate of deriding the idea behind the movement, and that is a message in itself that can reach any decently rational individual anywhere in the world. The fact hat the political system of the United States HAS been corrupted is accurate, and that the people involved in it are not entirely but largely false in their motives in regard to protecting the people is completely accurate and pure, just as the idea behind America is still accurate and pure. So, here we stand, with two systems, both whose ideals and ideas are accurate and pure, only those involved have polluted them. One system, America as political capitalist, has corrupted itself so far as to begin changing it’s own rules to slant the playing field towards the ambitious top earners and inheritors. And another, OWS, a civil disobedience movement that has become corrupted by the fact that the 99% don’t adhere to the harsh realities they are fighting against because the 99% are middle of the road individuals who are still largely indoctrinated and do not understand the causes of their woes so in order to break that attention span and cause turmoil the civil disobedience has begun using radicals as pawns. Both are foolish, unsustainable, and ultimately going to fail as a structure eventually in history without rewrite. But at least the micro structure of OWS is working like a virus, it’s idea still pure, spreading through out the larger system in way that will effect the macro structure of the U.S. political landscape, hopefully breaking the shroud of indifference and apathy that has crushed America’s ability to regulate it’s leaders, whom in turn have lost the ability to regulate themselves. All foolish children, all lashing out, leaving us with let’s beat each other into shape then, if that’s what we must. That is not particularly wise either, but actions are taking place and will continue, that is certain. BEtween doing nothing and doing something, these people chose to do something. Deriding OWS for it’s failings isn’t nearly as easy as deriding the rest of the U.S.A in creating an experience in which OWS need exist.
Very bad idea which will drive a stake through the heart of OWS.
Actually, that percentage IS pretty accurate - http://www.observer.com/2011/10/fox-news-web-poll-on-occupy-wall-street-sentiment-backfires/
where do you get your stats that 72% of NY support OWS? more ike 20%. The more you goons disrupt everyday working people trying to get to work, the more you lose their support
This whole protest has been a shining success and an example to the rest of it. I hope the younger children are getting the message also. OWS is cool.
Yea but go with peace in hearth without conflicts. If you make conflict you get power for Pharises
please if one doesnt agree with what the other is doing. voice your opinion in a subtle manner for you do not truly understand what the great city of newyork is going through so please do not call us stupid for acting on our beliefs. thank you.
please if one doesnt agree with what the other is doing. voice your opinion in a subtle manner for you do not truly understand what the great city of newyork is going through so please do not call us stupid for acting on our beliefs. thank you.
I think I'll go block your front door for the next week so you can't go to work, because MY opinion is FAR more important than your insignificant little life, so you should make that sacrifice for MY demands. Sound fair? No? Then stay the FUCK off the subways you assholes! and comparing this to 911, you fuck.. if you were in front of me right now I'd fucking smash the snot out of you for that disrespect.
I used to live in NYC and for GOD'S sake and all our sakes, PLEASE get leaders together to ask for what we ALL want: BRING THE JOBS BACK HOME!!! For all American corporations who continue to send work over seas, PENALIZE them with heavy tariffs/taxes/fines, whatever. The fantasy that this is the only way they can compete in a world economy is the BIG LIE, since the profit all goes to the top few who hold most of the major stocks, and to the CEOs. DEMAND Congress draft new laws! PROTECT OUR WORKERS IN THIS COUNTRY. World Economy does NOT work for this country IF all our jobs go overseas!
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It's funny...it's as if the protestors have more important things to do than the critics...all I hear is hate on these things which leads me to believe that critics aren't down there engaging them or at their local occupations....I am a participant of an occupation in Cedar Falls Iowa and I experienced a lot of this, the criticism is much louder and more obnoxious than the support. I had way more support than criticism though ;). So keep going occupiers, keep going and NEVER let these people get you down. There is more support than criticism by far.
Why are we disrupting subway services to the middle and lower class residents of this city? We should disrupt the black livery car pick up areas where these fat cat Wall Street honchos get picked up? Also, why are we utilizing social networking sites such as Twitter & Facebook when these companies also represent the 1%?
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Very smart occupy wall street occupy the very thing that helps the 99%...how stupid...and by the way since a message is looking for jobs why don't you look for jobs instead of blocking the streets of the other 99% who want to look??
Good to be here - glad to join your ranks. My keyboard; your sword!
The Police are totally right!!!! protest doesn't mean civil disobedience... which mean braking the law. I Have to pay taxes to pay the police O.T. so who are they hurting the 99% not the 1%
Every single one of the 72% of NYC residents are simply that, NYC residents! You can't fix stupid!
I happened to pass by the OWS people in downtown Brooklyn. It was only about 30 people, but man I haven't smelled that much pot since I was 19 years old. Maybe some of you should look into getting some help. The local farmers market was disrupted (and I wanted to buy some honey, but the guy closed up his stand early because of you - he was pretty angry). I would have thought farmers would be on your side but man, another farmer guy I spoke to was ranting and raving about how you guys could spend 2 months in a park, but didn't have time to look for a job. He was pretty funny actually. Why do you guys want to make enemies of us average joes?
you people are all fucking retarded! get a job and stop whining!
Or why not march to fucking White House? Call, mail, email every politician we can? We can learn from past demonstrations as there are pros and cons. We need organization, we need proper representation, we need to march to powers that be, no more interrupting civilians, but the people in the big offices writing the big checks to the guys that fired you. We need to attack the ones who don't have to worry about tax cuts, student loan and credit debt. I'm a musician a hip hop artist, maybe we can use artist from all walks of life to educate and promote awareness about the issues that are affecting us economically.
I have read many comments from those who don't understand why the protesters are going to the subways. My take would be that the protesters are trying to draw attention to the movement, its power and its determination. The more media, the more people are learning why things are as bad as they are in this country. The movement is still growing, and needs to pivot. I wish the GA would elect spokespeople to deal with the media; perhaps the movement could go indoors, holding regular "occupies", coordinating everything via social media. We need professional assistance in regrouping, and branding the movement for what it is: a demand for change from the status quo of a tilted playing field which benefits the 1%, to a level stage that provides the same burdens and opportunities for everyone. Presently, the 99% bear the burdens, while the 1% enjoy a grossly disproportioned share of the opportunities.
Everyone who supports OWS is f'in retarded. Yes, the system is unfair. Get used to it and quit bitching. Why don't you go get a job, or an education and make something of yourself, like the 1% have done? It's because you're all lazy and want a handout, for sitting on your ass. Guess what, the world doesn't work that way. I'm part of the 99% but you don't see me crying like a pansy, asking others to feel sorry for me and give me what they've worked hard to achieve. Get a life losers!
So, you come here to insult people and call others losers. You are a real winner, son.
4:01 p.m. ET- ABC News’ Aaron Katersky: Mayor says “far fewer” than the tens of thousands of protesters predicted. “Minimal disruptions” caused to city life.
What a waste of a day go back to occupying mommy and daddy's couches you morons
stop blocking my post OWS.org.....what happen to free speech !!!!
How about stop supporting the big Banks and businesses so much and support the smaller businesses? How about not complaining about getting to a job 30 minutes late? Some of the protesters got laid off and not everybody can get a job 1-2-3. Urge for the protesters to get proper leaders and representation. Of course when a crowd forms you have a few bad apples, but to say "I support whatever actions the NYPD take to rid us of you" is ridiculous. Don't be so quick to support a department that has a longer history of police brutality and wrongful arrests over a few possibly misguided individuals. Plus why are non-supporters logging in to say anything, just ignore it.
.Stop the Freddie and Fannie Mae bonuses being paid to these executives who are still in debt to the American taxpayers. Sign the petition and your automated letter will also be sent to Congress opposing these pay-outs.
http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/5485/fight-fannie-mae-bonuses/
OWS IS 99% out of mind!
if this ways the 60's , 70's , or 80's all the OWS would be bleeding...so I give the police a lot of respect for the way they have acted. So all u spoon fed kids living off daddy and mommy stop crying how bad the police are!
How did you come up with 72%? Granted my circle may not be that huge, but I am a NYC resident and everyone that I know is nothing but frustrated by OWS.
push a cop in the chest and get slapped upside the head!!!!!! Think about it! if you walked up to a cop on the street one day and just pushed him what do you think is going to happen? Hello sir, how are you today? NO ..... you will be Face down on the ground and a Free trip to jail. Public servant doesn't mean you can abuse them when you feel its the right cause.
I live in New York all they are going to do in the subway is sit there and hand out fliers. People don't realize that the economy and income inequality are only getting worse. Ows wants to stop it before it is so bad that everyone is rioting.I love how everyone knows everything about Ows without even going to one rally and without major news covering it.Ows is just the beginning of people standing up if you think it will be perfect than something is wrong with you.
i am a rich ceo and my addiction is profit and power. i am a junkie for cash, my motto is profit at any cost. i am addicted to profit and power to such a degree that i am in denial. i am in denial about my actions and the consequences of my actions. i will lie, manipulate, steal, and pillage my own family for profit. i am a narcissist and i distort reality to fit my sick individual narrative. i get the shakes if i don't get my profit fix, i could get violent too.
BREAKING DOWN THE WALLS taken from http://www.beyondrevolution.wordpress.com
To: All those who wish to fool us, The long standing era of your rulership has finally begun to wane. Your Colossus of global dominion, astride from land to land, who conquers in our name, has done so for the last time.
We are the tired. Exhausted from your exploits. We are the poor. Robbed of our futures. We are the wretched yearning to breathe free. We are the beaten and abused. Victims of your subjugation We ARE the 99 percent. So take heed, we are the many and you are the very few.
We have awoken now in this new day with a perfect burning question: why have we allowed ourselves to be contented? Contented with the most menial of allotments? Exactly how is it that we have succumbed for so long to an existence of subsisting off the scraps of those we make rich?
Know this! The real power has always been with us! We built this city. We built this civilization, and not the self-aggrandized CEOs, Bankers and Politicians. Not the vendors of poverty, violence and injustice. We, the people, and not the establishment have always and exclusively been the force that has fed, clothed, sheltered, protected and healed the peoples of this earth. We erected those skyscraping monoliths, paved the roads, laid the bricks, forged the steel and set the foundations of this civilization!
Just ask yourselves, did the one percent toil as we have? Did they spill their blood, sweat and tears upon the soft earth to win their fortunes? Or have they achieved such great wealth by riding the backs of the workers? All this and to top it off they bar us from any real participation in the affairs of our civilization, our communities and indeed to an extent our very lives claiming all the while that we lack both the wisdom and the virtue to do so ourselves.
Is this the world we should be working all our lives to enjoy? Is this what our forefathers and indeed many of our peers around the world have died for? When the first peoples of this earth set out to make a better life for themselves, did they envision this? Could they imagine the people of today, who’ve laid waste to this earth for the benefit of the few? They have raped and pillaged this planet and beaten the human spirit into docile submission… until now!
Now it is time! We must set out upon this world and seize back the right to our interests here in civilization. It is time to liberate the human spirit from the bondage of war and greed, so that we may realize all our wondrous potentialities. To not only have great ideas and beautiful dreams but to possess the freedom to act upon them. A world whose only limitations are that of our individual creativity and imagination.
It is time to stop waiting for someone else to set us free. It is time for breaking down walls. It is time to heal our planet and each other. To stand as one with a voice of over seven billion, uninhibited by the geography of imaginary lines called borders.
My brothers and sisters, we struggle in order to secure a new and better future. We believe that a better world is possible and that it is in fact more probable than the continuation of the one we find ourselves in today so do not despair at the odds against us. Some people spend their entire lives waiting for something worth dying for. We are here today to create instead, a world worth living for. A world worth loving for. We gather here not to beg in protest, our global movement is far more than that. We know that for as long as there are masters there shall always be slaves. The one percent will always need us, today we stand in a new realization, that we do not need them! The revolution has begun for we are here today to celebrate the birth of a new and better world for all mankind.
Episcopalian Bishop of NY writes letter of support and states the truth about the immorality of capitalism: http://stanneswashingtonville.dioceseny.org/2011/11/bishop-mark-sisk-writes-in-response-to-the-occupy-wall-street-protests/
I grew up in NYC for over 42 years and say Kick all the OWS out..... none of them even live her.....all they are doing is giving everyday workers a problem with there commute, the POLICE are making a tone of O.T. which NY Tax payers must absorb. OWS is hear for one reason... T.V. coverage!!! Go to Washington DC where the true problem is President OBAMA and all the politicians in that Town who take corporations donations and help wright laws that effect are country ! The Police are doing a great job. keep it up!!!
This is what democracy looks like? The whole world is watching? --- are you not embarrassed OWS? Yes, the whole world IS watching, and the whole world is saying "what do you have to complain about?
Have you even listened to yourselves? Tens of Thousands (even hundreds of thousands) in College Loans, Degrees and can't find a job, your car payments are too high, you may have to move into an apartment because you can't afford your mortgages, a cup of starbucks coffee is $4.89 (unflavored, just plain cup of coffee)...
Yes, the whole world is watching... the whole world is saying - we WISH we had your problems... We WISH we could go to college.. we WISH we could SAY were being foreclosed on our house because we wish we had a place to live... we wish we had the problem having to pay 4 dollars for a cup of coffee... we wish we had a dollar let alone four, we wish we had a slice of bread.
As you tweet on your 400 dollar phones, broadcast video from your $1500 video camera, and use your $800 iPad and Laptop - remember... when the people who rose up in the Arab Spring rose up - they were living in squaller (worse than the reported conditions of OWS encampments) and many have died because they rose up.
Yes, the whole world is watching some of the most well off people in the world complain that they don't have enough and deserve more.
This is what democracy looks like? OWS? I want nothing like it... I like the way I live - I don't want to live like OWS has lived... to me, that is not what democracy looks like...
I've seen what "Democracy" looks like... Mr. OWS? You are not democracy... you are anarchy...
This is what democracy looks like? The whole world is watching? --- are you not embarrassed OWS? Yes, the whole world IS watching, and the whole world is saying "what do you have to complain about?
Have you even listened to yourselves? Tens of Thousands (even hundreds of thousands) in College Loans, Degrees and can't find a job, your car payments are too high, you may have to move into an apartment because you can't afford your mortgages, a cup of starbucks coffee is $4.89 (unflavored, just plain cup of coffee)...
Yes, the whole world is watching... the whole world is saying - we WISH we had your problems... We WISH we could go to college.. we WISH we could SAY were being foreclosed on our house because we wish we had a place to live... we wish we had the problem having to pay 4 dollars for a cup of coffee... we wish we had a dollar let alone four, we wish we had a slice of bread.
As you tweet on your 400 dollar phones, broadcast video from your $1500 video camera, and use your $800 iPad and Laptop - remember... when the people who rose up in the Arab Spring rose up - they were living in squaller (worse than the reported conditions of OWS encampments) and many have died because they rose up.
Yes, the whole world is watching some of the most well off people in the world complain that they don't have enough and deserve more.
This is what democracy looks like? OWS? I want nothing like it... I like the way I live - I don't want to live like OWS has lived... to me, that is not what democracy looks like...
I've seen what "Democracy" looks like... Mr. OWS? You are not democracy... you are anarchy...
^^^^ This...
I don't think this is a good idea.
This smacks of a desperate and unwise attempt to snatch victory from the jaws of a temporary set-back. This is not the way forward. You need to re-group and calm down. You don't represent the '99%'. You are trying to help them but you need to Connect with them first. This takes time. You have made a good start but you cannot expect to keep 'trumping' every Card that the Authorities play. If you have the Support that you claim, then you can start again in a few days or weeks, after things have calmed down. To resort to 'occupying' subways will not work. How about finding a sympathetic person with influence, New York is a pretty Radical City, to provide a Safe Base from which to operate from? That would be the smart move, instead of trying to perpetuate something which may have now run its course. The public need to see your Alternative in Microcosm. If all they see is Anarchy and Disruption, you play straight into the enemies hands. You should be a Model of Discipline, Vision, Example, Self-Help, Knowledge. That is how it seemed in the beginning but now you come across as a bunch of desperadoes. You probably think that I am a Plant or a Troll. I am not. I do Support you but this is not the Way Forward. Think Again.
i have never been so proud of a groupe of people in my life as I am of the owm protestors today, I am in a Salt lake city hospital fighting for my life with lukemia, or I would be with you, finally a people who stand and fights, power to all of you, you have brought tears to my eyes today, Scioeconomist kevin d. blanch 11/17/11 UNITE THE CLANS
Are you protesting against New Yorkers? Against people who work in New York who commute? Why would more people support you if you inconvenience them?
Good Job OWS!! The media is so funny, this one news caster channel 11 the person who works with Craig said, now that the movement is over....." are you kidding! Its embedded in us now!! Then states they will "occupy wall street on today -Thursday by taking over trains..." But I thought it was over as you stated!! Ridiculous, so in a hurry to silence OWS! Funny we are just getting started!! OWS WOW Good Job!! Good job this fight continues and will not ever stop...FYI OWS is not a movement it is a REVOLUTION!!
"First Amendment: Protects the freedom of religion, speech, and the press, as well as the right to assemble and petition the government" United States Constitution
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire
FYI MEDIA do not distort: The Democrats support OWS!!! Who do you think is backing the party!! The GOP/tea is doing worst now with blocking what would help the US and all for a vote, greedy, retaining power WHILE WE SUFFER. Which is not an opinion but fact!! Look at the CURRENT CONGRESS!!! PROUD Conservative, no, none, non affiliated with the Republican GOP/tea, ashamed. We recruit societies low percentage who talk about minorities ( Asians, Blacks, Gays, Latinos-Italian, Hispanics, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews, Indians), then elect a new congress that block all with no benefit too this great nation and these people blame him? Honestly, blaming the current Chief, really. You people put the current new congress in and what have they done, not one thought on you, when will you learn. The current president has done more in 3 years than the last president has done in 8. First thing when in with new Congress attack Social Security (that was funny) the majority of the tea are Seniors the GOP does not care. Stifling progress with blocking every bill that could benefit the U.S. because it affects the taxing (by a small margin with little affect, to the 1% salaries-what minus a servant!) and most importantly to gain control for a vote! You have got to be uneducated if you stand behind the GOP/tea, indep (limited or no government) no progress but a step back to the United States of America! OWS tactics are good and just. I believe!! OWS Keep up your message, the world hears you.
Please make this action about spreading the word and not disrupting service. BE PEACEFUL! Calm. Non-violent.
Forget about the blogs, they're being overrun by the opposition and various other clowns. Think - Teach - March - Occupy! I'm outa here.
These are growing pains. Nobody ever said revolutions were supposed to be easy. The temporary discomfort of the few (very few, in the grand scheme of things) is well worth the good of the many. This affects everyone in our country, even around the world. One of the main points of this movement is to draw attention and get people talking. It's working. My apologies and also my sincere thanks to the hardworking people who are making sacrifices (voluntarily or otherwise) to make some positive change in this country. <3
Those of you comparing OWS to anarchy are obviously ignorant of both.
do some independent research, stop regurgitating bullshit you've been fed growing up, and most of all, open up your mind.
FURHTERMORE, from what I've heard this isn't going at all the way that anarchists want it to go, and if you can't even handle this shit, you'd better be grateful for that.
It is very easy for those who don't live or work in NYC to call out for support of a movement that has done nothing to help the wrongdoings in our Gov't. Has anyone even considered the impact a 3 pm " Occupy Subway" move will hurt all the kids who take the trains home from school? This isn't the burbs with private buses taking your kids to and from school. Take this movement to DC where the real decisions are made.
Protesting financial corruption in the financial capital of the US makes perfect sense to me.
I've pointed out many times, this is the time of day kids are commuting home from school. Don't mess up the kids getting home safely or that 72% is going to drop faster than the Dow.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/ows-protesters-chant-follow-those-kids-as-small-children-try-to-go-to-school-on-wall-street/
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This is exactly the wrong thing to do.
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72% that supports OWS? So by that percent you are not the 99%
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OWS is the worst attack on our democracy since 9/11.
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Don't know where you fools get your numbers. It's more like 72% of NYC residents think you're filthy dirty slobs. You make up numbers like the Democraps do. What a coinincidence.
You are showing what you are more and more every day. Go home dopes.
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if you idiots block my commute home, you will be sorry.
What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously
Yeah and they should start kicking puppies too. Lots and lots of puppy kicking. People would definitely pay attention if they kicked puppies.
No thanks, this movement is retarded now
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What the protesters should do is teach the World,and the State of New York a lesson that will never be forgotten. I think if the 99% can shut down the Macy's Thanks Giving Day Parade it would show the rest of the World how strong you really are. Trust me everybody will really start believing,and taking things seriously
Also, they could swing bunny rabbits around by their ears. That would show everybody for sure.
This is a BAD idea. Do it in the morning, disrupt the work day. Make it impossible for the wealthy to collect their wealth. Do NOT do it at the end of the day, keeping people from going home. Learn from the bay area BART shooting protests over the last few months. This will backfire if you do it in the evening.
The hippy movement, all that janis joplin lsd love flowers charles manson etc. shit during the vietnam was actually a void 'revolutionary manner', that was 'proposed' by the dark side. So is the wank-in-tent-revolution 15O.
This protest has ruined any hope. Poor planning and ignorant people ... Thanks OWS people for ruining our hope ... Time to go home ... game is over.
The media is so funny, this one news caster channel 11 the person who works with Craig said, now that the movement is over....." are you kidding! Its embedded in us now!! Then states they will "occupy wall street on today -Thursday by taking over trains..." But I thought it was over as you stated!! Ridiculous, so in a hurry to silence OWS! Funny we are just getting started!! OWS WOW Good Job!! Good job this fight continues and will not ever stop...FYI OWS is not a movement it is a REVOLUTION!!
Fuck your revolution, right in the face, you selfish illiterate brat.
Who are some of the people who make up the 1%? Barney Frank and his bunk buddy on the Board of Directors at Fannie Mae
John Kerry
Nancy Pelosi
Oprah Winfrey - Avoiding taxes in California by monitoring her days present to avoid residency requirements.
Harry Reid - Making millions from his ear marks and special deals in the Senate
Michael Moore with his plush multi-million dollar home. He is as much of a money grubber as the next 1% preying upon the 99%. Do you think he would ever let you rest your weary head on his designer sheets?
Beware the rich liberal for he takes campaigns to take money from the rich and give to the poor only he keeps more than he gives. Beware the rich liberal who looks upon you as the useful idiots. Beware for tomorrow they will install themselves as your masters and all dissenters will be whisked away to their Socialist re-education camps. Beware for what you wish, you may just get it ...Who are some of the people who make up the 1%? Barney Frank and his bunk buddy on the Board of Directors at Fannie Mae
John Kerry
Nancy Pelosi
Oprah Winfrey - Avoiding taxes in California by monitoring her days present to avoid residency requirements.
Harry Reid - Making millions from his ear marks and special deals in the Senate
Michael Moore with his plush multi-million dollar home. He is as much of a money grubber as the next 1% preying upon the 99%. Do you think he would ever let you rest your weary head on his designer sheets?
Beware the rich liberal for he takes campaigns to take money from the rich and give to the poor only he keeps more than he gives. Beware the rich liberal who looks upon you as the useful idiots. Beware for tomorrow they will install themselves as your masters and all dissenters will be whisked away to their Socialist re-education camps. Beware for what you wish, you may just get it ...
Who are some of the people who make up the 1%? Barney Frank and his bunk buddy on the Board of Directors at Fannie Mae
John Kerry
Nancy Pelosi
Oprah Winfrey - Avoiding taxes in California by monitoring her days present to avoid residency requirements.
Harry Reid - Making millions from his ear marks and special deals in the Senate
Michael Moore with his plush multi-million dollar home. He is as much of a money grubber as the next 1% preying upon the 99%. Do you think he would ever let you rest your weary head on his designer sheets?
Beware the rich liberal for he takes campaigns to take money from the rich and give to the poor only he keeps more than he gives. Beware the rich liberal who looks upon you as the useful idiots. Beware for tomorrow they will install themselves as your masters and all dissenters will be whisked away to their Socialist re-education camps. Beware for what you wish, you may just get it ...
i think you mean the .72 %
BLOOMBERG the PIG is SPEAKING. NYPD: Police Brutality-acquitted, Police Brutality-acquitted!! Complaints of Police being hit--Who CARES!! The media is so funny, this one news caster channel 11 the person who works with Craig said, now that the movement is over....." are you kidding! Its embedded in us now!! Then states they will "occupy wall street on today -Thursday by taking over trains..." But I thought it was over as you stated!! Ridiculous, so in a hurry to silence OWS! Funny we are just getting started!! OWS WOW Good Job!! Good job this fight continues and will not ever stop...FYI OWS is not a movement it is a REVOLUTION!!
Who are some of the people who make up the 1%? Barney Frank and his bunk buddy on the Board of Directors at Fannie Mae
John Kerry
Nancy Pelosi
Oprah Winfrey - Avoiding taxes in California by monitoring her days present to avoid residency requirements.
Harry Reid - Making millions from his ear marks and special deals in the Senate
Michael Moore with his plush multi-million dollar home. He is as much of a money grubber as the next 1% preying upon the 99%. Do you think he would ever let you rest your weary head on his designer sheets?
Beware the rich liberal for he takes campaigns to take money from the rich and give to the poor only he keeps more than he gives. Beware the rich liberal who looks upon you as the useful idiots. Beware for tomorrow they will install themselves as your masters and all dissenters will be whisked away to their Socialist re-education camps. Beware for what you wish, you may just get it ...
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You guys are the best!
I would like to know the reason that some one had to put their cigarette out on my BMW this morning. I am 24 years old and started a company while I was still in high school. I choose to live on Wall and am constantly harassed by you guys. I am not a banker but an entrepreneur. I am not a follower and thats why I am successful. You guys need to be more constructive with your time... I had to change gears because of the economy and you must too it is an embarrassment what you are doing.
The fact that you compare this to 9/11 is disgusting....seriously you have problems...also 72% of NY does not support you....stop making up numbers and writing propoganda that has no truth in facts...
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The big question is, how do you think this "day of action" affects the 1%? What 1%er is taking the subway, ferry terminal and all of these other place of "action"? The answer is none, just us 99% having to sacrifice more time to some poorly thought out protest! Thanks for making a difficult commute worse for the rest of us. Why don't you guys go to central park west or the upper east side and camp out in front of the 1% apartments? Take your plan of action to 5th ave, where the 1% shop.
Question: Do the 1% ride the subway?
Answer: No
Yes, Bloomberg rides the subway!
Proof: http://gothamist.com/2007/08/01/mayor_bloomberg_29.php
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So, 72% supports the 99%. I guess 72% should be enough to form a political majority. You should be able to put in a Mayor that agrees with you, Congressmen that agree with you, and possible effect the Senate and Governors race in the future. I'd say work on some Congressional Runs for 2012. Perhaps a couple Green Party candidates? How many Congressmen represent NYC?
Basically, a few people from your "ranks" need to start running in some Congressional Primaries. Heck, you can try for each party in each district and go with what you get.
Please reconsider this. it's an obvious mistake to do this. Hire strong lawyer and security guard and continue occupy parks. That's what I would recommend
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Did you really subtitle this "Facing the most brutal assualt on our Democracy since 9-11"?????
Obviously those writing the headlines are not from NY and have no experience what our city was like 10 years ago. Sorry but my relatives are not being forced to make a decision to jump or burn, bodies are not being lost forever, thousands are not dying and most of all the spirit of being one Country is not present. OWS calls cops pigs on a regular basis - on 9/11 we knew the police were with us and our friends. OWS makes fun of the workers - many of whom worked in the towers 10 years ago. OWS - has people who threaten violence by producing recipes for molotov cocktails and saying they will throw them at a store crowded with children. The OWS has become a fringe movement at best. There are many many many ways that a small encampment in lower Manhattan is nothing like the war that happened across the street. You have lost the support of this firefighter. May God grant you the wisdom to see the light of where justice lies.
Seems the occupy assholes are sending the cops to the hospital not vice versa. You people are being led to your own doom Wake up and get out before it is too late!!
you can delete comments all you want, the face of the matter is your "cause" is nothing but a load of lies you're spewing. People see what REALLY goes on and how people REALLY got hurt just because you say someone was hit in the head by police doesn't make it true. There is a TON of people who watched that little twerp act like a moron and hurt HIMSELF.
This whole movement is just utterly rediculous and hypocritical...if your going to blame the banks for their risky lendimg practices which contributed to the wall street crisis in 2008 then fine, but none of you guys seem to realize that gov institutions such as fannie may and frddie mac have been doing things like this since the early 90's. How can anyone possibly deny the hypocrisy here??? The mta didnt do this to us, macys and wall mart didnt do this to us, rich people didnt do this to us. The GOVERNMENT did this to us, yes that means president bush too. On top of all this the attitudes toward the police is absoulutly erronious as well. While im willing to concede to the undenible fact that there are few overzealous cops running around, that is not grounds to assert the rediculous notion that all cops are pawns of wall street and the 1 percent?!?!? If you'll indulge me for a moment, thats equivilent to this ENTIRE movement being used as a scapegoat for politicians to jump on the bandwagon to get themselves elected. Maybey instead of making a mess of zucotti park, and "occupying the subways" (stopping your fellow 99% from getting back and forth from home and work, maybey you can call up your rich 1% funders like george soros and hollywood and all that, (note the further hypocrasy), maybey you could save a few bucks on premade signs and whatnot, and use that money to fund one of your intellectuals (on the off chance u can find one) to run for office so that you can get someone in office that will actually change things. In this case you can actually express your 1st admentment rights without disrupting life as usual for the rest of us. I'm sure as hell not the 1%, so howcome I have to jump across 5 or 6 blocks out of my way or miss my usual train?? Y am I suffering because of this movement, I thought I was part of the 99% too?? Time to revaluate who your really hurting here guys n gals, your alienateing more and more people faster than you think for letting stuff like this continue....
They say there are "Thousands" when every areal shot of the demonstrations shows that that the number is really in the hundreds... I would say less than 2,000 from the helicopter feeds I've watched all afternoon... This is a crock... the OWS is a very very very tiny part of society who has finally reared its head so the rest of the country knows who they are.
Why do they HIDE THEIR FACES behind masks? Because GOD FORBID if someone from the business they applied at realized how irresponsible these kids are - they'd not be hired.
What police need to do is STOP dropping the charges that are levied against them and let this crap sit on their PERMANENT RECORD - see what happens when they actually DO apply for a job and realize - HOLY SHIT BATMAN! I can't even get McDonalds to hire me now because I was an ASS!
The fact that you compare this to 9/11 is disgusting....seriously you have problems...also 72% of NY does not support you....stop making up numbers and writing propoganda that has no truth in facts...
stop crying when you push a cop and he retaliates by slapping upside the head. Do you real expect them just to stand there and take it, isn't that what you want a photo opp to help your cause......OWS !!! If this was the 60's , 70's , or 80's you all would be bleeding ..... so I give these cops the most respect for there tolerance of people looking for photo opps.
So, now the camping tantrums have devolved into street and tunnel and bridge tantrums.
Your message seems to be "give us free stuff - or we'll get in your way!"
My company is based in midtown, and basically your tantrums are hurting people who work for a living - and want to be able to come and go without OWS in the way, get home to their families after work.
I reject your 100% hostile, economically illiterate and greedy demands. What a bunch of spoiled brats. Tantrums may have worked for you kids when you were 3 years old. It won't work for you now, or ever.
I'm looking forward to seeing the violent ones occupy jail cells, and the rest of you can occupy a view of my middle finger salute.
Fuck your revolution, right in the face.
"Facing the most brutal assault on our Democracy since 9-11, New Yorkers must once again stand as one!" How DARE toy compare yourselves to 911. You are sick selfish entitlement whiners. I hope the NYPD take you out..
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I would like to know the reason that some one had to put their cigarette out on my BMW this morning. I am 24 years old and started a company while I was still in high school. I choose to live on Wall and am constantly harassed by you guys. I am not a banker but an entrepreneur. I am not a follower and thats why I am successful. You guys need to be more constructive with your time... I had to change gears because of the economy and you must too it is an embarrassment what you are doing.
I am a NYC resident, and if you "occupy" my subway when I am trying to get home to my family from a long day at work, I'm going to be hard pressed not to occupy your face with my fist.
does making the new york commute more difficult for the 99% really do anything for the movement? as people have said, the 1% do not take the subways and all you are doing is putting the average citizen at risk. no one will be trying to get home from 161st street and say 'i cant get on the subway today? damn you wall street.' they will be agitated at the occupy movement. and for all the people saying that a longer commute to work is something that everyone may have to sacrifice, that is only true if you are accomplishing something by making that sacrifice. there is no indication that trying to keep the average man from getting around NYC will add any voices to the movement, if anything its just putting more of a burden on the 99%.
how did this comment, which includes a valid opinion and stays on topic get more negative votes than someone who plainly stated that its raining and they wont give their support until something important happens? is someone just trying to put me on mute and drop me to the bottom of the page? what gives?
The likes / dislikes are being played all over the place now. It's a total crap shoot.
Yes, correct you troll. You're posting here and getting negative karma and being dropped down the page. Why don't you leave comments on the New York Post, Fox News or freerepublic.com website where they will be appreciated rather than trolling on the site of people who support #OWS?
Be smart. Don't act like that. Hire a strong lawyer and attract some guard and continue occupy parks. Russia and Ukraine support you guys.
I live and work in downtown NYC where all of this is going down...I was late to work this morning, a walk that usually takes 7 min. took me over 30. I am undoubtley part of the 99% and have sympathized with them. I didn't mind them living down here and the OWS movement was fine because it didn't negatively impact my life. Now it is becoming a nuisance as I have seen more drugs, public disturbance, decline in the ability of people to access small businesses (stores in the area), and increasing reports of crime. All I ask is what have I done to deserve this??? I work hard and may not make an incredible amount of money but I appreciate everything I have because I know that with HARD WORK and DEDICATION I can allow myself to live the life I desire. Now that this movement is affecting my personal life as well as my work life, I have a strong distaste for it....your anger, ignorance, and disturbance to all of our lives shouldn't be tolerated. I support any action by the NYPD to rid us of you. I'm sorry and I didn't always feel like this but you are all being incredibly selfish...
The thing is, OWS isn't just about you, or any other single person. Its about all of us, 300+million of us. A 30 minute walk to work isn't a lot to give, but I appreciate that it is an inconvenience for you. I'm really struggling to see how OWS is selfish, despite your inconvenience. Democracy is what our country was made for and its what will help us all, if we can get it back.
First, pet pev of mine - The United States is NOT a Democracy!
Second, I second your Idea, We should all give a inconvenience up and get a job, Or if we really feel that the man has us down, start a business that will over take the man, but if its to scary to own your own business, then get actively involved in really politics, not making some random dude walk.
You're taking the support of what is at most a few hundred thousand people nationwide, and basically saying to everyone else, "it's for your own good". Look at the poll just out with 45% AGAINST Occupy with only 33% support. You are, from your slanted viewpoint, claiming legitimacy on behalf of people who do not support you in any way, shape, or form. The focus isn't even on any issue anymore. It's all just talk of police beatdowns, shutting down businesses, making "viral" videos. The fact is that there is a majority of people who would like to see money out of politics, overwhelming support. But support falls off a cliff when people realize it's all just a Trojan horse to get the far left's agenda pushed forward, which almost no one wants. If you want any type of real support, get organized, put forward some leaders and a simple agenda of some basic things that we could at least come close to agreeing on, and try to affect change. The tactics being used just bring resentment from almost every corner imaginable (politicians, the 1%, small businesses that are being affected, ordinary workers trying to get to work, etc.)
We have not lost democracy, but OWS members, of which there are many different strains, are bordering on anarchy in some cases, and nonsense in many other cases.
Spot on - our constitutional republic and democratic institutions are still there - and anybody can vote, run for office, etc.
OWS just seems hell-bent on throwing tantrums without doing the actual work required to make changes.
It's been made very clear by the OWS movement and should be obvious in and of itself that our system is overrun by corporate and private interests. We can vote, sure. The problem is we're voting for the puppet on the left hand or the puppet on the right hand... And those are the hands of lobbyists. What is this so-called "actual work" you speak of? Because it seems season long, world wide protests take a little more work than a walk to the ballot box at your local library.
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It does not matter if you believe OWS is about everyone, the right the protest stops where it begins infringing on others rights. Occupying subways, clogging streets, and attempt to block people from entering banks falls into this category and the police are to right to disrupt these attempts.
You're just hurting the poor. Likely a number of people who rely on subways will get home late to take care of their children and/or their second or third jobs. It seems unproductive to erode your own support base.
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Oh my god it took you and extra 23 minutes to get to work. Because of this you think that people should not be allowed to practice their first amendment rights. Your 23 minutes is worth more than freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.
Your 23 minutes makes you believe the police are allowed to assault its citizens, the people they're meant to protect. Your 23 minutes makes all of this ok.
Who'se being the selfish one?
Back in civic class we were taught about freedom AND responsibility. Is it possible to practice free speech without blocking a public way? I think I could do it and a lot of others could too.
What if there had been a fire in the area and trucks couldn't get through?
Actions such as this are actually damaging to free speech.
That 23 minutes could cost a person their job.
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Get real. It isn't just the extra time to get to work. OWS is just about complaining, whining, and escalating now to destruction and moving toward anarchy, i don't see anything positive or beneficial about hour movement and rants.
you have a double standard.
You are saying he should sacrifice his freedom to get to work for your freedom to speak, but you wont sacrifice your freedom to speak for his freedom to get to work. and the amount of time doesn't matter, 23 minutes or 23 hours.
So rush-hour traffic is infringing on my freedom to go to work? Do you actually read what you say out loud before you submit it?
23 minutes can be replaced by freedom, freedom cannot be replaced by 23 minutes
Where do you get off taking up 23 minutes of his life? Freedom of speech doesn't mean shut down public transportation FOR THE 99%!!!! You care nothing for the 99% only for your own desires to see what you think should be done is done and the hell with the 99%. More dumb moves like this and you can kiss your support goodbye.
Selfish? The protesting isn't anything less than selfless hard work. The people wouldn't be living like bums and making so much noise if they had a choice. Hard work and dedication to a bankrupt system isn't going to make your life any easier, unless your taxes start working for YOU and your schools and your community and not your mayor's wallet. These people are doing their own hard work and there will be casualties to our convenience. Its ugly and its loud and it stinks, and it makes cops look bad, but get upset at the folks who put these people on the streets.
You're clearly economically illiterate, even if you have "good" intentions.
I've been trying to hire people since the summer - and am getting terrible candidates, abject idiots, and greedy / selfish entitlement addicted wankers like yourself.
Fuck your revolution, right in the face.
This guys are trying to help. Is a colateral damage that it take you just a few more minutes to get to job.... ask Iranys or other 3 world countrys inocent people what had afected colateral damage on their lives, and you will be happy.
No. You're wrong. They are not trying to help me. I disagree with much of they stand for, and even on the general principles I agree with, I do not condone these tactics.
You're gonna do what you're gonna do, obviously. But don't say it's for my benefit.
What if is your job? is there is a chance that you get in 15% of unemployee the are trying to help you. If there is a chance that you would not be avaible to pay your debts , there are helping you. If there a chance that you will not be able to help your kids for education and health, there are helping you.
Who said I have a job? Who said I can pay all my debts?
If I have problems, I will deal with them. If I think my government is not representing me, I will take the action I deem necessary to address it.
My point is that you have NO authority to say that what you are doing is for me; and to suggest that anyone who doesn't support ows is "being incredibly selfish" (which was what I responded to originally) is the height of arrogance on your part.
The help is giving anyways, you can take ir or not.... for sample de 5$ buck that banks whant to get paid for trasnctaions had been roll back, a few weeks ago, and that for sure was because people like the on on OWS had do something.
You know what, yea... it very well may not be for your benefit. How fortunate it is that these widespread problems don't affect you. However, you live in a country where they DO affect millions. The only people being selfish are the ones slamming that word on the protestors... Baseless dissent.
And you assume that your answers to the problems, and your approaches to achieving them, are the only and best.
My dissent is not baseless. There are serious issues that require serious efforts at resolution. And the world is a powderkeg and will become more dangerous as governments are forced to reduce spending.
I think you what is going on is dangerous and irresponsible, and that it will lead to tragedy for innocent people. What you might call collateral damage.
And that the majority of those involved have never tried working within the system, and are just along for the thrill ride.
Just my opinion, but I'm sure you're right about everything, so what the heck.
So we have risen to the justificatins of a 3rd world country, only two more levels and were ..... oh, nm
Capitlism whent forward globalization, today you cant thing on 1 country , you must think on the 99% of the 7000 millon of humans, not just a bunch of them in a few countrys. That exactly was is going on in the USA, they are geting back what has been create with globalization.
So, we, the 99% should act like and treat others with disrespect?
No, of course not, but how can you handeld "colateral damage", do you have a better idea on how to solve this,
Here is a possible solution, Every single person that is at OWS, write a letter to there Representative asking for what they want. Do it once a day. Then have them go to there neighbor and do the same. And then to there friend, and do the same. Belive it or not, Representatives that we elected want to hear from us.
Next, since its an election year coming up, lets actually elect some one good to represent us.
Take a look to this, it has already done
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petitions/popular/0/2/0/
For sample
""Reinstate the tax exempt status of Graduate Student Stipends"" it has 21300 people demands.
And some of the response of already done petitons
""Taking Action to Reduce the Burden of Student Loan Debt""
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/response/taking-action-reduce-burden-student-loan-debt
Nice, keep up the great work.
Education is a cost that the community pays, and it seams after you get out of college, you have loans and you end up paying more in taxes, some of which goes back to paying for college, so you kinda get doubled tap.
Ive noticed as student loans max has gone up, so did my tuition. The schools know they can put a burden on the student as long as they can pull loan money out. My last year, I told them I would be taking out loans, and fought for other ways of gaining aid, the university ended up finding other grants that I Qualified for, but they did not see the need to award them as I had enough money that could get loaned to me. I wish I did that in the beginning(Hint Hint to current students).
But anyways, that is how we change and shape our country.
By the way, I signed both that you had mentioned. And I hope that your links also aid in the petitions because you replied and told me about them, and I agree with them. Works faster than one would think.
Now we need to elect some one that will represent our values and morals and not play into the corruptness. Personally, I feel ever one thats in office need to be kicked out for a term and a bran new congress and white house be instated. Not sure if it would help, but it would be better than what we got(both political parties)
Glad to help you, by the way, here in Argentina we have FREE college, it doesnt mean that anybody can study, only the one that studies most keep going , then we have good profesionals, that on long run they will pay more taxes, and give more producticion , medice, or whatever to our contry, so then college pays back by itself. USA could go to a mid term , for sample pay the college debt in a 5% of whatever you are payed for the work you can get...
It seems that anyone who has any kind of problem, dislike, or something that upset them fits into the OWS mob. It's like you are protesting life itself, but you want to blame others whether or not their actions had any correlation to circumstances in your life.
Wow,do you actually read what you write? Collateral damage? Why don't you just be honest and say FUCK YOU SUFFER because that's what you're dancing around with your collateral damage statement. Yeah all those evil rich people ride the subway. You are driving people away from you because of OWS Fuck you if you don't agree with us attitude.Selfish is what OWS is.
WHATEVER! Take the day off from work, paid or unpaid. Show some solidarity and a grow a spine. Nothing in this country will change without a monumental effort from everyone. You are oppressed and if you don't see that you need to be involved, then be grateful that others are taking a stand for you.
dude...how am i supposed to pay rent if i'm not working. Is the idea of working to support your desired lifestyle really being thrown out? if you all had set goals (like concrete ones not just saying F rich people, because who really likes greedy rich people anyway?? and saying that is such a cop out) maybe more people would find the utility of actually joining you instead of going to work because of the good it could bring. as of now, you all look incredibly disorganized and are bringing drugs and violence into my once quite neighborhood....thanks for making me try to fall asleep with drums beating down the street....show some respect for your fellow citizens and show some class and more people would want to join you....trust me...
There are a lot of general statements being tossed out, like everyone who is rich is greedy, and as hou point out, it clouds the message that people are feeling the sting of the economy. I know some very generous rich people. I don't believe in spreading the wealth the way some are promoting through excessive tax schemes. The country needs some adjustments and some more substantial changes, but this movement is out-of-control!
i don't deny that there are some really nice rich people, but ill bet anytime that the majority of rich people don't want the progress of the middle class and only want the money for themselves, and if what i am saying is not true then let them prove it
One day of protest and solidarity with people suffering due to corporate greed is not a lot to ask. In fact, it's hardly anything at all. How can you be so selfish?
You can't call me selfish for going to work so I can live my life. That's my right as a citizen of this country. But doing things to take away from that freedom shouldn't be tolerated for example: blocking the street, blocking sidewalks, doing drugs in a public park around where I live (not saying you, but some, hopefully a small minority, that support your current actions), blocking subways, being incredibly loud at night, and making me feel unsafe due to increased crime because of drug use. I get it that you're all angry, you should be, and I am angry too at our system...but I don't throw a tantrum like an 8 year old child and ruin everyone elses day who have to deal with the same injustice and suffering you aclaim to be fighting against...
The reason you have any civil liberties at all, and the reason you have worker rights, and consumer protections, and due process is because of people who put their safety and lives on the line in the streets facing off with the POLICE STATE. America came into existence because of revolutionaries, and we have expanded the meaning of liberty and justice for all by protesting over the centuries. You are selfish if you think protesters in the streets and subways running slowly are ruining your quality of life. These are temporary set backs for a much greater good. You enjoy your comfy, safe, posh financial district home 365 days of the year... you can spare a few hours today. Jeez.
If you think fighting officers is the way to propel this movement forward that's just not true...I believe that a lot of people want to see this movement succeed and don't you think that would be possible with cooperation with local law enforcement and criticizing the law makers who have allowed for the leniency in our financial system which allowed for deceptive accounting practices (mis-use/unethical use of repurchase and reverse repurchase agreements) and over speculation on financial instruments such as CDS's and CDO's (originally created to allow people to take insurance on other investments). Don't you think that this is the true problem? That's why firms went bankrupt leading to job losses of people who didn't even make the decisions to speculate on these products (the 99%)...show law makers in DC your frustration and have them change the rules for the people you think are playing the game unfairly...
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lol, awsome!
and may I take a stand for you? if you don't see that you need underwear on your head then be grateful I would put it there for you :)
ok, silly I know. don't get angry.
but I have just as much right to stand up for your right to wear underwear on your head, EVEN if you don't want that, as you do to represent people who don't want your representation.
Ill take a stand for you fmsnyc,
I say we go and also add in that it should be a crime to earn more than 22K a year. That will for sure prevent anyone from getting rich. The rest we should give to the government to supply us with housing and food.
fmsnyc, u r not taking a stand for me. I was on the streets and made a go of it by patience, hard word through set backs and my own mistakes. I don't support the premise that this country is not changing.
By the way, I work halping the poor and disadvantaged for a living...
I have nobody to pay my bills but me - so a day without pay is not really an option. Plus I like my job let me get to it.
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So now you tell people how to run their lives? Once again a shining example of how OWS could give a flying fuck about the 99%. OWS knows what's right for us so just shut up and listen right? Do you ever listen to the garbage that comes out of your mouth? Who made you God?
Did you ever think that maybe these posters do not agree with your tactics? Why should they take the day off, because you want to throw a tantrum? The vast majority knows there are problems with the system, but we see you as nothing more than ungrateful children who are looking for an easier way through life. You are trying to make something fair that can never be fair.
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Ef u a whole.
Yep. A few kids couldn't get to work this morning and had to work from home. It's so selfish. Sorry I'm not sorry.
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Now here is a perfect example of a potential supporter who has been lost due to ows's shortsighted and destructive actions. Believe me people, there are many worker09s out there who feel the system is rigged but absolutely want no part in supporting the type of disruptive actions currently being advocated by ows. This stuff is going to backfire and the worst part is it is lost potential that many are blind to, so they will never even recognize the loss that has occurred.
I feel exactly the same way. I was supportive at first, but after the violence perpetrated by some in this group in other cities, the crime, and the stupidity of some of their actions (like continuing to claim they delayed the NYSE opening bell at 9am this morning, when it doesn't ring until 9:30am every morining), I have no tolerance left. They come accross as a bunch of lazy entitlement whiners who need a good kick in the ass.
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The only assault on Democracy that is happening is the assault coming from occupy wall street! You folks are a bunch of terrorists in your own right. You are the kinsmen of the Brown shirt Nazis and the Russian Bolshevicks.
You are drinking from the poison well of World Socialism. Yeah that's right the commies and the Nazis wee both different flavors of Socialism. And you folks with your anti-semite rants and calls for the death of the rich and the end of capitalism are marching in their footsteps.
Wake up sheeple your going to be the next residents of the inevitable socialist gulags and concentration camps if you get your way.
Nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats who grew up being given a trophy for just showing up!
There are no guarantees in life. You have to go out and earn a living. Some people are better at it than others. Quit being jealous of what you are to lazy to earn for yourself!!!
Phuck OWS, right in the face.
Greed, indeed.
This site blocks comments from users who speak out against the movement. How can you preach EQUALITY and JUSTICE when you don't support those ideals yourself? I have an account blocked and I've never once said anything inappropriate or threatening.
Please stop misrepresenting the American people and realize that you are not the true 99% - if you were, there would be politicians who represent you, but there aren't.
So you're saying...you think that the people of this country are fairly represented huh?
IF this is about fair representation, it wouldn't be OWS, it would be Occupy DC.
Occupy DC is pretty strong. The occupy movement is about those in DC of course, but it's also in large part about the corporations, THAT is why they're at Wall Street.
But isn't it the Government's job to regulate corporations? So shouldn't the protests start there? Isn't that what checks and balances are about? You want to regulate greed - get the law makers to step up and do it and protest THEM until they do.
I would like to know the reason that some one had to put their cigarette out on my BMW this morning. I am 24 years old and started a company while I was still in high school. I choose to live on Wall and am constantly harassed by you guys. I am not a banker but an entrepreneur. I am not a follower and thats why I am successful. You guys need to be more constructive with your time... I had to change gears because of the economy and you must too it is an embarrassment what you are doing.
I agree this is the worst assault on Democracy in NYC since 9-11. And OWS is carrying it out. A small minority impacted the liberties of thousands today with a mob action. The cause of economic justice has been set back - law and order candidates will point to this and the assaults on police (which this site of course has suppressed) will dominate headlines. I can see Romney's speech already, he'll be Nixon in this drama.
That 72% number is plummeting by the minute. I'm done with this organization and its propaganda machine...
I would like to know the reason that some one had to put their cigarette out on my BMW this morning. I am 24 years old and started a company while I was still in high school. I choose to live on Wall and am constantly harassed by you guys. I am not a banker but an entrepreneur. I am not a follower and thats why I am successful. You guys need to be more constructive with your time... I had to change gears because of the economy and you must too it is an embarrassment what you are doing.
HAHA. Bad move OWS. You are in New York. You shouldn't campare your movement to 9/11. Killing of thousands has yet to happen
Where does OWS do this? Looking here and can not see it..
"Facing the most brutal assault on our Democracy since 9-11, New Yorkers must once again stand as one!"
Very top of the page. OWS is trying to compare it's "repression" to the day when thousands of people died.
@ gr59 Wrong! Shame! Loved ones of those who perished on Nine Eleven are wathing!
Wrong? Shame? (watching?). I am reading it of the big bold letters. OWS shame. How dare they compare being kicked out of a park to 9/11. People arrested to people being killed.
Not to you silly to the person that said that! I agree! How dare them compare anything OWS to Nine Eleven.
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if it's really 72%, then there should be millions of people out there. where are they all?
Many supporters have jobs http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=24985 so many support it after work.
so then many (millions) should be coming out after work? or how is support defined? my guess is that if the subways close or this creates an inconvenience, that "support" will go waaaaaaay down.
If you think marching down a public street is part of the first amendment, the supreme court disagrees:
Cox vs New Hampshire (1941)
"Civil liberties, as guaranteed by the Constitution, imply the existence of an organized society maintaining public order without which liberty itself would be lost in the excesses of unrestrained abuses. The authority of a municipality to impose regulations in order to assure the safety and convenience of the people in the use of public highways has never been regarded as inconsistent with civil liberties but rather as one of the means of safeguarding the good order upon which they ultimately depend. The control of travel on the streets of cities is the most familiar illustration of this recognition of social need. Where a restriction of the use of highways in that relation is designed to promote the public convenience in the interest of all, it cannot be disregarded by the attempted exercise of some civil right which in other circumstances would be entitled to protection."
STFU and get a job you dirty bums
You're just hurting the poor. Likely a number of people who rely on subways will get home late to take care of their children and/or their second or third jobs. It seems unproductive to erode your own support base.
Interesting that the majority of the subway stops chosen are in the poorest of neighborhoods in NYC. 125th street. Really? You think the 1% live in Harlem? Lol.
Bad idea. As my Pakistani friend would say - "Very bad. Very very bad."
As one of the 99% you claim to represent, please go home. You're embarrassing yourselves. Read through the comments and and keep a tally of those for and those against you. You're in the 1%.
As indicated before it is clear the negative posts are mostly fake. Why would someone who was "against" the movement bother to take the time to post this much about it? Not to mention every real person I talk to supports what the movement stands for. I have yet to meet a person who doesn't support it and I am a 37 year old lower middle class woman from suburbia. We have been watching this event unfold up here in RI at work and are horrified at what we're seeing. What happened to "serve and protect" NYPD? Looks the only ones being protected are the elite. Like they need any more f'n help.
People are taking the time because as part of the employed, it pisses us off that you feel it is a right to bilk more money out of the system. Get an education (not in the liberal arts) get a job, pay off the institution that loaned you money in good faith, and live debt free. STFU and move out.
I really fail to see how you benefit from whining on these boards. You want to stick with the status quo that's fine. Stay the hell out of the way from the people who aren't satisfied being a corporate slave. And you clearly don't listen to what people have to say otherwise you would see I clearly indicated that I am NOT at the protests. Basically get a life and stop lurking on message boards.
Not fake. I've been watching you for the last 2 months. Have no clue what you stand for. Free tuition? Redistribution of wealth. Have no clue whatsoever what you stand for. Convinced you don't either. Time for you to go home.
I can tell you what the protests don't stand for - people like you. You seriously don't have anything better to do than lurk around these boards for two months? Get a life man! At least the protesters got off their asses and did something. What have you done for the world lately? And I can't speak for everyone else but I am quite clear in what I stand for. I certainly have no obligation to explain it to you though.
Your an idiot otherpotatoe... I found this site by accident the first time today. I was reading CNN and some other idiot posted a link to it and my curiosity got the better of me. I live in your neck of the woods (CT) and I've been passively watching these morons totally make fools of themselves.
You ask me to get a life. I plan to when I have a chance. Right now I work 60hrs a week as a software developer. And when I'm not running our kids around to their various activities I volunteer my skills at a local community outreach agency that needs help helping those that need help. When I've paid my dues I plan to get a life, but I'm working now and doing what I need to do to get that life. I'm not expecting anyone to help me. I'm doing it myself you slug, Telling me to get a life. You looser.
You are not helping THE PEOPLE by doing this!! It is not productive and only giving attention to a MOVEMENT.What is it accomplishing if it is not aimed at the Lawmakers,who got us here in the 1st place.They are sitting comfy,doing nothing and stalling!! CONGRESS(States and WASHINGTON) has ALL the POWER,AUTHORITY and RESPONSIBILITY to the People of this country to fix the OPPRESSION!! Our President can't make them,but WE THE PEOPLE can let them know how we feel.Occupying Wall Street is not doing that. They probably are saying"Better Wall ST than US"!! Please Rethink and Regroup your strategy,you can still take credit for it(Whoever you are that started this Movement).Time and Your Mind is A Valuable Thing To Waste!!!!! Peace,God Bless you all
Occupy Penn Station instead
Sorry if you need us now. It's raining I will pass until something important happens.
I highly doubt 72% of the people enjoyed not getting to work on time today because of the subway clogging.
OWS sure has their priorities in order. Disrupt the subways and other transportation vital to lower income citizens to get at the 1% who would presumably use a taxi or private car. Looks like the 99% likes to ruin the lives and jobs of the 99%.
The ship has sailed or more like it has little wind left. There are more people at one of the twenty Broadway plays on any given night in NY then at the protests. Tonight a total has been band with 1 original member called Guns n Roses will play at the Meadowlands and have more people in attendance then the last month of protests combined. Mass transit has more problems when there is a Giants or Jets weekday game and those are in New Jersey. The Holiday season is here and people are more concerned with the big parade, football, family and friends. The 53% who pay taxes deserve our warm homes and breaks from reality. Without us watching the nightly news and buying the products advertised the Occupy movement would have no cameras to mug for. It is time to hang it up on the streets. With no message other than anger you have no audience. To get millions to come out to parade, march and rejoice together you need to win a World Series. Last time I checked Derek Jeter is occupying his estate in Tampa so you are pretty much SOL on getting any more support.
I am a NYC resident, and if you "occupy" my subway when I am trying to get home to my family from a long day at work, I'm going to have to try very hard not to kick your fucking head in, asshole.
You must have a grueling job. Where do you find the time to anonymously try to indimidate people online? Also, if you behave at home the way you have behaved here, I bet your family will welcome the delay.
You will understand when you lose your job.... like all this protesters had already lose it.... didnt you know this march will hapend??? did you live on a buble, Wake up yourself....this is the real world.
You will understand when you lose your teeth. I already lost my job, and I went out and got another one. I have a family to support and don't have time to stand in the street and cry about how I am entitled to money and expect everyone to just hand it to me. You're pathetic.
Good to hear your opinion. It is shared by far more people then these OWS Drones even know. Good luck.
If any of you get in my way as I try to make my way home I'm going to punch whoever it is in the face. You're a bunch of anarchist thugs.
Anarchist thug is an oxymoron.
I think you mean it's a repetitive term, right?
I don't think hoserman understands what the word "oxymoron" means. It's ironic that someone commenting on my word choice doesn't understand how to properly choose words to use.
Actually their are claming for more democracy.... is not the real focus to stop workers , but they need to get some atention... on long term you might suuport them.
I supported them until today. Now I want to see them all shot and/or arrested.
Argentina, If you are from Argentina, that explains your stupidity.
That explains that im a global man, that undestands whats going on all around the globe. I know the most rich and the most poor, and also I understad the stupids like you that cant have a exchanges of ideas.
Mr Global man, i bow to your superior global perspective! You know some of the richest and poorest people, wow you must be so smart. Please share your wisdom with me! Look, i've lived in several countries in S. America and being global is rubbish and meaningless. You live somewhere don't you, or is your address just Mr Global 123 Main Street The Globe