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Forum Post: Un-Occupy Facebook

Posted 12 years ago on July 10, 2012, 7:57 p.m. EST by korey1 (0) from Queens, NY
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Really? Why? Didn't Facebook just do to the "99%ers" exactly the type of thing that Occupy is against? Yet they are still on the site. Just another shining example of "believe in what I believe in when it's convenient". Sounds about right for a group that doesn't even know what they stand for. Get it together Occupy. Find a goal and stop picking and choosing when you believe what you believe or at least go home and stop pretending. Nobody will follow a group that just does what's easy. If you are really in it for the long haul these are the decisions that will have to be made. By the way is there any sort of leadership for Occupy? The only time I have seen or heard of any, who ever it was, just looked like an idiot on TV and couldn't defend himself intelligently when debated. Sounds like a group I'd like to join, well, if I was ignorant.



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[-] 2 points by john197030 (4) 12 years ago

The problem that I see with the movement is that it is not based on core convictions. This is why there seems to be many contradictions with the movement. They're against the 1% but are personally attending college and wearing expensive clothes. They're against capitalism but they need their I-phones.

My fear is that as the movement seems to fizzle and not reach it's goals, it will feel the need to become more extreme and bring us all back to the SDS and Weather Underground days.

[-] 2 points by lunyluvgood (28) from Portland, ME 12 years ago

Occupiers are not necessarily against consumerism - they're against the abuse of consumerism.

Occupiers are not necessarily against capitalism - they're against the abuse of capitalism, and using it to overthrow democracy.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 12 years ago

They're for healthcare and government jobs but against tax-for-work withholding.

[-] 1 points by Korey22 (1) 12 years ago

So let me clear up exactly what I meant in my post. I'll start by apologizing for the way I went about stating my point.

First: If Facebook was a willing participant in the fraud perpetrated by the IPO (which i think is pretty clear that they were) then why is it still being used by the one organization that is supposed to stand against that behavior? It wouldn't be difficult at all to change to a new web site. If Occupy did change sites and possibly even affected the stock price (as well as hopefully start a movement away from Facebook) here are some things that I think could be taken from that:

1) The people will no longer stand for the thievery that has gone on for far too long 2) Occupy actually has some power and even a bit of leadership 3) People will be more apt to join a cause that is actually standing to the Gov't/Wall Street

Second: Occupy needs leadership. Ruling by consensus is great in theory but is not practical. Judging from what I think are Occupy's goals it will need to be a movement that will need to be immediate in it's action. The fact that they are still using Facebook and haven't seemed to even think about stopping says it all.

I have many more thoughts on Occupy and it's movement but way too little time discuss them here so that's all for now.

[-] 1 points by lunyluvgood (28) from Portland, ME 12 years ago

Instead of finger-shaking, maybe you could contribute something. I think your points would be more well-received if you were willing to demonstrate and articulate them in a more civilized manner. Have you considered going to any General Assembly? I at the very least have, even if I have felt discouraged about the movement, I have not blamed the entire movement for some shortfalls. This is a revolution, and revolutions are not easy - they involve a lot of work, and no one person can accomplish the goal. We all must help one another to do that, and that in and of itself is one of the primary goals.

To clarify, the Occupy movement does not support any one person being in a leadership role, but the fact that we are all leaders, and as such, everyone is on the same level when it comes to decision-making. This is much more effective than one or two people making the decisions for everyone. This process is called General Consensus, and it is a pivotal foundational tool used in the Occupy movement.

I'm sorry to hear you've only seen one person on TV that seemed to be unable to articulate himself clearly. This might be because you saw this person on any of the main news stations, which are all owned by the same 1% that has all of the politicians in their pockets. There are many wonderful interviews conducted by Democracy Now and RT News as well as many others that are made by the people, and not big corporations that are sponsored by other big corporations. You can find them on youtube with their own respective channels, as well as their own websites.

One interview that I recommend watching is one that came out around the time that the movement began, which is just a small tip of the iceberg for food for thought - I hope you enjoy it, and I hope it inspires you to seek out more information for yourself. (Also, this man has headlined the lawsuit against the government to repeal NDAA). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhHPIuTQ5k

Thanks for your time.