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Posted 1 year ago on Sept. 18, 2012, 7:47 p.m. EST by GNAT (150)
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I usually spend time with my kids, do the family thing, but then there are afternoons I have to myself. Not much of a bar fly and at my age most of my friends are as busy as I am. If I was still young and had time, I would have been in NY over the last year because this protest speaks to me and my beliefs. So, instead I come on this forum. In one window, I work on software to get me into a better career, and in the other, when I need a break, I have this forum open to connect to like minded people.

Most of those have gone and in their place is two trolls, one is the alternate personality for a supposed Occupy supporter, and the other rationalizes wasting time harassing people. Also in the place of common people are the campaigners, which is in direct contradiction to the point of the movement. I cannot be in NY and I hate that these people have trashed this forum. If I wanted to hear republican or democratic bullshit, I wouldn't come to this forum for it because thats not what it's for.

I'm tired of my interest being dictated by people that have no business dictating my future. Why should some rich ass wipe have a say in my level of freedom?

What I can say about all of this, is that I am the reason for Occupy. Who the fuck are you?

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[-] 3 points by trashyharry (1180) from Waterville, NY 1 year ago

One of the main reasons for Occupy is:No more Republicans,No more Democrats-Forever.These 2 parties are,respectively,The Slaughterhouse and The Potter's Field of Hope-for Americans and the world.Working for these parties may be a habit for some,but no intelligent person really believes such activities are anything more than a crappy Punch & Judy puppet show.You ARE doing something to promote Occupy Wall Street.Who am I to judge whether or not it is enough.The Who The Fuck Are You part refers I suppose to-How Far Would I Go.Well,I seriously don't give a shit anymore.I am willing to to give all of the money I can lay my hands on to Occupy,and I have done that 3 times.I am going to try to develop a contact in NYC who will accept at least 100 usd's per month for the sake of the young #OWS activists who are now living in the streets of New York.I had the great honor of sleeping in the streets with them last October and on the 16th and 17th of September this year.100 usd's is almost half of my monthly disposable income,BTW.I am willing to be arrested in Lower Manhattan.It is my feeling that the use of drones must be suspended and that organizing a hunger strike would be a reasonable response to the continued use of these Pernicious Tools of Tyranny.So I would volounteer to starve myself in a bamboo cage on Broadway to stop it.I don't think anybody would pay attention to only one bamboo cage,though.It would have to be about 9 or ten of them,a horrible thought,but these kinds of actions will be needed eventually or the MSM will continue blacking out and ridiculing activists.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13203) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I would say each of us is a reason for OWS - and in that sense a rich person has as much right dictating your future as you do his - and no more right than that. It's not a deep concept - but one worth noting if only to keep things in perspective.

Now don't get confused - I'm not a rich person, and I don't speak for rich people - I don't speak for poor people either. I speak for myself - if it happens that my words resonate with someone else to such an extent that they see me as advocating on their behalf - so much the better. What ever views I may hold I am confident there are others out there, somewhere, who share a similar view.

As for who the fuck are you . . . . I am z, d, Zen Dog, or Dave if you like.

I'm not in the business of campaigning for anyone - although I do volunteer my services at a phone bank for one of the candidates . . . I generally don't bring it here - although I confess there is so much mis - or dis - information on occasion I just can't help myself.

[-] 1 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

Who am I? I am the I AM; I am: "I Am."

"Emperor of the World," self-appointed, of course. And no, this is not a democracy and you do not have the right to vote; this is my world.

I have no real interest in politics but I do have an interest in ALL "issues" - everywhere - so for me it's a forum to explore, an opportunity to learn more... which is a never ending quest.

There's been some very well written stuff here and there are also some very creative people, so... I'm just surfing.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

I'm a CTO who is hiring. What kind of software?

[-] 1 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

This...

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Oh. You're a richardkentgates sock puppet?

[-] 1 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

lol. I though that was obvious.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 1 year ago

Sorry, no, I'm not sure why you thought that as obvious but no I didn't know that.

The combination of paranoia and sock puppetry around here is guaranteed hilarity, any time I visit.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Freedom?

Is freedom at the core of the OWS movement?

[-] 0 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

CISPA, SOPA, both would directly effect my transition into self employment. You see, the thing is, I finished a 3rd CMS(software) and intend at some point to being using this as my escape hatch from poverty. So, these two pieces of legislation would ensure new middlemen a siphon between me and that goal. Outside of furthering the police state into the digital age (as if they need help) those proposals would create regulations that ensure the building of an entirely new industry. The industry would be there to turn the web into Walmart and charge me money for them to exist. Then there is the next step not in the bill but brought on by the new regulators; now like a home construction contractor, I will have state tests and other requirements to maintain, in order for a private company to make profits off me for testing and revenue for the state licensing(or federal). This is all the invisible shit behind that legislation. The government already has the power to censor the web and shut down what ever it wants shut down. Why do we need new legislation for it? To make money off of me, the guy who is trying to provide for my family and obtain that American Dream, middle class status.

Yes, the 1% is sponsoring legislation that attempts to oppress my freedom. I would say it's top grade Occupy stuff.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

But OWS wants more Gov regulation, not less.

Here is a sample of what freedom means to OWS:

  • Redefining how labor is valued; (Translation: price fixing; your are not free to work for someone at a price you both agree upon)

  • The belief that education is human right; (Translation: force your neighbor to pay for your schooling)

  • Making technologies, knowledge, and culture open to all to freely access, create, modify, and distribute. (Translation: license to steal from, inventors, artists, and scientists)

  • They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit. (Translation: steal property from the engineers and scientists that invented it)

  • Too much $ in the hands of too few. (Translation: take money from others and give it to me)

  • Too much deregulation. (Regulation is the antithesis of freedom)

OWS is about something but that thing is not freedom.

http://www.nycga.net/resources/documents/principles-of-solidarity/

[-] 1 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

The banks can't pay their bills either. That means in fact, rich people are having a rough go of it. BUT!. The Fed has graciously stepped in to help them, and on the government's (The People's) dime no less. Buying up government bonds, then printing money based on the value of those bonds, and giving the money to the banks.

The People are paying the bank's bills. So if teachers, students, workers (like me), are all a little pissed that our homes are taken and communities are cut down like trees, it's to be expected. After all, while we all watch it slowly happening, checks are being written to the people causing it, and we all have to pay it back.

PS. unions are people, my friend.

If you already know all of this but cannot appreciate the irony, that would explain your comment.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I have no truck with unions. They are just people working together to get better deal. Union leaders however have formed an unholy alliance with politicians that will steal from you just like any corporation (like the bank bailouts), given the chance.

BTW, only some people are paying the banks bills, not all of the people; and most of the payments will have to be made by those yet to be born. Also, unlike GM, Chrysler, Fannie,and Freddie the big banks have paid back their loans to the Gov.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/09/10/160886823/where-the-bailouts-stand-in-1-graphic

[-] 1 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

School budget cuts, police, fire dept cuts. Libraries, public works projects, road repair. We all will pay the cost for a long time to come. Also, the (unions are people, my friend) was a two sided joke, not just a role reversal.

Also, unlike GM, Chrysler, Fannie,and Freddie the big banks have paid back their loans to the Gov.

how are so many of you so ignorant about what the Fed is doing. QE1, QE2, QE3<, Operation Twist. The banks may end up buying back the mortgage securities the Fed bought, but they will not be made to pay back the US gov bonds that the Fed is buying. At best, they may have to pay back a portion of the now more than 5 trillion given so far under these programs. So, at best, We The People will only be stuck with 2 trillion(roughly) of the tab. You're right! What a great Deal! And thats if the Fed stops where it is.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

We the people are not stuck with the $ 2 trillion tab. Only some of the people (about 30%) are forced to make the payments.

States, Counties, and Cities have to make cuts (School budget, police, fire dept, etc) because many of them require balanced budgets by law. The Fed Gov can borrow at will.

[-] 2 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

I'm not here to give you and education in government economics. Dead end

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I would not have thought of that.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13203) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

yeah - that's right - you are a scumbag deregulationist - you just don't think

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

really??

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

your hatered blinds to logical thought.

[-] 0 points by podman73 (-652) 1 year ago

Only righting lies so your ok with left wing ones?

[-] -1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Regulation is the antithesis to freedom.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13203) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

put the crack pipe down - you are way too high

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[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Why do you favor letting the Gov control who is allowed to say what, in what forum, and at what time? The Gov already has way too much control.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17710) 1 year ago

As deregulation is the antithesis of civilization.

Oh boy....we learned a new word..............................:)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

civilization requires predictability

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Civilization is a lagging indicator of innovation. Innovation is stifled by regulation, and regulation frequently rewards the Luddite.

[-] -2 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Here is a short list of the University majors that OWS wants to force you to pay for:

  • David Beckham Studies

  • Parapsychology

  • Doctorate of Philosophy in Ufology

  • The Study of the Phallus

  • Surfing Studies

  • Queer Musicology

  • Star Trek

  • The Science of Harry Potter

  • The Art of Walking,

  • Tree Climbing,

  • Whitewater Skills,

  • Knitting for Noobs,

  • Finding Dates Worth Keeping, (this actually my have some value to avoid reproducing with someone attending any of these courses)

  • Getting Dressed,

  • Underwater Basket Weaving.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17710) 1 year ago

Would you consider it a good thing, or a bad thing that you couldn't pass any of them?

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

I can surf.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17710) 1 year ago

That doesn't mean you can pass.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Everyone knows that sealyons are expert surfers.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17710) 1 year ago

OK, you got one guy named everyone, that doesn't mean you passed.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 1 year ago

Sealyons invented the sport:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrlQabA_UJo

[-] 1 points by JustinDM (251) from Atascadero, CA 1 year ago

Your right about both Dems and Repubs being full of shit. But polotics is still very important in my mind. Rulers only have power through consent of the people. You might not think its true, but it is. Put ten people in a room and put one of them in charge. If that one person in charge took 90% of the possessions in the room and started telling people to do his laundry, it wouldn't take long for the other nine to kick the crap out of him/her. Now more than ever it is important to be political. Not for the two pupet partys that you see on the boob tube, but for any other candidate that will take votes away from them. The key to challenging the legitimacy of a government that is being openly bribed by corporations is to take away the percentage of the peoples vote that they receive. I would be happy with ether the Justice party or the Green party, but any vote against the two puppets is a victory in my book.

[-] 1 points by JustinDM (251) from Atascadero, CA 1 year ago

oh ya, and I'm the last of the middle class ready to kick 1% ass.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Eeeeesy big fella.....

[-] -1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 1 year ago

You haven't figured out that more than a few of the "regulars " here are in the tank for the DNC? They have been since the beginning. And is your ego so huge that you know what the reason for OWS is?

[-] 0 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

Yes

[-] -1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 1 year ago

Congratulations. You just joined the majority of amerikans.

[-] 0 points by GNAT (150) 1 year ago

Congratulations, you've just won the floater of the day award!

[-] 0 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 1 year ago

Dumbass.