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Forum Post: Troll Tactic For Today: Incite OWSers To Violence

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 29, 2012, 4:07 a.m. EST by GypsyKing (9727)
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Posts are cropping up in numbers encouraging us to violence, I assume, attempting to take advantage of our outrage at incidents in Oakland.

Stop. Cool down, and consider. We must not be provoced into a purely emotional response.

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[-] 2 points by AnonymousDigit (2) 2 years ago

Violence does two things only.

1). Turns the American people against OWS 2). Gives authorities a real reason to dismantle OWS.

You will destroy your own movement with violence. Period.

Don't be stupid.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

Absolutely. I feel we need to make an official stand on this. There can be no ambiguity in this area. I consider anybody advocating violence within this movement to be essentially an enemy of this movement.

[-] 2 points by Socrate (28) 2 years ago

This was planned and expected. Two months ago, I talked about how Occupy would slowly turn to violence after having demonized the police and having prepared protesters with violent imagery and propaganda. The anarchists are now testing the waters to see how people react to the idea of property destruction. This tactic will gain importance in the months to come.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

I believe the provocation has been rather one sided, and that has not been on the side of the protesters. But I agree that there will likely be more to come. We must find a way to work around this. A young tree bends with the wind.

[-] 2 points by Socrate (28) 2 years ago

The violence comes from the black bloc who are essentially anarchists like the founders of Occupy.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

I wonder who might be behind the black bloc? They certainly seem to be determined to play into the hands of the 1%.

[-] -1 points by Socrate (28) 2 years ago

The black bloc are anarchists. In truth, the people who founded this movement support their tactics. Both the founders of OWS and the black bloc members believe they are helping the 99%, and not the 1%.

It bewilders my mind that the vast majority of protesters haven't understood Occupy's gameplan of demonizing the police with deeply crafted propaganda.

[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

I think the demonizing has been going the other direction. I am very suspicious of who is really behind what is going on now in Oakland.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

I agree to some degree that the demonizing goes both ways. Certainly there are some that demonize OWS. But in many ways, OWS is it's own worst enemy with it's methods and tactics, and invite this upon themselves. Perhaps intentionally. To encourage "solidarity" against what many OWS see as a government that is illegitimate and oppresive.

I'm not sure about Oakland specifically, but, the NYCGA does not have a committment to non-violence. An exclusive commitment of non-violence has not recieved consensus. According to the NYC Direct Action group they operate using a diversity of tactics, which includes property destruction.

I think the fact that the NYCGA cannot even pass something so entirely obvious and necessary as a commitment to non-violence, speaks volumes about what this movement is about and who is running the show at these GA's.

The previous incident in Oakland, an OWS organizer was not so much concerned about the Blackbloc's use of violence when windows were being smashed, as he was that the Blackbloc kind of stole the show. And in the News Article about the incident, the property destruction was actually highlighted as if it were a good thing. And according to the organizer, they like property destruction to be more strategic.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/has-ows-changed-their-stance-in-regards-to-the-bla/#comment-608439

http://occupywallst.org/article/occupysf-boa-peoples-food/#comment-607073

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

There must be no ambiguilty in this movement's support for non-violence, none. If this is not decided quickly it will alienate EVERYBODY in this country, including the vast majority within the movenment itself. I for one, will not stay in the Occupy tent if violence is not completely repudiated.

[-] -1 points by Socrate (28) 2 years ago

That was a well crafted and researched comment.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

It might be a minor point of word choice, but I am more and more turned off by the word "solidarity". It seems to be used alot around here as an excuse for bad actions. And to me it invokes visions of violence for some reason. Maybe something historical, like the overthrow of governments have been associated with "solidarity" movements. I haven't researched the use of the word, its just the feeling I get from it. Same thing with the clenched fist logo.

How about "peaceful unity" instead.

[-] 0 points by Socrate (28) 2 years ago

We see things differently, but that's OK.

To me, Occupy clearly demonized the police during the months of November and December. They created a poster featuring the police as Tiananmen Tanks, another with handcuffs with bloody wrists, etc... They worked hard to extrapolate from the canister and pepper spray cops. The news articles on this site also attempted to create a rapport between the situation in America and Egypt. American cops were compared to the Egyptian military. To me, it's clear that Occupy's direct action is used to create unavoidable confrontations with the police, confrontations which are later used to paint the police as the dark and evil guardians of the 1%.

Who is behind the black bloc is anybody's guess. However, I believe the anarchists welcome black bloc's actions even if they are note absolutely upfront about it. They do not distance themselves like they once did, and I read the comments of many Occupy organizers who now say that non-violence does not mean no property destruction, but only no physical violence.

We will see, but all the stories am I reading lately reinforce my early belief that Occupy's plan is to become violent at one point and create a civi war in an attempt to cause a revolution.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

Beware of "Socrate". He is none other than the latest incarnation of "Thrasymaque"... LOL

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

kinda like the way the US demonizing Iran

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[-] 1 points by NKVD (55) 2 years ago

Just saw on the news that they trashed part of Oaklands city hall. Did a lot of damage. Not sure what that was supposed to do for the movement.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

Discredit it, I think.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Another status-quo tactic.

Send voices to make fun of us and tell us how useless we are ( new ones daily since the State of the Union address ).

Now also try to tie all supporters of Occupy & 99% to supporting violence.

Does the status-quo feel the heat building? Or What?

We will continue to unite in common cause, for the health and prosperity of "all". Increased attacks let us confirm, THAT WE ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE!

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

I think you are right on in your assessment here, RIGHT ON!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

In a way their interference gives me comfort. They would not bother if it did not matter.

[-] 1 points by Uprising (8) 2 years ago

No. I never suggest any violence. I only suggest to economically strike the scam based economy.

In my opinion, siting down and waiting for police to carry you away is useless.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

Thank you for that clarification. I have always said that we should use every means short of violence. It is clear to me that violence will only provide the pretext for Really Hard state retaliation. We must be smart and work around that.

I still think that this is the troll tactic of the moment, however.

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[-] 0 points by jimmiller5417 (25) 2 years ago

Spray the trolls with non-toxic vegetable dye-- orange -- like a jail jump suit.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

LOL!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No just piss on-em like they are doing to this country and this world.

[-] 0 points by pedro01 (1) 2 years ago

I don't think OWS needs any encouragement, they seem do be able to be violent on their own. In fact since 99.999% of American hates OWS the only way they can do anything is through violence.

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[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20555) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

lmao

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Reagan

Bush II

all admins whose staffers went to jail

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[-] -2 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 2 years ago

GK likes to invoke conspiracy theory's but knows nothing about backing up assertions with facts.

Where pray tell did anyone in this forum today advocate violence? I haven't seen such.

The fact is GK see's itself ( female or male who cares ) as some kind of moderator of human thought, not unlike those that write OWS-CONSENSUS.

The trouble is in the real world, many people are really hurting. My guess is that GK sleeps in a warm bed, and has a good computer and a good education.

Most people living in Oakland have spend 25% of their lives living in prison. What happens in Oakland is perhaps inconceivable to the likes of GK.

So I'll explain.

This is the failure of OWS to invite the 99% ( losers and criminals to their tent ) they then claim future owner ship to such, those fighting the cops in Oakland are not intellectuals and they not bother to follow directions of OWS-NYC-GA, at best understand the real truth here. That the USA is not homogenous that the fact that 99% could work together and get-along was always a easy Urban-Myth 100% Adbuster BULLSHIT.

Some here ask WHY do they take empty buildings? I think the answer is like post WWII in the UK, where they allowed squatting, because returning soldiers had no where to live, but London was full of empty buildings, ... so be it now the homeless returning soldiers want a place to live off the street.

Everyone always has to fight. If you think in life you get shit by being 'nice' then you don't know human history.

"MIGHT MAKES RIGHT", or as the old USA used to say "speak softly, but carry a big stick".

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

You have a right to do as you will. But I am sure that I am not alone in disassociating myself from it, because it will spell the end of this movement if we do not. Furthermore I don't believe that the 99% are losers and criminals.

By the way, your view of who I am is completely wrong.

Finally, I have every understanding that people are out there and hurting. That is what we are all trying to do something about, but if might makes right in a society than you are definitly in the wrong.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

"Where pray tell did anyone in this forum today advocate violence?"

You have: ""MIGHT MAKES RIGHT" and , on another thread, "I prefer Mao-Tse-Tung "All political Power comes from the barrel of a gun"".

Your rhetoric is nothing if not violent and divisive. You come here to trash talk about the New York OWS, yet nothing would be happening in Oakland of any sort if they didn't get things started. You don't want solidarity. I don't believe, for all your fire and brimstone, that you really want to see change. You seem only to want a sense of superiority.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

Thank you for exposing that lie. I didn't accuse him of advocating violence for nothing. This guy is a mere two-bit dissembler.

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