Forum Post: Until you remove the Dems and Reps, nothing you do matters
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 31, 2011, 5:02 p.m. EST by hchc
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from Tampa, FL
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These are the people that make the rules, allow the corps to run rampant, set the unfair tax and trade policies, and allow the printing of the money for the elites.
Until you address this, it doesnt matter what you all do. They wont listen, they dont work for you.
Until you drop the pessimism, nothing you do will make any sense at all.
I wish I had said that. Cynical people do more harm to this country than either political party.
Pessimism or reality? Im prob the most optimistic person in OccTampa as far has what we can accomplish. But certain things need to be addressed.
that's a statement with an absolutes
They actually do work for us. I mean don't we pay their salary?
They actually do work for us. I mean don't we pay their salary?
We pay them 160,000 per year. The corps pay them millions.
it would be pretty easy to vote everyone out, and vote new people in. States do it all the time. IE: When Robert C Byrd (D-WV) died, they held a special election, and someone filled the void.
Each state would have a special election, we would vote in new Feds (Sens, Reps) then new state people, then new local people. There would be a cap on how much you could spend to advertise. This would let normal people run, no signatures requirement, a complete fresh state.
This would shake everything up, slow down the corruption, and help peacefully balance the power back to the people. In the same way different #occupys want different things, different states/area would require their newly elected person to focus on different issue, but all and all "voting" people would have the finally say.
It is really distractive listening to senseless political comments.
Currently I think Dems and Reps can go on vacation. Nothing will happened if they are out. Since they partnered with the 1% - what can we expect.
Change the locks while they are on vacation
Remove the capitol - so they go home after vacation.
Like you video
Thanks man
George said it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF1Ixo_faas
These parties are a problem because capitlaism is the problem. They represent those that benefit from this system, the 1%.
Those that are being destroyed by this system need a party of their own, devoted to dismantling capitlaism. I believe that a party that replaces the Deomcrats and the Republicans -- and yes, they must be replaced - will be ineffective unless it puts into place genuine socialist policies aimed at a the expropriation of the banks and corporations, the redistribution of the wealth and the full democratic control of the economy.
Here is the program that I support:
The Breakdown of Capitalism and the Fight for Socialism in the United States http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/sep2010/prog-s06.shtml
Capitalism would have been letting hte banks fail. Socialism/FAscism is saving them.
Genuine socialism and fascism are opposites. In any case, capitlaism caused the entire collapse to begin with - it has been decades in the making -- and capitalist governments around the world are busy plundering the public treasuries to cover the bad debts of the banks. It is an effort to save the profits of the very rich. Socialism means that social wealth is controlled democratically by the working class.
Fascism is a branch of socialism. The difference is the state doesnt own the private property in fascism. But there is a stronger police state.
You can have either of them, or capitalism, and if the general population acts this irresponsibly, then all three will fail.
The people are what have failed this country. Buy everything, eat anything, drive faster, bigger houses, dont worry about raising the kids, etc. Its a freakin mess.
OK, lets do it, remove them! Who do we replace them with? Will the government function in the mean time? Do we just recall them nationwide en mass and hold new special elections? Can anyone with a party affiliation run in these new elections? Do we bar certain parties from running? Are we trampling on anyones rights by not allowing them to run? A lot more questions seem to emerge here.
Replace them with normal, hard working people. Teachers, scientists, police officers, etc. As much has I would love to remove them all ASAP, it would prob have to be done during the elections.
Very simple message- I you like this mess, vote for the D/R Duopoly.
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Here's a way to get the message across to both parties: " Hazare has also called for an amendment to the election laws to require that voters always be offered the option of “None of the Above.” When it prevails, parties would have to come up with better candidates."
New York Times, October 30, 2011, Beyond Occupy By BILL KELLER
Now here's a marvelous idea worth importing from India that will fit nicely into American culture of bumper stickers and Twits to get the message across very effectively. The timing is ideal as close to 90% of people disapprove of Congress and there are no viable third party candidates running for office. Just imagine the election night coverage and the headlines next morning announcing the election results - Republican 20%, Democrat 20% , 'None of the Above' 60%. No party will be able to claim a mandate and go on to serving their own special interests. The power will still remain with the people. I am not sure if our constitution or election laws will allow to put 'None of the above" on the ballot to officially tally that. But, our ballots already have a space for a "write in" candidate and exit polls will give a good enough count of "None of the above". 2008 Senate race in Alaska proved that enough people will exercise the "write in" option if energized enough. This is the best way to frustrate the politicians and special interests who bankroll billions to get them above the magic 50% mark. It will show that after spending millions of dollars our politician-emperors have no clothes.
Yes! People always forget about the write in.
Memo to America: Stop waiting for Democrats and Republicans to save you. It’s bad for your health and your future. Can’t you tell? You have another choice - use it!
"WAKE UP PEOPLE!”
Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( www.revolution2.osixs.org )
Enough talk, it's time to get organized. Join the Revolution for direct democracy in America. Real government by and for the people.
The reactions that posts like these get is always 100% for it. I cannot figure out why OWS will not publicly denounce the D/R Duopoly.
By not doing so, it makes it look rigged.
Yessssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Besides my own this is the most intelligent post I have seen on here.
listen to this person-- he is right
and he clearly sees what the rest of you are conditioned not to see.