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Forum Post: United States is becoming rapidly one of the most unjust societies in the world," Brzezinski

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 2, 2011, 4:49 p.m. EST by thecommonman (63)
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In stickball there was a rule called "Your OWN MAN said so" It was when your own teammate ruled against you.

See Zbig (Trilateral Commission founder) and Mrs. Alan Greenspan . aka. Andrea Mitchell statements:

Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski numbered the United States among "the most socially unjust societies in the world," citing American income inequality, and said that social injustice is diminishing the relevance of Western countries to the rest of "a world that is now universally awakened."

Another Morning Joe guest, NBC's Andrea Mitchell, added, "I agree with just about everything Dr. Brzezinski has said."

"The United States is becoming rapidly one of the most unjust societies in the world," said Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser (NSA), during today's Morning Joe. "And that is raising basic questions about the relevance of the West to a world that is now universally awakened, stirring, restless, conflicted."

He also said that "the West today is somewhat corrupt and easy about its value system."

Brzezinski defended his claim. "Social disparities between the rich and poor in the United States are now the most severe in the world," he said. "There is a measure called the Gini coefficient that measures social inequality, and the United States is at the top of the list, with -- if I remember correctly -- China, Brazil, and India, I think."

"I'm not talking about places like . . . Rwanda," he hastened to add. He might have also noted, at that point, that the U.S. doesn't have China's brutal one-child policy that mandates forced abortions on women who become pregnant with a second baby.

Brzezinski also said the Europe has greater upward socal mobility than the United States, and said that the United States must moderate it's foreign policy -- "how do we extract ourselves from Southwest Asia?" he asked.

Another Morning Joe guest, NBC's Andrea Mitchell, added, "I agree with just about everything Dr. Brzezinski has said."

Brzezinski offered a dire view of American foreign and domestic policy prospects in years to come. "We have to face the fact that we are going to be living now, for probably the next several decades -- several decades -- in a world that is going to be unstable, turbulent, with periodic crises," he said. "We no longer have the power to dominate it or to shape it."

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[-] 6 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Why is Dr. Brzezinski suddenly making statements on NBC that would have been unthinkable a mere few months ago - statements such as "The United States is becoming rapidly one of the most unjust societies in the world"?

It's because OWS BEGAN, a couple of months ago, to SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER.

THANK YOU, OWS, the Force is with you because you are faithfully serving the Truth and thus doing GOD'S WORK.

[-] 1 points by thecommonman (63) 2 years ago

complete agreement - could not have said it better - and I tried too!

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

You didn't read or listen to much of anything before OWS did you? Even goofs like Michael Moore were talking about problems in America before OWS. This really is one the of most short sighted and weakest arguments I have read on this forum.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Now to make this clear, please note the dates on these articles discussing this issue. Many of you were probably still in diapers:

news.google.com/news/story?q=1%25+wealth&hl=en&client=ms-opera-mobile-android&nomo=1&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=677&bih=373&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=aroDmi1mjPCYtjM&ei=EmDZTp7tGM-4twfnzYztAQ&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=5&ved=0CD0QqgIwBA

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Posting from a droid sucks when trying to provide links. Especially to search results.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

it's a tablet. copy and paste. It is a list of articles from the 80s discussing the 1 percent, etc.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

OK. Both of you dismiss the FACT that many many many of us have been talking about the disparity between truly wealth and the sinking middle class for years and act like you discovered this fact. OWS didn't give people the fearlessness to talk about it - it's been talked about for years and years. Twitter and Facebook brought it to the attention of the people who can only read three sentences at a time without getting distracted.

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I've been talking it about for years. I've actually tried to always buy used cars, used clothes, used books, and whole foods. According to the law its nearly impossible for me to avoid Frankin Foods and crap I don't want to risk eating. People ask where does OWS go, I keep telling people they vote with their wallet every day. I suggest they volunteer in their community and donate time at thrift stores and food pantries and get to know the 99%. A protest is nice but your money will tell them when its time worry about their hedge fund.

[-] 1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

I've been talking about it for decades. To me, that is merely a symptom. The problem is that this is being done by design. That part took me longer to comprehend - or accept.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

And this is where we part ways in our theories. I don't think there was a grand design. Simple greed of corporate heads, misplaced idolatry in sports and Hollywood. Also the "wants" of consumers. I type this from my tablet. We are all to blame.

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

Everyone seemed to think the poor would rise up, they did everything for short-term gains, get in make yourself the biggest bonuses ever, take the money and run like hell! None of these CEO's care about anything beyond their next bonus. The sad thing was that it got this point before people said, "Hey, something is wrong!"

[-] -2 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

I still don't understand why we only discuss CEOs and not Hollywood, rock stars and sport elite The fact that we as a society give so much of our money to these people is pretty sick too. Look at what some stars get for just an episode of a TV show or a movie. As a society, our priorities are screwed up.

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

As long as people keep paying high speed internet, listening to tunes, paying their cable bills and going to the movies, the billionaires can remain virtually anonymous, happy assured that the masses will work themselves into the ground in the pursuit of happy fairytale stores. Their Ancestors claimed they bought a country with shiny glass beads, I've never been sold on the idea they actually bothered to buy off a Native American, but they were able to buy slaves with beads. Entertainers and CEO's are the designated diversion. My sister traveled to France years ago where she saw Newspapers from around the world showing pictures of a dead Palestinian baby a running a story on the atrocities happening in the world, the US newspaper had a celebrity on the cover and inane headlines. She said it looked more out of place, fake, and contrived than the rags you buy in the checkout line with headlines like, "An Alien Stole My Baby."

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"pinker", you sound just like a TROLL for the 1%, trying to shield them by claiming "We are all to blame"...

That's just as logical as claiming that ALL Germans were equally to blame for World War II !!!

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Yes, everyone who differs in opinion is a troll. I make about 50k a year. I don't speak for anyone but me. If you go to Adusters' website, home of the man who DID start this movement, Kalle Lasn, you will see that consumerism IS part of the problem. I dislike Lasn, but agree that we are part of the problem in our greed for STUFF.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

You ARE a troll, my friend:

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

As for your contention that "we are part of the problem in our greed for stuff", YES BUT CERTAINLY NOT EQUALLY SO. See "Inside Job" and discover that some of us are MUCH greedier - sociopathically greedy - and definitely more culpable than others...

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Fine. I'm a troll. A troll who likes to contemplate human nature.
Good evening, Sir Wiki.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"A troll who likes to contemplate human nature".... and brand your brothers and sisters "stupid"? That's not CONTEMPLATION, it's CONTEMPT.

True contemplation I recommend, it can do you no harm.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

You're not my brother. That's part of my personal human nature - there are people we don't get along with. I don't wish you ill will, as I'm sure you're a decent person to your family and friends. I simply want to make clear that thinking OWS has emboldened a thinker/writer/professor to speak out is an uninformed claim.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"there are people we don't get along with", you write. Do you feel that justifies contempt and insult on your part?

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

No reply button below. You are none of those people to me. Your statement was misinformed and wrong. Better? Arguing over ad hominems doesn't change that fact. Goodnight.

[-] 0 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

I do when it is so. Your statement: " Why is Dr. Brzezinski suddenly making statements on NBC that would have been unthinkable a mere few months ago - statements such as "The United States is becoming rapidly one of the most unjust societies in the world"?"

Uninformed. He's been saying it. Many have - in newspapers and on television. For years. Your statement is not SORT of wrong. It's wrong. Accept it.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"Your statement was misinformed and wrong." Do you always see things in black and white like that??? That is so immature.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

I feel strong wording is needed sometimes to make a point. You are on a public forum. Some of us speak more frankly than others. Cope.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

If you disagree with someone and try to "make a point", as you say, do you SERIOUSLY think that calling him or her "stupid" will help him or her see the light???

is that how you would bring up a child, for instance - or communicate with a spouse - or talk to a friend or coworker?

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

You have far to go on your journey to enlightenment. Bear in mind that Orwell worked as a government propagandist during WWII.

Do you know about the CFR? The Bilderberg group? Skull and Bones? Barry Seal?

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Yes, no, yes and yes. I'll stick with my thoughts on this, but will read about the Bilderberger group and report back.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

I remember over a decade ago people were called "conspiracy theorists" and "paranoid" by the MSM for suggesting the group ever existed.

Find out how Lynn Forester met Evelyn Rothschild. Note that Lynn Forester does (or did) run Ronald S. Lauder's company.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

I have read a bit about the Bilderberg group and realize I have read of this before. My problem with considering it a secret group of Western elite is that looking over the attendee list by year, it changes each year - different attendees. I see CEOs sometimes, but I also see professors and journalists. Because the attendees invited changes yearly, I see it more as a meeting of the minds.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

Where was Heinz?

I am pretty sure Obama made the Bilderber meeting during his campaign. Bill Clinton also attended prior to being appointed as candidates. Its probable that both Bushes did likewise. Bohemian Grove is another eyeopener.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

You are too MISINFORMED - (REMOVING "STUPID" HERE BECAUSE IT HURT OPs FEELINGS.) Do you really think OWS started these discussions? THESE DISCUSSIONS STARTED OWS. My God, many of you really have been sleeping and it took Facebook and Twitter to wake you up. Good morning. How was your nap?

[-] 1 points by littlebilly (12) 2 years ago

TIOUAISE is right ! or i must be stupid also - when ows first took over Zuccotti Park, formerly called Liberty Plaza Park, soon to again be called liberty park or freedom park. it set off a chain of events, that has encompassed the globe- nothing will ever be the same again! training web page http://tinyurl.com/7rvpv43

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

They did a great job of making people aware, but to say they gave people courage to finally speak out is utter bullshit. They got the warm bodies to show up. And that's great - masses are needed.

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

I think it did give people who were shy about telling a room full of people pimping ideas like free-market, deregulation, and privatization where to stick it! You've got to remember, younger people always feel as if older people are looking down their noses at them, just waiting to call them naive. (Let's face, sometimes we just can't stop ourselves even though it serves no real purpose.) Anyway for younger kids being able to actually have a thought and communicate it without fear of being bashed on was pretty new to a lot of them. So in this OWS was very effective in getting shyer types to learn how to speak out. It did help, they will go home and put before their toughest critics, their blasted families.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

I agree. But they didn't give people like Brzezinski courage - he's been speaking freely for a very long time. That's the post I was replying to.

[-] 1 points by JadedGem (895) 2 years ago

That's true none of the better speakers and supporters are newly awakened, its just that suddenly newly awakened people are listening. People have been talking for the longest time, yet reason didn't prevail, and here we are. Still when you ask people to stay the hell out of Walmart for a couple of days, they are like, "Really? Do we have to?" Answer: "Only if you want to impress somebody with how serious you are!"

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"stupid" = typical, limited TROLL vocabulary.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Yeah I called you stupid. Your acknowledgement doesn't negate the FACT that these topics are not new. See above.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Yes, you did call me "stupid", like the typical semantically-challenged TROLL, who hurls insults instead of having a productive exchange of ideas.

I did not receive your insult, so I guess you're stuck with it in your throat and in your heart - at least until you've apologized for it.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Apologize for what? What you wrote is naive and shows a lack of doing any serious reading in the past. Or maybe you are just young. If you are in high school, I apologize.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

If you are in primary school, I accept your apology.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Okay. You are obviously young. Won't fill up anymore bandwidth with back and forth crap.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

OK, "pinker", you can go back to your Remedial School for Trolls... Bye, bye, happy trolling!

[-] 3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Brzezinski offered a dire view of American foreign and domestic policy prospects in years to come. "We have to face the fact that we are going to be living now, for probably the next several decades -- several decades -- in a world that is going to be unstable, turbulent, with periodic crises," he said. "We no longer have the power to dominate it or to shape it."

Global warming is here, and it will cause social, economic disruptions and create environmental refugees on a scale we have not yet seen.

About this the repelican party remains in perpetual denial. I'm sure they won't handle the reality as Brzezinski sees it: "We no longer have the power to dominate it or to shape it."

I have no doubt, left to them they will make matters much worse as they seek to realign the world to suit their nostalgia for what was and inability to grasp what is.

The Occupy Movement, I have no doubt, was a significant social influence in creating the opening for such statements.

I also have confidence that we will be hearing more things like this in the weeks and months to come.

[-] 1 points by thecommonman (63) 2 years ago

i think you are right Zendog. the question is why? Is the insane chessgame for global domination that exilerating, so to cause the poverty of the entire world.

are they not impressed enough with their priviledge and comforts?

they are not so smart as to contain the potential volitility of a mass communication masses. even if they shut down the web. the genie is out of the bottle.

the world is aware of the concept of the 99% - an idea that was still inconcievable just four months - now it is global

you would think they would lay low having been totally shown up so badly.

they are exposed. they are not that smart.

cheers to the OWS movement.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Why?

Why is any man blind to his own ambition or the results thereof?

Any group of such men will no doubt reinforce their own myopic views, like any gambler chasing after that illusive winning card.

They are fools. Their time is short.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

He did not seem to mind creating the instability in the Middle East. No problem for him. He didn't seem to mind the next group of heroin addicts in the US or that he increased the odds for terrorist attacks on our soil. This was nothing for him. Nothing. It was all worth it. Confessionals to soothe their own guilty conscious is not enough for me.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I confess, I haven't followed his career with rapt attention.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

He is one of the most vile humans on this planet. He willingly, consciously, intentionally, deliberately utilized an extreme interpretation of Islam imported from Saudi Arabia and into Afghanistan to create a jihad against the Soviets. The US and Saudi Arabia funded the Peshawar Seven. Math textbooks for children used AK 47s and dead Soviets.

Out of this came the Taliban. And bin Laden. The Arc of Crisis.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Wow.

I did not know.

I'm glad you haven't seen my master plan for the repelicans - it would make his look rather pale by comparison . . .

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Well, is it as good as your poetry? Hmm. I should add that I like your poetry.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Wow, a fan.

Which one(s)?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Jules, the Tongue and Butterflies in Sonnet

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

In truth, two of the poems you cite remind me just how empty, how vain, how useless words are.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I'm sure Ginsberg said the same thing with Howl and Adrienne Rich said the same with Delta.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Is the Howl poetry?

I guess that's a matter of perspective . . ..

I'll have to google Delta.

Here's one I really do like:

Nature's Autumn

Noontime shadows lengthen, sunlight pales,

leaves slowly browning as the year blends autumn.

Brilliant flaming colors paint the hills

defiant joy in death, Nature's subtle hymn.

. . .

Warmth, morning's early promise, no avail,

cold damp descends in darkness on the land.

The flaming trees too quickly stripped by gales

that leave the branches hung like barren hands.

...

Morning after morning, the sky seems mourning.

It weeps it's little bitter acid tears.

The heedless hands of men have wrought this burning

bitter rain, without a care, concern, or fear.

...

Beware, this is Nature's silent warning:

a greater madness man is spawning.

...

. . . . . . . . . © D. Winter

...

[edit] cool, thanks - I just looked up Delta by Adrienne Rich - it's a gem. The last couplet has a finality, a determination, a closing door slamming quietly shut kind of appeal to it that is stunning in its utter simplicity.

a delta springing from the riverbed

with its five fingers spread

I guess it loses something when taken out of context.

Here's the rest of the poem.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I like that but it does not seem to carry the same ......intensity(?) underneath the surface as the others.

Ginsberg said so and so it is.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

It seems kinda overdone and pale next to Delta. That's a great poem.

I think I must like Autumn just because of the couplet at the end, it makes me feel so clever . . .

madness man is - it's a Shakespearean device, one I think he normally used for humor, but that's just my impression. I like breaking the rules.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

It is clever. It isn't over done at all. I am not the pro here, you are. So, I read things and look for things differently. Not "proper". I just started reading your other poems at your other site-as I have only been to the one. You are so talented.

Delta is a whole different thing. I like the two lines preceding it: If you think you can grasp me, think again: my story flows in more than one direction

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Delta is a powerful poem, full of dignity, conviction, and an iron will tempered by a gentleness I cannot yet identify.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20453) 2 years ago

Looking at the Gini Coefficient for 2010 the U.S. ranks 52, confirming that it has the most income inequality of any developed nation in the West.

Here's a link to the statistics:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_inc_equ_un_gin_ind-income-equality-un-gini-index

[-] 3 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 2 years ago

We are in trouble (USA) if the Republicans remain or gain power everything is lost.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Found it: Interview from 1998. I wonder if he still thinks this was all worth it. http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Brzezinski wants to know how to get out?

He is the man responsible for us getting in. The Arc of Crisis was his baby.

[-] 1 points by Wealthy (20) 2 years ago

Yeah, he bitch slapped Obama pretty good!

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 2 years ago

Wow, if this guy is starting to get scared, that is significant. Maybe what he wrote about in his book "The Grand Chessboard" is finally coming to pass. God, talk about skeletons in his closet, he's got a whole graveyard full.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

Are you kidding? People in Africa fight daily like they have since we stole them. They fight over territory. The Muslims hold century long grudges and we're the morally/socially unjust country? Give me a break. If you don't like it get out.

[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 2 years ago

I see a problem when somebody claims that the United States is the only thing holding the world together and that it will fall into chaos because it won't be able to police it any longer.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

I never said that. I think we should get the hell out of other countries business

[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 2 years ago

No the world is going to be more peaceful now that the US is going to cease to be the police of the world imposing their imperialist agenda.

[-] 1 points by CafPop (45) from Rochester, NY 2 years ago

I agree with this, it's been going on for a long time, and it affects every nation in the world, even (and/or especially) the ones that we don't have any dealings with. Is this post somehow going against what Brezinski is saying? I can't see any argument against his statements being sound in any way shape or form.

[-] 1 points by thecommonman (63) 2 years ago

there is no argument,

It is a stunning admission of some of the most powerful figures in global political discourse and gives good reason for the actions and attitudes of the OWS movement.

We need not live in an Age of Blatant Class Warfare that is completely being propagated and won by the 1%.

Adrea Mitchell is married to Alan Greenspan, architect of the crash and bailout economy. She is also a broadcaster for MSNBC as a Washington correspondent. Where is the true story and why is she mute on the details, when she agrees with the injustice? ...

Where are the Woodward and Bernstein's of the Media when it comes time to reveal the agenda of the Bilderbergs and the top1%?

... last time I asked Rachel Maddow about Bilderbergs, it was like Deer in the Headlights.... it is tough being an NBC (until recently GE employ) and leveling with your viewers about the extent of the Secret Society nature of the 1%..

This is an unexpected crack, confession is you can hear it, in a system gone mad without any ethical consequences... and unfortunately for a most unprepared generation, it is likely to get worse before it gets better.

Now the Fed bails out the Euro for the Benefit of the Too big to Fail Banks over-leveraged in European Sovereign debt. They lost their bets and we pay.

and the public is in zombiland...

with the exception of the OWS movement that provokes statements of truth by the likes of Brzezinski and Mitchell.

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Actually the United States is about in the middle of a list of 100 countries when it comes to income inequality.

Those with the least income inequality are generally small and wealthy countries like Luxembourg, Sweden, Germany, South Korea and the worst countries are poor countries like many in Africa, Central America, and of course Asia

[-] 1 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Our poor stil have it much better than the vast majority of other poor, so the immigration will not stop..

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 2 years ago

Hmm...Brzezinski and Mitchell. Bet they're both pretty rich. So does that mean they are unjust? Are they going to give all their money away in the name of "justice" ? Beware of millionaires spouting socialism.

[-] 0 points by RufusJFisk52 (259) 2 years ago

he is right. We now just passed 1867 in the senate....that is worse than forcing one child policy

[-] 1 points by thecommonman (63) 2 years ago

1867 is a crime against the Constitution on the level of Treason.

the Age of Representative Government is as dead as the Age of Kings. it has been corrupted beyond repair and needs to be replaced by Direct Democracy over the web.

[-] -1 points by irsfaggot (171) 2 years ago

Brzeninski and Carter also support Palestine and hate Israel.

But OWS hates palestine and love Israel, so are we going to pick an choose?

Carter and Brzeninski have for years now publicly condemned US power

Now that the USA is broke everyone was listening, before when everybody profited from worldwide theft nobody listened.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Where are you getting this stuff?

[-] 2 points by 99time (90) 2 years ago

This person with the disgusting screen name is trying to get occupiers fighting. Desperately looking for an issue to disagree upon, he brings up Israel and Palestine, which was not a subject here on this post.

Sorry, we are not taking the bait.

ALL DAY ALL WEEK! OCCUPY WALL STREET!

BANKS GOT BAILED OUT! WE GOT SOLD OUT!

END THE WARS! TAX THE RICH!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm with you!!!!!!!!

[-] 0 points by irsfaggot (171) 2 years ago

ISRAEL & PALESTINE is NOT a subject here, A I P A C talking-points.

WHY in the fuck is it NOT a subject? Why is it verboten? See for me having studied this shit for over 40+ years, I know that Israel is the cause of most of the pain and suffering, the reason the USA is now in malaise is because A I P A C robbed the USA to fund Israel, but still after 40 years of looting Israel is still a failed state.

[-] 0 points by irsfaggot (171) 2 years ago

Baby Jeebuz loves me this I know cuz O'Reilly tells me so.

Everything I know is listening from the source, don't you realize that C & B have been on the road for the past 20 years in opposition to Israeli settlement in Palestine?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

If that were all you said, I could accept it.

You certainly didn't need FLAKESnews to tell you.

[-] -1 points by newjustice2 (50) 2 years ago

This is double speek if you read his books he has been dreaming for this day he is a high level NWO operative.

[-] 0 points by fjolsvit (957) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

That may well be correct. It's hard for me to assess where he stands. He has advocated global projection of US hegemony. He did instigate the Soviet Afghanistan war. It may well be that he is telling us "the US has failed, let's try something new, like a North American Union".

I am fully convinced that f'ng the US is the conscious intend of some powerful elements within the Shadow Government.

[-] -1 points by irsfaggot (171) 2 years ago

Thanks I give you credit for that insight. I too have read his books, have you read Soros as well? OBAMA's team frequently quotes their best line "Never let a good crisis go to waste", I think every totalitarian technician on the planet is watching this and ready to make their move. The autocrats have already taken over EUROPE during this crisis did you see how they outed berlesconi and papandreous? Two elected assholes GONE and replaced by BANKERS???????????? :) WHEN BREZINKSKI was in power he was one evil fucking asshole I remember well, but now in his later years he and Carter make their money on the road giving talks, somebody has to anti-israel, and there's money in giving those talks, these aren't stupid guys, carter like clinton makes millions a year giving talks, But what do ANY of these fuckheads really care about? POWER This is why OWS is so clever by hiding the real leadership and finance we can't yet figure out where this is really going. Once we know who is the POWER then all will be known. What I do know is what subjects on OWS are banned, and that also tells me who is in power.

[-] 0 points by newjustice2 (50) 2 years ago

Correct sir looks like soros is behind this movement but doesn't mean people like me and you can educate the masses.

[-] 0 points by irsfaggot (171) 2 years ago

Me tningkl soros is good man,] If if you can edooocate 1 moron in your liefetime you wins set-lao\

[-] 0 points by newjustice2 (50) 2 years ago

No sorros on purpose shut down countrys threw fraud like they are doing here in the US and in europe if you like that than your right.

[-] -1 points by pinker (586) 2 years ago

Whatever to the NWO operative, but this thought from people who have only just awoken to societal analysis and think OWS is the catalyst are not very well read. They brought the ideas to social networks.