Forum Post: Unions put in their place
Posted 11 years ago on June 6, 2012, 6:06 p.m. EST by tedscrat70
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Any one can tighten a wingnut. Anyone can pick up garbage or sweep a floor. but if you put 10,000 people who tighten wingnuts or sweep floors together, they would be useless without the employers and the corporations with the brains and money to provide the jobs and the capital to open business
The government cannot create jobs, that is for the private sector to accomplish.
If the employers and the people with money were to go away, the unions would be SOL since the jobs would go with them
I am glad reason and sanity ruled the day in Wisconsin
Talking about wingnuts.............................
"Wingnuts" apparently share a common interest in seeing a little fiscal responsibility rule the day. Those who are not "wingnuts" apparently start to cry and slap the losing candidate.
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So you think the 10,000 floor sweepers, etc. are useless without the employers? How useful do you think the employers would be without the employees? They not only would not have anyone to do their work, they also would not have anyone to buy their products or services. It is doesn't take much education to know that man existed long before big banks and corporations did and they were able to survive without them. Just how long do think companies could survive without employees to do the work and customers to buy their goods and services? DUHHHH!!!! Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTQ1WOC9RgY
agreed
The unions with their wingnut members have served their purpose, and the employers have learned lessons.
but we are now threatening to enter in a new age, where the union holds corporate america and the economy hostage.
You are asking about the floor sweepers. You don't get it! Union employees live off the hog while the others pay the tab. Jobs go oversees because employers do not need to worry about benefits for eternity at a cost of pennies to the employee of a foreign nation. Why do you think chinese imports are cheaper than American products? Those costs have to be recooped somehow. If the unions were so in touch with the common man, perhaps the union roles in wisconsin would not have shrunk by over 50%
yes employers have learned their lesson they can keep wages low and will continue to. As far as china is concerned employers already have that advantage even with non-union minium wage workers. Unions didn't drive jobs into china it was unfair trade agreements by the demorepublics.
This wasn't even about manufacturing. Most union jobs are public sector jobs. That's admins shuffling paper all day for the federal, state and local gubments. They do little. They create paper and policy. They're a burden. We need less of them. Gubment should not be a jobs program. Shrink it. Gubment is a parasite as are unions.
Do you get paid to do this? I want your job.
Why should a teacher or a police officer be REQUIRED to be part of a union to earn a living and do their job?
Why should state workers be REQUIRED to give union dues against their will and the union turn around and donate those dues to politicians that the individual worker doesn't agree with?
So what if they give your dues to a politician you don't like? Don't vote for them. Unions dues just aren't that much. After 4 years at the phone company as a temp I got sick of CWA BS and company BS. When they called me to come back to work after a layoff i said, "I got another job. I'm not coming back". The lady on the phone say's to me, "You mean you won't come back unless we make you permanent?" I thought, "she's trying to get me to negotiate". I said, "No, I'm not coming back." She got really mad and word spread over town that I was an asshole. So I left town. That's the wonderful world of big business and union politics.
Why should unions have that power over individuals? The worker earns the money. Why should he or she have to submit to a union for their livelihood? It's thuggish.
You know the recall gave the senate to the dems, right?
And sanity did not keep Walker his job. An 8-1 campaign spending ratio did.
Sounds a lot like Obama v McCain circa 2004.
The dems I guess will need hotels.com points for their extended stays in Illinois then
Pyrrhic victory, they take the summer off and then comes November again.
Walker spent 30 mil, Barrett spent 4 mil and the unions spent 21 million on the governor's race. Please don't tell stupid lies, it makes you look stupid.
I'm sure they can direct themselves
Most of the jobs HAVE gone overseas.
and automation
If one followed that line of thinking, the maker of covered wagons would have protested and bitched about the automobile. and the maker of steam locomotives would have bitched about the diesel. There are people out there who have the brains and the know-how to adapt to changing situations. And there will always be people who will be willing to work for them because that have the job and means to a livelihood. That is the way of American enterprise
PS- it is the people with a lot of money, compared to the average, that are REALLY pissed off at the corruptoin going on at the top .01%.
corruption needs to be routed everywhere, union and corporate, without the demonizing of the top 1% that seems to be too prevalent here. Both sides need each other
I understand what you are saying. But we are in a global environment now, and the rate of return simply isnt very good in America.
We arent that smart. We dont work that hard. We have a lot of regulations. And our workers cannont come close to competing with BRIC countries.
So, the way to bring jobs back involves perhaps a two-fold approach. the first step I have already mentioned, let the minds and ingenuity of this nation run its course in a system of profit as reward. the second step involves, if not loosening, then at least streamlining the regulations and, unfortunately for some, pass on more benefit costs to the employees; to bring the cost of goods down and make our products more competitive
Then those same people can't afford to buy anything. Are you young, because you sound like a child talking and haven't learned from the history of this country.
The history is very complex and the rules have changed. And I am sure that the buying power of the consumer will be OK
Jobs aren't coming back. The Tea Party will bring this country to it's knees.
Your right and it'll be soon. People in wisconsin. Bend over and spread you\r cheeks and lub up. Their going to stick it to you again with lies from the right. When you have lower pay and zero benefits don't cry to no one, and then bend over so I can kick you in the ass.
How hard is it to tell these Tea Party people- 'look, your a nice guy but your just too stupid for public office'. I used to live in TP type neighborhoods and I told my friends that all the time. They're just regular people but they're really, really dumb.
Being a nonunion private employee I do not suppose I would have much to lose by anything Walker proposes. Like any other venture in life, there are no guarantees. But after seeing the alternative in action, all over the world, as manifested by cities, states, countries, that cannot afford benefits and womb to tomb succling by another generation of government tit babies, I am extremely interested in giving politicians like Walker a shot.
Nothing wrong with wanted to bring in gov spending. Europe's debt crisis is already here, we are living the beginning stages of it.
Tea and OWS have a lot in common, if you can get past the media stereotypes of each one.
Of course they have a lot in common, but what is OWS supposed to do while the Tea Party takes over the republican Party? If OWS decided to focus on taking control of the the deomcratic party then the Tea Party would be dictating the situation. That's not good. The Tea Party is tricky- there's a method to their madness. I wonder if they they know that. Doesn't matter I suppose.
What would happen if they took over the Republican Party?
PS- the establishment is not willing to stop the spending, it has gone up every year ever. The establishment will never bow to the demand to control spending.
Maybe the TP admires Clinton for the balanced budget thing. Or was that BS too?
Im sure they give most of the credit to congress for that, like the Dems give all the credit to Clinton.
Im not sure if it was BS or not, but I know I dont trust their accounting worth a shit...
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Last night the citizens of Wisconsin sent a strong message to the useless corrupt unions.
You call unions corrupt and not this cititzens united. How unreal you are. It's ok for them to do it but not unions.
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