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[-] 3 points by MichaelB (128) 1 year ago

The real problem isn't with any "-ism" it's with human nature.

[-] 1 points by JohnFKennedyIV (11) 1 year ago

I agree Michael. Human nature is the root of the problem. The majority of people would rather be told what to do than take responsibility for themselves and their family.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

True. The problem isn't with capitalism, but with those who under it's freedom take unfair economic advantage of others. That's why poorly regulated capitalism can be just as bad as the most despotic type of economic system. Once the regulators of capitalism, our Senators and Representatives, set regulations that favor themselves and their cronies over everyone else, their unfair advantage continues to multiply until either financial collapse or revolution takes place.

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[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

It really doesn't matter whether it's called capitalism, it only matters if it's called fair.

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[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Exactly! The unfairness is the reason why Occupy exists.

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[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The problem isn't capitalism. The same people who thrive by fraud and deception under capitalism will corrupt every other system that replaces it. Do you think a change of system will change the cold hearts of wall street?

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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

The only thing that can prevent cold hearts from thriving is well informed minds.

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[-] 1 points by billyx (72) 1 year ago

You sound like you have an idea underlying your comments. Care to share ?????

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[-] 1 points by billyx (72) 1 year ago

Is that a no?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Is there such a system?

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Collectivism.

What people need to realise, is that all the resources of any nation belong to the whole nation, rather than to just a handful of greedy pricks.

This is where Libya was a shining light, despite all the negative hype.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Show me a successful example of collectivism.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Hmmm, I did mention Libya, but that was only collectivist in that the ruler deemed it to be so. You can look these things up yourself, like the Nubian aquifer, Libya's high literacy rate and free education right through University level, and free health care. No interest on mortgages and a fifty thousand dollar gift from the govt when you marry, to enter the housing market.

I'd call that a successful collectivist nation. Using the resources of the country to benefit the lives of everyone.

Must have scared the shit out of the pretend leaders of western nations. Greedy pricks inc.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

That and a gold backed Dinar.

What ever happened to all of Ghadafi's and Mubarack's gold anyways?

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

Libya was a shining light? You're demented.

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Coming from a brainwash victim, like your good self, that's a compliment.

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

YOU dear are the brainwashed victim. get yourself some medical help.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Educate yourself. Please. You're embarrassing your good self, again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THlaMUq6MKU

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

U R Right again Builder. Kudos!

Muammar Gaddafi was fighting against the illuminati and it's the reason why he was killed. Here is a link to his book - "The Green Book" - That resembles nothing like the monster that the MSM painted him as.

http://www.mathaba.net/gci/theory/gb1.htm

He also was involved in this video:

The Philosophy of Liberty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1buym2xUM

Cheers :)

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

if its on the computer it must be true,( not )......................you've been had.

[-] 1 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

Extreme Capitalism certainly doesn't; this doesn't mean that a n ideology that combines the best of Capitalism with the best of other beliefs wouldn't do so. This would presumably involve public education for all and other aspects that create equal opportunity and it would prevent oligarchies from dominating the market so that it isn't a free market at all despite all the propaganda saying that it is.

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Tacoma, WA 1 year ago

Well, look at it this way: the land was given to the "early adopters". Whoever got here first, got a major advantage.

[-] 1 points by ThomasKent (115) 1 year ago

How can equality and equal opportunity among citizens ( and workers) be secured when the means of productions are held privately? Furthermore, Industrialized society demands a division of labor. There is the division between managers and workers— and division between workers the division of labor itself.

Compensaition of CEOs in Europe may be 12 times to 20 times the compensation of the lowest paid employee. The CEO is paid $240,000 when the lowest salary is $20,000 . Does the CEO merit more pay? In the USA the CEO can demand a $20 ,000 ,000 annual salary even when the lowest salary is $20,000, a thousand times the salary of the lowest employee .Could executive compensation be too high?

Capitalism is defined as an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. Wikipedia explains further,

Capitalism is an economic system that is based on private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods or services for profit. Competitive markets, wage labor, capital accumulation, voluntary exchange, and personal finance are also considered capitalistic. There are multiple variants of capitalism, including laissez-faire, mixed economies, and state capitalism. Capitalism is considered to have applied in a variety of historical cases, varying in time, geography, politics, and culture. There is general agreement that capitalism became dominant in the Western world following the demise of feudalism.

The over compensation for executives diminishes economic opportunity for employees and share holders.

Capitalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

Capitalism rising out of feudalism would seem consistent with the political structures of the 16th and 17th centuries and revolutions in United Kingdom, United States and France. Feudalism as the founding Fathers knew it was abandoned over two centuries ago. It should be obvious that private ownership of the means of production for profit doesn’t work in an industrialized society, because the private owners are interested only in profits and not in providing for the common defense, general welfare, etc.

[-] 1 points by JohnFKennedyIV (11) 1 year ago

So ProblemSolver, what is your alternative to capitalism?

[-] 1 points by JohnFKennedyIV (11) 1 year ago

True. Capitalism does provide equal opportunity. The system we are in now is crony-capitalism aka Fascism, which is incredibly oppressive and unequal.

[-] 0 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

With Capitalism and free market operation - yes it does provide equal opportunity.

The question is what do you identify "equal opportunity" as when it applies to individuals and Capitalism?

If you have two people that want to work for an employee and both have college degrees - whom do you think the employer will hire and why? Both graduated with the same degrees and from the same college.

If you have two people wanting to start their own business - each business being the same - one individual has business experience the other doesn't but both have the financial resources to start up their business whom do you think will succede? Do both of these individuals have "equal opportunity"?

When it comes to "equal opportunity" there are variables - and those variables determine the outcome based upon the individual.

There are those who are destined to succede, then there are those who are just along for the ride - fat and happy that they have a job, and then there are those who don't give a damm

Do you believe each of those individuals have equal opportunity if each of those individuals have the same degree of education?

11 million people within the last few years have started up their own businesses - do you think they all "have equal opportunity" when it comes to operating and managing their business?

And yes, capitalism provides more opportunity for a rich person then it does for a poorer person.

But that rich person could squander all the money and become poor. So, in order to stay wealth and be rich requires "braines and education".

There was a program recently where a man was allowed to find $100,000 in a dumpster. He was living on the street at the time. His only obligation to keep the money was to allow a documentary be made to follow how he used the money.

After 2 years he went through the $100,000 and was back on the street -he wasn't stupid by any means. But he spent the money the way he felt he could best use it and was happy to be back where he was prior to receiving that money.

Is that the fault of "capitalism and rich people" - I don't think so.

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[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

All depends on your experience with the business world and people

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[-] -1 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Apology accepted - I know sometimes emotions can get in the way especially when people disagree -

But it shows you have integrity to apologize even though the comment made was acceptable. Instead of bashing people I try to explain my view in a different way.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

It's pretty false in practice, when applied in reality. In theory it can be argued that everyone (with an adequate mind) has equal opportunity.

I'd say the problem (aside from human behavior) is the application of capitalism. I believe it could be applied in better ways.

In my opinion, with enforced caps on profits, it would still be capitalism.

And there is no way I could go open a McDonald's store... because I don't have the cash. So it's not equal.

We have brutal capitalism... we need responsible capitalism now. My preferred final destination would be zero capitalism, but doubtful we could ever just shift there overnight. We need a steppingstone from brutal capitalism to zero capitalism: responsible capitalism.

You know what I'm saying solver, the conglomerate...

[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

you could get a job at mcdonalds, work your way up to manager, save money, buy a franchise.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

While my cousin gets a $10,000,000 inheritance and can start any business?

Think about the chances of someone working at min wage and saving enough to go into business. Look at the sacrifice for zero chance of reaching your goal in 50 years.

[+] -5 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

people have done it. you are a quitter.

[-] 4 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Not these days, and it's rare. And it's not an equal opportunity to some rich kid. People born poor don't go to the same schools and evidently statistically factually way less likely to have close to the same opportunity. Face it, the answer is false.

[-] -3 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

spend some time and do a search on self made millionares,there are plenty.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

That's true and it's also irrelevant to this discussion. So what?

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

read your own posts. what you do with your life is up to you, not the govt,......have a plan and stick to it,..the years pass and you will have accomplished what you set out to do.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

My cousin can start any business tomorrow. It could take me 20 years even if I'm qualified and he's not. So that's the point. It's not equal opportunity. And "read my posts"? You are the one missing the point. I struggled to understand this many years ago. Maybe you need to have some quiet time and think hard.

[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

it would take 20 years,.....so? 20 years will go by anyway, you could do something for yourself instead of whining.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I work full time. Nothing can be done to help you understand the reason the answer is false if you don't see it yet.

[-] -1 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

you're a quitter.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Ya, I don't have all year to explain things over and over to someone like you... a real genius you are!

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[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

you're whining. YOU are responsible for yourself. stop blaming successful people for your failures.

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[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

You know so much about what you don't know.

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[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

re-read my post, turn it over in your mind a few times, you'll get it. its not difficult to understand.

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[-] -2 points by aville (-678) 1 year ago

i understand it, you dont.