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Forum Post: Update: NDAA lawsuit victory

Posted 1 year ago on June 7, 2012, 10:03 p.m. EST by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD
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Thu 6/7/2012

More great news on the NDAA lawsuit:

Federal Judge Kathryn Forrest just rejected the Obama administration's request that she reverse her ruling against indefinite detention.

Please send emails to Obama and the Senate right away to urge them to put and end to indefinite detention -- just click here:

http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/ndaa_obama_senate/?akid=1384.2111697.NqKf0s&rd=1&t=1

In May Chris Hedges, RevolutionTruth, et al won their lawsuit asserting that indefinite detention violates the Constitution.

Obama asked for a reversal of that decision, which was just rejected.

More than 50,000 Demand Progress members have signed on as supporters of the lawsuit.

Now Obama needs to decide if he'll take his crusade against the Constitution to a higher court.

And the full Senate is taking up indefinite detention as it debates this year's NDAA later this month.

Please help fight indefinite detention by sending emails to Obama and the Senate right away -- just click here.

http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/ndaa_obama_senate/?akid=1384.2111697.NqKf0s&rd=1&t=1

Obama signed last year's National Defense Authorization Act even though it included provisions which could let the military detain civilians indefinitely without a trial or charges.

Despite a valiant effort by opponents, the House retained indefinite detention when it passed the new NDAA last month.

The Senate will take this issue up soon, and President Obama can drop his defense of it in court.

Please send emails to Obama and the Senate right away, by clicking here.

Keep up the fight.

-Demand Progress

PS -- Please help us spread word far and wide and bombard Obama and the Senate with emails.

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[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Obama admin strikes it back down. Here is a great quote by Churchill:

"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist."

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Thanx. I collect quotes and saved this one!

It looks like we morphed into what we were fighting against. Ironic and sad ;(

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Interesting to note that people of many political persuasions were able to put away their differences and together support this lawsuit against the NDAA.

"A lawsuit filed by journalist Chris Hedges, along with a list of plaintiffs, filed a week after the bill’s New Year’s Eve passage, seeks an injunction on NDDA. It is a legal battle supported by people on the right and left side of the political aisle who see NDAA as vague, presumably allowing the government to detain U.S. citizens without proper trial, a violation of the Fourth and Sixth Amendments’ protection from unreasonable search and seizures without probable cause and the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury.

The list of plaintiffs include Hedges, Chomsky, journalists Cornel West, Alexa O’Brien and Daniel Ellsberg, Iceland parliamentarian Birgitta Jonsdottir and Kai Wargalla, co-founder of Occupy London.

Support is also shared by those who identify with the Tea Party movement — the Institute of the Constitution, U.S. Justice Foundation, U.S. Border Control and Gun Owners Foundations, among others, have joined in Hedges’ fight, submitting a friend of the court brief in his defense."

http://www.mintpress.net/progressive-conservative-groups-rally-against-ndaa-as-new-version-introduced/

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

That's why I've been saying that they use the D & R labels to keep people divided. People on on the L&R understand that this NDAA BS shreds the Constitution. We should all search for more commonalities and unite. It will help all involved ................. except the oppressors.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Yes, I wish we could convince more people on this forum to drop their political garments and see that we are pretty much the same underneath.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Signed and twittered. {:-])

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Good post Sparky. Signed. Good News today.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Yes it is. If Obama keeps pushing this in the courts, it won't look good on him in the elections. Hopefully he'll back-off.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi Sparky, Good point. Have you seen anything in mainstream media about this ruling by Judge Forrest today?

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Hey Nevada, No, but then I haven't had the TV on tonight. The Young Turks sometimes cover it, and ironically, Fox News, but not sure about today.

Cheers

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Obama is the choosen one, the bankers fav guy. Why?

Because he is well spoken, good looking, and the perfect guy to justify our bombings over seas. The fact that he has bombed 6 nations in three years and there is ZERO protest over it proves this point.

Obama is a lock. It was always going to be Romney in the primaries, and it was always going to be Obama over Romney.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I don't disagree except IMO, I don't think they care who wins, because both sides are bought and paid for.

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

All the polls do is show them which one of the two candidates is more able to get the public to believe them.

Obama is a pro, thats all he's done pretty much is campaign.

I think they do care to a certain extent, because if a new guy wins, its a lot of shifting and changing things, which is a pain in the ass.

I think that is why the last 3 2nd term races, the opposition has run total incompetent losers (Dole, Kerry and now Mittens)

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1241) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Hedges really went after Obama on this. I blame McCain and Levin more. Shame on you McCain, you talker....

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Did you see this? Levin on the senate floor submitting the bill, another d- senator objecting to indefinite detention of US citizens within the bill, and this was his response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHaJrnlqCgo

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1241) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

The vid wouldn't play but I'm sure I saw that before. It's easy to take this out of context but bills and regs are designed that way now anyway. The new NDAA isn't that big a deal for us, it's designed to quarantee some sort of confrontation/reaction to Iran. Hedges went after it regards to journalism. Any decent court will see the bill as an assault on free speech and freedom of the press. Obama said he wouldn't inforce the indefinite detention part and he won't. He knows the military won't support it.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

so repeal indefinite detention

"what's all this garbage on the congress steps?"

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1241) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Not a bad idea.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

I'm glad you're confident. IMO, they put these laws in place for one reason ............................................. to use them.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You are putting an awful lot of faith in a corrupted organization.

The fact the language is even in there is all the proof you need that the SHTF moment is coming, and they dont want to lose control.

Wake up. The military doesnt support a lot of things, and yet they still happen with their support. Many dont support the TSA crap, yet they do it.

I repeat. Wake up.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1241) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

Maybe we should watch what we say about it. The guys who wrote the NDAA must be really smart. I'm confused. If I say, "lets bomb Iran!" they might arrest me. If I say, "Don't bomb Iran!" they might arrest me. I guess we shouldn't talk about Iran. I see how this works. I better shut up now.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

How can you give more blame to the workers than the CIC? If Obama had any balls and took this to the people of the USA, then those that brought it up would be humiliated.

Obama didnt do that. Levin says Obama is the one who wanted the harsh language of the bill.

A boss that allows the workers to run wild and looks the other way is not a leader at all.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1241) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

We'll never know the truth about who wanted what in the bill. People spent some time trying to figure it out and couldn't.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Bottom line is regardless of whose idea was to put that bullshit in there, they ALL signed it (93-7 in the Senate) and so did the Pres.

Doesnt matter who put what in it, did they sign it? Yes. Fire them all, they dont represent us.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You are making demands to people who dont like you. They dont want to serve you.

They are in the club, and you are not.

Their two parties have been around for 100+ years. They are fairly certain that you will not create a new one anytime soon.

They are probably right.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

news told me independent party is on the rise

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

REcord numbers leaving the D and R parties. The sooner the people start thinking, the sooner they will be gone, the sooner we can straighten this mess out.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

They don't have to like me, for me to voice my opinion. Other than that, you're preachin' to the choir because I agree. Both are corporatist.

[-] -2 points by JusticeForTrayvon (34) 1 year ago

This sounds too much like an anti-Obama thread! Tsk tsk!

We must ignore the fact that he's a neo-conservative! He's a Democrat, so we must continue to blindly follow him! Baaa-aaaah!