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Forum Post: Until you remove the Dems and Reps, nothing you do matters

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 31, 2011, 5:02 p.m. EST by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL
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These are the people that make the rules, allow the corps to run rampant, set the unfair tax and trade policies, and allow the printing of the money for the elites.

Until you address this, it doesnt matter what you all do. They wont listen, they dont work for you.



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[-] 3 points by SisterRay (554) 12 years ago

Until you drop the pessimism, nothing you do will make any sense at all.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 12 years ago

I wish I had said that. Cynical people do more harm to this country than either political party.

[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Pessimism or reality? Im prob the most optimistic person in OccTampa as far has what we can accomplish. But certain things need to be addressed.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

that's a statement with an absolutes

[-] 1 points by socialist (2) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

They actually do work for us. I mean don't we pay their salary?

[-] 1 points by socialist (2) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

They actually do work for us. I mean don't we pay their salary?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

We pay them 160,000 per year. The corps pay them millions.

[-] 1 points by crappyrainbows (20) from Flat Top, WV 12 years ago

it would be pretty easy to vote everyone out, and vote new people in. States do it all the time. IE: When Robert C Byrd (D-WV) died, they held a special election, and someone filled the void.

Each state would have a special election, we would vote in new Feds (Sens, Reps) then new state people, then new local people. There would be a cap on how much you could spend to advertise. This would let normal people run, no signatures requirement, a complete fresh state.

This would shake everything up, slow down the corruption, and help peacefully balance the power back to the people. In the same way different #occupys want different things, different states/area would require their newly elected person to focus on different issue, but all and all "voting" people would have the finally say.

[-] 1 points by harry2 (113) 12 years ago

It is really distractive listening to senseless political comments.

Currently I think Dems and Reps can go on vacation. Nothing will happened if they are out. Since they partnered with the 1% - what can we expect.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Change the locks while they are on vacation

[-] 1 points by harry2 (113) 12 years ago

Remove the capitol - so they go home after vacation.

Like you video

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Thanks man

[-] 1 points by SandyEnglish (60) 12 years ago

These parties are a problem because capitlaism is the problem. They represent those that benefit from this system, the 1%.

Those that are being destroyed by this system need a party of their own, devoted to dismantling capitlaism. I believe that a party that replaces the Deomcrats and the Republicans -- and yes, they must be replaced - will be ineffective unless it puts into place genuine socialist policies aimed at a the expropriation of the banks and corporations, the redistribution of the wealth and the full democratic control of the economy.

Here is the program that I support:

The Breakdown of Capitalism and the Fight for Socialism in the United States http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/sep2010/prog-s06.shtml

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Capitalism would have been letting hte banks fail. Socialism/FAscism is saving them.

[-] 1 points by SandyEnglish (60) 12 years ago

Genuine socialism and fascism are opposites. In any case, capitlaism caused the entire collapse to begin with - it has been decades in the making -- and capitalist governments around the world are busy plundering the public treasuries to cover the bad debts of the banks. It is an effort to save the profits of the very rich. Socialism means that social wealth is controlled democratically by the working class.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Fascism is a branch of socialism. The difference is the state doesnt own the private property in fascism. But there is a stronger police state.

You can have either of them, or capitalism, and if the general population acts this irresponsibly, then all three will fail.

The people are what have failed this country. Buy everything, eat anything, drive faster, bigger houses, dont worry about raising the kids, etc. Its a freakin mess.

[-] 1 points by Rick1926 (3) from Cedar Grove, NJ 12 years ago

OK, lets do it, remove them! Who do we replace them with? Will the government function in the mean time? Do we just recall them nationwide en mass and hold new special elections? Can anyone with a party affiliation run in these new elections? Do we bar certain parties from running? Are we trampling on anyones rights by not allowing them to run? A lot more questions seem to emerge here.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Replace them with normal, hard working people. Teachers, scientists, police officers, etc. As much has I would love to remove them all ASAP, it would prob have to be done during the elections.

Very simple message- I you like this mess, vote for the D/R Duopoly.


[-] -1 points by navin (4) 12 years ago

Here's a way to get the message across to both parties: " Hazare has also called for an amendment to the election laws to require that voters always be offered the option of “None of the Above.” When it prevails, parties would have to come up with better candidates."

New York Times, October 30, 2011, Beyond Occupy By BILL KELLER

Now here's a marvelous idea worth importing from India that will fit nicely into American culture of bumper stickers and Twits to get the message across very effectively. The timing is ideal as close to 90% of people disapprove of Congress and there are no viable third party candidates running for office. Just imagine the election night coverage and the headlines next morning announcing the election results - Republican 20%, Democrat 20% , 'None of the Above' 60%. No party will be able to claim a mandate and go on to serving their own special interests. The power will still remain with the people. I am not sure if our constitution or election laws will allow to put 'None of the above" on the ballot to officially tally that. But, our ballots already have a space for a "write in" candidate and exit polls will give a good enough count of "None of the above". 2008 Senate race in Alaska proved that enough people will exercise the "write in" option if energized enough. This is the best way to frustrate the politicians and special interests who bankroll billions to get them above the magic 50% mark. It will show that after spending millions of dollars our politician-emperors have no clothes.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Yes! People always forget about the write in.

[-] -1 points by rickMoss (435) 12 years ago

Memo to America: Stop waiting for Democrats and Republicans to save you. It’s bad for your health and your future. Can’t you tell? You have another choice - use it!

Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( www.revolution2.osixs.org )

Enough talk, it's time to get organized. Join the Revolution for direct democracy in America. Real government by and for the people.

[-] -2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

The reactions that posts like these get is always 100% for it. I cannot figure out why OWS will not publicly denounce the D/R Duopoly.

By not doing so, it makes it look rigged.

[-] -2 points by SirPoeticJustice (628) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Yessssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Besides my own this is the most intelligent post I have seen on here.

[-] -2 points by unwelcomedguest (0) 12 years ago

listen to this person-- he is right

and he clearly sees what the rest of you are conditioned not to see.