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Forum Post: Unions and Pension Spiking

Posted 4 years ago on Nov. 3, 2013, 5:32 p.m. EST by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181)
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One of the reasons I stopped listening to cable news several years ago was that neither the neo conservative new channels or progressive liberal channels were able to actually intelligently discuss ALL the conflcting issues surrounding our biggest new stories. Be it Union Pension reform, Gay Marriage, Mortgage fraud perpetrated by wall street, or Consumer debt issues, Nobody was willing to give both sides.

If you have never heard of pension spiking, than you are proof that cable news is more so a polarizing device to keep the left and right firmly in the spotlight while completely marginalizing the moderates.

If you decide to google "pension spiking". use quotes around both words so that google only looks for those two words in a row, you will get a more efficient search result.

I don't bring up pension spiking as an "aha" moment. I think city workers get the shaft in several ways. However, the passive (blame unions for pension debt) aggressive (unions using pension spiking) approach is not a good enough approach nowadays.

So Apparently my comments are being removed as I attempt to reply to the Union whores. Here is an example of what is going on in regarding pension suffocation. http://www.pressrepublican.com/0100_news/x1125105821/North-Country-leaders-testify-at-mandate-relief-hearing



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[-] 2 points by myows (133) 4 years ago

If I have the ability to work these massive amounts of overtime that you refer to, it is because the upper management has cut the workforce by over 50% . But the truth is more like they've cut the workforce by over 50% and also cut the overtime available. I work for a large telecom and I've seen this firsthand,. The CEO, on the other hand, has gone from 7 million to 23 million to 36 million dollars a year.


[-] -1 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 4 years ago

I'm discussing state and city unions, and after 30 years of pension spiking, it is quite possible that overtime is now being discouraged.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

I've already discerned that you are basing your opinion on stuff you've already admitted that you don't know.

One more thing, is no surprise.


[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

How about "golden parachutes"??

What have you got against unions???

Who "invented" that term?? That GOP, Alec guy Lutz?


[+] -6 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 4 years ago

what I get out of your comment is that it is a complicated issue, and I agree with that. If Firefighters live shorter lives overall than spiking their pension compensation is understandable.

If Police officers have to watch their back even when they are off duty, so why not pension spike if it is considered legal to do so?

I think it is a very complicated issue. Firefighters generally don't get to choose what fires they fight or how responsible the property owner was in keeping their residence free of dangerous substances, they just fight the fire.

Police officers can have an entire career ruined by one mistake, how does one price that level of risk?

I have a theory that when labor negotiations occur, the lack of a third party being present, a Ralph Nader type of person that watches for the public welfare is what ultimately compromises whatever deal is made.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

What I see, is you refusing to address some other equally real problems, while demonstrating a VERY shallow understanding of the one you're bitching about.

So instead of dealing with it like an adult in the threads you actually started this in, you start a new thread like some kind of f* up troll.

But.....so be it!

Who scheduled that overtime??

Who understaffed??

Who signed the contracts?

And why is it you feel that among all the other even more fucked up contracts out there, this is the one you want to bitch about, like some kind of Rush Limbaugh spin off?

Do you secretly HATE public workers?

Or just unions in general?

[-] -3 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 4 years ago

It just comes downs to numbers at some point. What percent of a state's yearly budget should go towards pensions?

Who cares who scheduled the overtime, it's people who also get pensions, so what? You are implying that the entire staff worked a ton of overtime, Instead of a hundred workers working an extra 100 hours a year, it might be 5 workers working an extra 500 hours a year, but only doing it for one year.

The yearly cost is the same, but the pension obligation may have just increased by 50%

What is your fascination with Limbaugh? You seem to promote him at every turn. I have never even heard him talk about pensions.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Are you capable of answering the questions I asked you??

Please don't ask any until you do.

I feel the need to discern your motive.


[-] -2 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 4 years ago

Just because you ask the same questions 10 times does not mean I have to answer them ten times. I already answered them. I am a moderate. A moderate is one who avoids condemning either polarized political position even while being condemned by the polarizers from both main political parties.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

You are no moderate.

Not at all.

You can't answer the questions, because you don't know..

I get it.

All I'm asking is that you quit pretending that you do know.

[-] 0 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 4 years ago

I answered your boilerplate questions. In typical progressive polarizing fashion, anyone with a different viewpoint from yours is automatically categorized as being a neo-con.

The neo-cons do the same thing, anyone who disagrees with them must be an ultra progressive.

Meanwhile moderates get shortchanged in the media as a result. I get your scam.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

When you come in here with a decidedly anti-union, anti-worker, anti-pension attitude and try and pretend you are a moderate?

Please don't expect me to believe you.

Like I said, NOTHING you've said here is new stuff.

It's tired, worn out, teabagge(R) bullshit.



[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

either the old must work to live or not

is their not enough luxury to go around ?

[-] -2 points by DebtSUSPENSIONRights (181) 4 years ago

Yes there is enough luxury to go around for elderly who worked all of their lives to make it so. Except that politicians and wall street have wrested it away with ponzie style gambling investment schemes that actually contribute negative value to society.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

What might those be, pray tell?


[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

if people have extra money shouldn't they spend it on what they want ?


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago