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Forum Post: Understanding FLAKESnews.

Posted 4 years ago on Oct. 2, 2013, 6:10 p.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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What is FOX? Pensitore Review pulled no punches in answering that question back in 2009:

FOX News is indisputably the most popular cable news channel.

And yet in 13 years, Fox has never broken a story. That’s okay, because it is not in the news business. It is in the news-shaping business. Its programming is an admixture of right-wing propaganda and fear-porn for feeble-minded paranoiacs, served up by spokesmodels who have no clue what they are reading.


And this doesn't include it's imitators, like Drudge or the Daily Caller.



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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

"Stuff Is Just Made Up" - Fox News Insider :

''So, Fox News as a legitimate news outlet? The source laughs at the suggestion, and thinks much of the public, along with the Beltway press corps, has been duped by Murdoch’s marketing campaign over the years. “People assume you need a license to call yourself a news channel. You don’t. So because they call themselves Fox News, people probably give them a pass on a lot of things,” says the source.''

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

What are the ultimate effects of it's massive market penetration?

Who and how many believe the lies they tell?



It's effects are evident.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Sean Insanity, Bill O'Blimey, Mygun Smelly et al, are really just the bat-shit-crazy end of a very fukt up MSM 'spectrum' and the likes of Rant-Radio's Thrush Slimeball et al, would have people believe that The Wholly Corporate Controlled 'ABCNNBCBS' are somehow ''liberal'', lolol !!! The entire MSM in The U$A is right-wing by any objective, international or rational standards, ffs !! Thanx for your chart, graphs and equation laden links, although I'm not sure that you needed such intricacy to prove your point, lol !

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people" - John Adams - Second POTUS (1797 - 1801) & ''For news you won't find on CNN or Fox'' - inter alia, I strongly recommend :

Re. the last link, Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky demolish one of the central tenets of US political culture - the idea of the "liberal media". Instead, utilizing a clear & systematic model based on massive empirical research - they reveal the manner in which the news media are so subordinated to corporate and conservative interests, that their function can only be described as that of "elite propaganda".

Also fyi : http://www.occupy.com/article/we-write-our-own-history Onwards & upwards, even if sideways.

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

I know these things, yet still, I guess you would have to be here and experience exactly what I'm talking about.

To know what it's like to attempt to converse with a FLAKESnews addict.

This doesn't do justice to the reality of what FLAKESnews, el al. have writ.

Nor does it address the result, and that is after all, what I am aiming for.

The rest of the World has perhaps not heard the sounds of late night AM radio.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''Mainstream media give very little coverage to poverty and the working class. It's a public interest failure.

''New media outlets, from blogs like Daily Kos to social media, appear ready to fill the coverage vacuum. There are independent journalists and Twitter activists who prolifically cover issues that affect the working poor from debates on raising the federal minimum wage to securing labour rights. The American Prospect, a left-leaning socially conscious bi-monthly magazine, particularly does great work on highlighting poverty.

''The fast-food worker marches this past summer were a watershed moment for poverty coverage in many ways. Mainstream media coverage of the protests was scant (the Guardian a notable exception), but reporting and analysis were available elsewhere online, most notably from Democracy Now!, the independent TV network that ran a feature online titled "Forgotten Poor", offering viewers a glimpse of those struggling to make ends meet.

''If this growing underclass of poor Americans continues to be ignored, it will be permanently damaging to what remains of the independent character of US journalism. By bowing to their corporate sponsors in forsaking poverty coverage, the mainstream media is doing a huge disservice to us all by denying us a national discussion on poverty that has not taken place in decades.'' Excerpted from :

I hear you from a distance re. reactionary, AM hate-radio but don't lose heart shooz, The 99% Struggle is generational and it is the young who can not even vote yet that are the key along with the ~50% who don't vote, in alliance with the struggling working and middle class who will turn things around - provided they have a real option to the current, rightwing, repugnant, reactionary corporate owned sham and thus I'll again append as a shot in the arm & fyi : http://www.occupy.com/article/we-write-our-own-history ~*~

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Some history, from '08'.


It hasn't slowed down in the least.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Your linked video shows the average GOP voter as the bat-shit-crazy, pompous, ignorant zealots that they are but - so ?!!! What were we expecting ?!! Fox 'informed' reasonablists, lol ! Also fyi, try to see :

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago


I'm guessing you don't really understand the extent and effectiveness of market penetration.

It's one of the few things the US is still number one in.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Re. The U$A, there's lots that I ''really don't understand'' shooz but I know that I fkn hate that wanker, Frank Luntz !!! He is one dangerous s-o-b & a prime protagonist of 'The Manufacture Of Consent', whom Edward Bernays and Walter Lippmann would probably have considered extreme & uncouth !! Thanx for the link and beware The Mind Managers and PR purveyors who can get Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving !

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 4 years ago

There must be a joke about turkeys, thanksgiving and black friday mindless shopping in there somewhere :)

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''Black Friday'' - WTF ?!!! Another thing I 'really don't understand' !! Que pasa ?! Kinda at a tangent but :

Sigh. So a horse walks into a bar and is about to order a drink when the barman goes : ''So, wassup ? Why the long face ?'' ;-)

pax ...

[-] 1 points by HCHC4 (-28) 4 years ago

What did the farmer say when he lost his tractor?

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Dunno but why was the Avon lady smiling ? 'Cause Max Factor ! = Me done for the night :-)

vale ...

[-] 2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 4 years ago
[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Ah, then you know a little about Frank.

They man who "invented" and promoted the term climate change.

Global warming sounds like such a bad thing. Who wouldn't want a little change?

I wouldn't be in the least surprised to find he's also pushing the term "duopoly".

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Frank Luntz is a POS of The Highest Order [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz ] but whyTF don't you like the term ''duopoly'' ?!!! Exactly what else would we call the demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy in The U$A ?!! You're not organically attached to the 'Binary Status Quo' like ZD are you ?! In any case & fyi ...

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Why the fuck don't I like the term??

Because it's a simplistic, bullshit term, that does incredible damage, through the realities that must be ignored to support it.

Further bolstering my belief is the fact that NO ONE has been able to prove it, or even explain it, at the State level, where as a concept, it completely falls apart....

I have said before that I understand how things appear from without, but when you examine the States, it falls completely apart.

When you examine. even the media, it falls apart even further, thus this message about FLAKESnews, et al.

Here are some of things it's wrought, just today.

If you can show this, from the "other side", or explain it's "oneness", then I might begin to accept the term.

Good luck.


That's from the guys that listen to those late night AM "commentators" .


That's from a respected, politician, that actually ran for President, and is currently appointed, by the GOP to the intelligence committee.

You might think she's a joke, but she is duly elected, and NO "emergency manager" has replaced her yet.

And then there's the Southern education system, that results in thoughts like this from another duly elected GOP personality.


Then of course, there's the lies Florida tells.


That from a State that made it illegal to tell folks how the ACA works.

Now if you, or anyone else can show me the equal opposites, then I might start believing in duopoly.

and this doesn't even touch on the effects of libe(R)tariansm, the MIC and other relevant factions.

Keep in mind too, that that is just from today and without looking very hard.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

IF I had to vote in US (S)elections, than in the absence of any real left, liberal, progressive 3rd Party or Independents, then I too would have to hold my nose & vote Dem while channelling Kucinich, McKinney, Sanders, Nader & FDR - BUT it would be like wiping my arse after taking a dump .... not a nice subject for pleasant, after dinner conversation but WTF would be the option ?!

I am NOT advocating removal from ''the political process'' !!! Very far from it & quite the opposite - BUT I do see ''political process'' as much, Much, MUCH bigger than voting for the 'Kissy Sell-Out' ; Bought & Paid For Before they even fkn sell The 99% out - Democrap and Repugnant Pols !! What does it really actually say to us all, that the likes of Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney were gerrymandered and purged from today's Democratic Party and what could or should we infer from that ?!

Effective political activity and the mobilisation of a 99% 'Movement of The Masses' will have to take on a perspective longer than one, two or even three election cycles. A Labour based 3rd Party and True 99% Independents need to seriously challenge the duopoly because Ds have been pulled so hard to the right by the Rs, as to be unrecognisable to The 99%. Nowadays FDR'd be considered a raving pinko, right ?!

Your first link would not open for me (referring to a ''redirect loop'') and re your 2nd & 3rd links, well yes - Michelle Bachmann and Brenda Barton are fkn extremist, rightwing loons - as per your 'crooks & liars' link above, but it doesn't really impact on my pov, other than confirm my first paragraph above. Re your 'dailykos' link - well another example in Anne Packham of a 99% hating, lying, partisan, right-wing shill, corporate-cloned, agent and I get that such Repugnants are far beyond the pale ... but The Democraps - especially at a national level - are still a big fail because they too are co-opted by Corporate Interests, Banksters and The 0.01% Parasite Class.

This is OWS, shooz ; where we - very reasonably, demand the allegedly impossible and try to think the supposedly unthinkable for The US and Global 99%. You just don't get a revolution let alone watershed changes - by sticking with the status quo. OWS is one of the important and very necessary starts of a new paradigm for us all ... either that or it's a dark future of Fascism without opposition.

Perhaps we should all listen to this rather amazing 1934 audio-file from Huey Long - from a lifetime ago : http://www.knowla.org/audio-file/268/ (courtesy of WSmith from another thread) for an inspiring and eye opening message from 80 years ago.

We agree (inter alia) on the pernicious, insidious and corrosive effects of people like Frank Luntz tho' and as is my wont, I append a couple of links in support and corroboration of my points above :

It's all about planting seeds for the future, so here's hoping for a better tomorrow for your child(ren) & my nephews and nieces and for all those who will inherit This Good Earth ... our beautiful, exquisite, fragile, shared & only - hommme ~*~ because despite everything, I'm an optimist when it comes to us humans.

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

This does not prove the existence of a duopoly.

Quite the opposite.

I'll quote myself from above.

"this doesn't even touch on the effects of libe(R)tariansm, the MIC and other relevant factions."

It's much more complex and nuanced than the "duopoly" paradigm can address, and it's that oversimplification that makes it dangerous.

Things are not always what they seem.

There isn't room here to deal with advertizing, which has become another blanket term that no long serves the actual "industry" that is employed to "sell" us things, and these days, that's gone Worldwide.

It's a subject that deserves it's own forum, as it gets lost in this political environment.

Mr. Gatto, should take look at what has happened in Michigan. It completely disproves his statement.

The differences are stark.

I fully agree about planting the seeds for the future. It's why I'm here.

I also believe it's foolhardy to think you can just wait until all conditions are perfectly receptive to those seeds. We are human and that day will never come.

It's important that we find ways to prep the current systems to accept and nurture those seeds, in any and all systems, at all points in the World. At some point, allowing us to overwhelm those systems from within.

If we wish to change them, we cannot fear them. We must integrate into them, fearlessly moving them in the directions, we as humans, need those systems to move in.

It's imperative to move as quickly as possible.

The ultimate survivability of the ecosystem depends on it.

Thinking in terms of a duopoly does this an extreme disservice, if only for the aversion it creates.

The choice of words, as Mr. Lutz knows, are very important

Oh, and as an adjunct?

I have no issues, qualms, nor distaste, in using those "advertizing" systems to get where we need to be.

Fighting fire, with fire, has in many cases, stopped forest fires in their tracks.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

The 'complexities and nuances' get more pronounced and occasionally ''stark'' - the further away from 'The Hill' in DC you get. I am not blind to your arguments & I'm gonna forego the temptation to make an overly glib final comment here. We both don't like 'Frank Putz' (& I love the paradox and irony of his first name - 'cause 'frank' he ain't, lol) & we'll both continue to work for The 99%, fire-fighting in our own way.

I accept that there are some differences between R & D in the USA as with T & L in the UK ... BUT it is the similarities that deeply worry me. We can differ in tactics, strategy and time scales but we agree on the insidious nature of Venal Banksters, Corporations, Oligarchs and 0.01% Parasites & the deep need for Democracies that truly represent The 99% - wherever we may be and the need to create sustainable economies that actually work for The 99% & NOT just enrich The 1% - so, solidarity & nearly no links :

pax ...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

Since this thread is actually about the effects of "right wing" media.

This is what that link about the truckers was about.

"According to the Ride For The Constitution website, this "Truckers Shutdown" will feature "potentially hundreds of thousands of truckers and millions of citizens" converging Friday through Sunday on the nation's capital. There will also be affiliated rallies at rest areas and displays on highway overpasses. The faces of this event are a right wing radio host, outspoken gun activist and "libtard" hater Mark Kessler, as well as a former trucker who believes President Barack Obama is "a radical Islamist."


This is what it's wrought.................insanity.............based on lies.

It makes a mockery, of every honest protest, that ever was.

Let's all drive around DC in inefficient, pollution spewing empty semis, and protest the Muslim in the "white house", 'cause that guy on the radio told us he is and that we should...........

We've come a long way since Huey Long.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

'Dukes of Hazzard' meets 'Smokey & The Bandit' with a big ol' dollop of Tea Party & Bat-Shit-Crazy, is how 'The Truckers Protest' came across and the ability of MSM & Fox & AM Radio to facilitate 'Turkeys Voting Fro Thanksgiving' is beyond comprehensible to some folk (like me). This is why I say this whole gig is also about those yet to vote and beyond 1, 2 or 3 election cycles. As an antidote to your alarming link, from Prof. R.D.Wolff :

I fear that the socio-political situation isn't as far from Huey Long's time as you may assume & also fyi :

respice, adspice, prospice...

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Re. Faux Snewzzz, WTF is there to 'understand' ?! For the unsure, consider this excellent doc. film :

''OutFoxed'' examines how media empires, led by Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, have been running a "race to the bottom" in television news. This film provides an in-depth look at Fox News and the dangers of ever-enlarging corporations taking control of the public's right to know. Also please consider :

From your almost amusing but also alarming link : ''A 2011 Kaiser Family Foundation survey on U.S. misconceptions about health care reform found that Fox News viewers scored lower for factual knowledge than other news viewers.'' But here's what OWS is all about :

e tenebris lux ...

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

The truth shadz, is that even here, there are many who don't really realize how intrusive, invasive and effective this so called "news outlet" really is, when it comes to passing the most insidious of lies.

Keep in mind as well, how many more have been influenced by them.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Faux Snewz's 'fraudcasting' is a curse, corrosion and contagion on the American body-politic and has as little to do 'fair and balanced' as it does ''news''. Also see :

I wonder if 'democracy' has any meaning left in the U$A or is it just demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy now ?

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

just lots of murder

they'll dig up decades old murder cases on a slow day

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

The murder, mayhem & meth stories are there so as to keep everyone anxious, alienated, angry and fearful of each other Matt, so your subtle point is sound and important & thus fyi :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

OIC, but don't you mean the murder of the Nation.


[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

I have a hard time believing in the macro currency these days

why do we want more debt?

collect my taxes from the top

stop paying the top interest for debt

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 years ago

I get that, but I fail to see what it has to do with the effects of FLAKESnews and its imitators and followers.

Perhaps more info?


Economic confusion, is indeed one thing.

Look up MMT to find out what's really going on.