Forum Post: Trayvon not quite so angelic?
Posted 12 years ago on March 27, 2012, 8 p.m. EST by TitusMoans
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A new article available through Yahoo, gives a slightly different picture of Trayvon Martin and the incident in which he was shot and killed. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html
My point isn't to incite inflammatory rhetoric, but to inject some reason into the whole issue by pointing out that there are at least two sides to every story.
There's no other side here. I'm sick of the need to "balance the different sides of every issue, at any cost" ... that permeates into almost every important discussion in this country. There is no middle ground between insanity and rationality. Even if Trayvon Martin was an ax murderer, it wouldn't matter, because his shooter couldn't have based his decisions on facts that were unknown to him at the time of the shooting. If we find out Trayvon Martin smoked more pot than Cheech and Chong, it wouldn't matter (and the fact that this needs to be explained to anyone, is deeply disturbing).
Why did Zimmerman pursue Martin even though he was explicitly ordered not to by police (or the 911 dispatcher)? There's absolutely no allegation that Trayvon Martin was doing anything wrong. His crime was being a black kid in a hoodie. That appears to be the only discernible reason why Zimmerman pursued Martin in the first place.
Zimmerman had no right to confront Martin. The facts indicate that as far as Martin knew, he was being pursued and confronted by an armed man whom was not a police officer, who had no right to confront or pursue him, therefore, even if Martin did fight with Zimmerman, it doesn't matter (because he was fully in his right to defend himself, if that's in fact what happened).
In other words, there is enough evidence, there is a prima facie case (that meets the elements of homicide), and Zimmerman should be arrested and charged (immediately). Questions of fact will be resolved by the jury, but this is a blatant case of discrimination (and so I at least hope if Florida authorities don't act, the Justice Department will).
You are right francismjenkins. Now it turns out that Zimmerman apparently had no injuries, making a terrible situation even worse.
Right, and the fact that police didn't properly interrogate Zimmerman, and then interrogate him again as more facts became available (looking for inconsistent statements, and building a case) is deeply disturbing. I can't think of any other reason for this besides racism.
Check this out.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/46884612/#46884612
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Why do people, who claim to be members of the OWS movement, suddenly develop this urge to unswervingly cooperate with the police when it suits them, and only then?
Zimmerman is a legal resident of a gated neighborhood, so had a legal right to question Martin and ask him to leave, if Martin had no legitimate reason to be there; that's the purpose of gated communities: to exclude hoi polloi. If you don't like it, change the laws that allow gated communities, which are private property held in common by the residents.
More or less, your so-called prima facie case does not hold water. Let the legal experts investigate and decide to proceed without holding kangaroo courts condemning Zimmerman, before the facts have been properly sorted out.
Really inaccurate observation combined with inappropriate generalization. Assume that he was an axe murderer and in this case deserves due process and equal justice under law and the public is few to comment and speculate as it desires. And you are free to criticize them.
And we are free to ignore you.
The police video seems to put the lie to the story Zimmerman and the cops first cooked up.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-martin-zimmerman-video-20120329,0,809426.story
Zimmerman's adoptive father is a retired judge. Maybe that's why Zimm can get away with fighting with cops, beating his wife and murder....
Trayvon was visiting a resident of that community .... so that doesn't work for Zimmerman. Moreover, I have no idea why what OWS may or may not think about police would be relevant in this case? Check your map, New York City is about 1090 miles away from Orlando.
I don't trust the police with anything. I'm surprised that nobody has organized a citizen's arrest on Zimmerman. If I was in FL I would organize a Saturday man-hunt for this suspected murderer. We don't let murder suspects free in any other case, so why now when its a black kid that gets killed?
Despite the fact that the witness and Zimmerman's physical injuries back up Zimmerman's account of the event?
I am all for a good old fashioned man hunt but shouldn't you at least have the facts from both sides presented, as opposed to what is being fed to the media by Trayvon's family's lawyer.
Zimmerman, with his "broken nose" and "head injuries" refused to see a doctor. Now the tape seems to explain all of that.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-martin-zimmerman-video-20120329,0,809426.story
We should have all of the facts. That why Zimmerman should be put on trial, so that all of the facts will be presented. Then we can let a jury of our peers determine what really happened, instead of "trusting" cops from a historically racist town.
He was a seventeen year old boy.He did not have time to fulfill his human potential.I have two sons that are now much much older than that.Seventeen year old boys are not saints.They are young people who make many mistakes.It is a crime before god to kill one in the manner that this boy was slain.
If Martin's killing is a crime before God, I'm sure Zimmerman will pay whatever price may be exacted.
That isn't the point; the point is did Zimmerman commit murder under the legal system of Florida.
Weather or not Zimmerman is convicted of murder is one thing but it should widely be acknowleged that if Zimmerman had followed the instructions of the 911 dispatcher Martin would still be alive today. So, in my mind Zimmerman is at fault. Hopefully his parents can file a civil case against this idiot and ruin him financially.
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During the 911 call, the police dispatcher told Zimmerman not to pursue Martin, but he left his car nonetheless.
http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com/2012/03/trayvon-martin-911-call-contradicts.html
That is not a point but an escape clause
We're not going to await judgement by an invisible being, whose existence we can't even establish.
I would say that the point is did zimmerman commit murder? Screw their legal system, the "stand your ground" law is completely nuts, and gun violence has tripled, if i remember correctly, because of it
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He could of also developed into a responsible adult you ass HOL-
Or maybe not.
Anyway since when getting beat up, is a reason to murder. Zwhateverthefuck should just have took the ass whoopin and went to the gym to learn how to fight. But in 2012 pussies rather shot someone then to knuckle it up. If you own a gun your scared pussy period. A coward. A gun is for people that fear, so your a coward.
Looks like there’s some lying going on around the Trayvon case.
http://nation.foxnews.com/trayvon-martin/2012/03/27/oreilly-2-sides-trayvon-martin-tragedy
What fight?
“O'REILLY: Well, according to the Sanford Police Department report George Zimmerman did have a bloody nose and a wound on the back of his head. Apparently the police do believe there was some kind of physical confrontation between Zimmerman before he shot... and the young man... before the young man was shot.”
Will O’Reilly go after that cop for lying to him?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/zimmerman-surveillance-night-trayvon-martin-shooting-16027434
Trayvon was a 17 year old boy holding a bag of skittles. Besmirching his reputation only speaks volumes of those doing so. Did Trayvon defend himself against an aggressor holding a gun? Probably. Did he make the wrong decision in not surrendering to crazy loon Zimmerman? Probably. Was he 17 years old and not sure of what to do? Most definitely.
Where you there? No. Maybe, just maybe, this was a justified killing. I mean Zimmerman's account, backed up by a witness and the physical evidence, certainly make it seem like a justifiable killing.
Shouldn't this play out in the courts, not in the media? Absolutely.
Trayvon was also on the phone with another witness, his girlfriend. And, yes, I agree, Zimmerman should be arrested and and allowed to have his say in court. Good idea.
And I think the reason he is not being arrested is because the DA is afraid he will not be able to convict him. With the facts that are known, and I am sure there are others we don't know, it would be easy for a defense attorney to plant reasonable doubt in the mind of a jury. If he is tried and found not guilty double jeopardy will apply and he will be free forever, regardless of what facts come out in the future.
Things like this unfortunately happen all too often in our country, it blows my mind why people are so worked up about this particular case. There are probably thousands of murderers among us simply because they could not be proven guilty. Why aren't there marches for their arrest?
It could be that they are waiting for more facts, but I just don't know. I'll think positively, though, and hope they are waiting for more facts before making the arrest. Time will tell.
Zimmerman had a previous arrest record. He wasn't an angel, either.
Look at these two guys side by side, and tell me, seriously, could that kid have beaten up Zimmerman. Zimmerman is ten years older, about 60 pounds heavier, and looks to be in pretty good physical shape - plus he has all the neighbors on his side, and he's armed with a nine mm handgun, a real mankilling weapon.
They wouldn't even have allowed Zimmerman to box with that kid!
" a real mankilling weapon."
LOL. Umm, ok.
Try about ten - fifteen pounds heavier. And if we are going for 'tale of the tape' here - Martin is 6'2" to Zimmermans 5'10". Hence, much longer reach. And he had surprise on his side.
You are saying a 9mm pistol is not a mankiller? Well one shot was all it took to kill Trayvon Martin, and one shot from that gun is all it would take to kill damn near anybody.
Then you say he (Trayvon) had surprize on his side. (WTF?) How the heck to you draw that conclusion? How can you surprise someone who is stalking you with a gun?
Does that mean that overall any student who has been randomly murdered should be angels too, in school and out? Get real!!!
Look fool...murder is murder...the guy hunted him down like he was chasing some kind of felon... Even bounty hunters use better tactics than that murderer did!! Now how many of you are going to chase down someone with a weapon and expect a different outcome? Didn't one story state that Zimmerman was then sitting in his car and Trayvon came up to the car? So, did Trayvon pull the big guy in the red shirt out of his car and start beating his big ass?
Or did Zimmerman try to drive away (like he should have) to go summon a police squad car?
So what about Trayvon's background? Was he some kind of drug runner in the neighborhood? He wore a hoodie so now he has to be painted as a thug....So what? Did he hurt anyone, had he robbed someone? What was the reason he was followed anyway... 'WALKING WHILE BLACK" ?? Now we know that was a crime back in the day, and when a white person approached so-called blacks were supposed to cross the street to stay out of the way of the whites.....Right? One thing about this system....it can make up any type of story, dig out any type of BS...and state that the murder of a young adult who was half the size of his murderer should be made justifiable. Was Emmett Till's murder justified.
Now...Zimmerman has all these stories to tell....but he forgot he was not a legal police officer? Don't make me laugh!!
Whatever you say, post or however you try to justify these actions... MURDER IS STILL MURDER. and Zimmerman and that city WILL NEVER BE THE SAME...EVER!!!! You all are racist, bigots whose minds will never, ever, ever, leave the plantations or the Klan membership! I for one will be happy to see this country filled with hypocritical imbeciles implode!
You certainly are vitriolic; you ought to try for a spot on a radio talk show.
Read the facts.
What facts? If there were true facts this would not have come this far...or got this much media attention....you know...somewhat like the 17 in Afghanistan? As far as Vitriolic....I have that right seeing as how over 30,000 men, women and children of color have been murdered, lynched, and raped by all manner of 'FACTS' and justification in this country over the decades and centuries. Get a life and find out how to stop this madness before the next person is someone you care about..but then again...I am sure it is no skin off your 'HOLIER THAN THOU' snout!!!
Zimmerman said he lost sight of him, suggesting that Martin had an opportunity to flee. Why did he return? Could it be that 6' 3" Martin thought his height favored him against 5' 9" Zimmerman? According to the witness John, this last question here seems to be yes.
John reported the following:
The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me, 'Help, help...' and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” John stated. He added, “When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.
Apart from the events that took place on that day and at that time, nothing else should matter. Anything he did prior to that should not be used to judge him or Zimmerman for that matter.
To drag up suspensions from school etc. is nothing more than an attempt to malign his character. Even Zimmerman's prior actions should not matter. Stick to the facts and to events that took place at that time.
Agreed: only the events of that night should be considered. So far witnesses tend to corroborate Zimmerman's story. The man also suffered head and facial injuries, which also supported his version of events.
but all that happened after he confronted the kid. after he stalked him, at that point it was the kid defending himself. he didnt drag the guy out of his car.
Bull shyt!!! How big is this guy....how big was the 17 year old? Was Trayvon a body builder? Have pale skin men become that effeminate when they see a younger man of color? This sounds like a story that should be on "PUNKED" and it is sickening!!
Trayvon I read was 6'3, it didn't mention anything about build but he seems pretty fit from the pictures. Zimmerman is about 5'9 but a bit of a fatass.
two sides lol one had a gun the other didn't
Here is an interesting video on the subject.
Trayvon Martin Case: Police Video Shows No Blood, Bruises On George Zimmerman After Killing
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-police-video_n_1386764.html
get out of afghanistan
I agree.
First sentence in the report tells you all you need to know. Zimmerman was not acting as a neighborhood watchman at the time of the shooting. But that's how he's described. Bad journalism up front tells you editorial BS isn't far behind. Sorry, this story tells us nothing.
I found it remarkable that in the age of phones with cameras and Facebook that the pictures shown of Trayvon in the media are those of him when he looks about 12 years old and prepubescent.
meh. Still, doesn't matter if he was twelve or seventeen all that much, he isn't getting older, because of Florida's Stand Your Ground laws. its total bull and i hope and believe these laws are on the way out
I have no problem with there being a "stand your ground" law (even a fairly strong one like the one in Florida), but people who abuse that law in the manner that Zimmerman did belong on Death Row alongside the rest of the murderers. Whether Trayvon Martin was a saint in his off time or not may be fun for the media to explore, but it doesn't affect the facts of the case. Zimmerman antagonized, pursued, trained a gun on, and eventually shot down Trayvon Martin for looking the wrong way in the wrong place. For all accounts and purposes the facts above indicate premeditated murder on Zimmerman's part and the attempt to invoke self-defense over what amounts to "He was black and I was nervous" is contemptible.
yes, Zimmerman shot down an innocent man, but my point is that the law itself allows for vigilante justice, which is ridiculous. I have a problem with that law, and it has increased by a large number the violence in Florida.
I think the "stand your ground" law invites abuse. It encourages vigilantism. It's dangerous. It was clearly an inappropriate response to a perceived threat. How real a threat was there? The kid had skittles. Death row is after the fact. The idea should be to prevent this kind of tragedy. We have law enforcement. We have cell phones. Call 911. Done. This is a vigilante thing.
What if what Zimmerman and the witness said is true? In that case the stand your ground law would not even matter, it would be justified in any state.
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No matter what kind of person either of them are, it doesn't sound like Zimmerman had a good reason to confront him.
Zimmerman is a legal resident and part of the neighborhood watch in a gated neighborhood. He certainly had the right to ask a stranger what his business was in the neighborhood.
i do not think so!.. if im there visting someone.. no one has any right to question me. what do you think this is ? if im there walking for no good reason whatsoever.. NO one has the right to question me. this is a free country if you want to think like that you need to move some communist country where they dont let you cross the street with out papers. .. did the guy have papers proving he was a legal resident? if not he was just some creepy guy stalking someone.
It's a gated neighborhood. Please, acquaint yourself with the facts.
are you saying if i live in a gated community and my cousin comes to visit they are not allowed outside without an escort and if they do go out they are subject to death by neighbor for not kow towing? i think the law says.. call the cops the cops ask the questions.
Are you kidding? He can't stop you from passing if you refuse to answer, or make you answer, but yes, his right to free speech extends to saying the words "Excuse me, why are you here?"
exactly.. after that.. im the one being threatened.
Some hated communities have their own police. If you are doing something disruptive or you don't look like a resident you will get questioned. We have a 24hour rent a cop here. Some communities use community watch instead. My moms neighborhood uses it and people ask me all the time who I am bc they don't recognize me. That's their way of increasing safety and they ate friendly about it. Zimmerman wasn't acting within normal procedure and a jury will find him guilty. He was negligent and over reacted.
I have no idea what the jury will say, because I wasn't there and neither were you. Neither of us have any actual evidence to make a decision on, all we "know" is the malarchy the media has been shoving around.
Ask idiot....not follow, or hunt down, or accost, or bully, or take it upon himself to be the judge, jury and executioner and shoot to kill !!
There is a law....a man (child) is innocent until proven guilty... Now who in the hell is Zimmerman??? God??? Has he been watching too many movies?
You sound as if you would do the same....but remember, for every Zimmerman, there are those who do shoot back. This boy never had the chance to defend himself against that boy-Hunter!
Be careful, you're liable to fall off that horse you're on.
Better than the jackass you're sitting on my friend!!
Maybe you should stop your preaching and think about this from Zimmerman's side. He was being attacked by someone considerably larger than him, he was protecting himself. I doubt this was a cold blooded murder like you're trying to make it seem.
pretty sure Zimmerman was bigger than a seventeen year old. HE confronted MARTIN. And he had a gun.
Point is, all the evidence shows that Martin attacked Zimmerman. In which case, Zimmerman has the right to protect his life. If evidence shows that Zimmerman actually did assault Martin first, than I would agree that he is in the wrong. But at this point, it doesnt seem that way.
no there is no evidence showing that zimmerman was dragged from the car. he was a creepy stalker ,, then he got out.. more threat.. then he approached.. very threatening. then the kid defended himself.. and died.
I don't know enough about the evidence to say. but i do know that florida gun law is bogus.
I agree there isn't enough definite information to say who was in the wrong yet. But I do know that the only inalienable right we have as humans is the right to preserve our own lives, by any means necessary. Maybe I think differently about this law because I'm from Chicago, idk
I believe in that right, but the law states that you are allowed to "stand your ground" before running/leaving. Zimmerman could have walked away, or not followed a completely innocent minor, but what he did, depending on whether or not Martin attacked, would be legal, despite the fact that he could have avoided the confrontation completely.
But why did he follow Trayvon...can anyone answer that question? why, why , why?? And...then what was Zimmerman's purpose...was he going to initiate a citizens arrest? And...On what grounds..."walking while black with a hoody on in an exclusive neighborhood that is already suspicious of blacks"? Please...you all are too biased in the fact that you are afraid, and you use your fear to justify your actions to rise up and kill because you have been ingrained to do so since embarking on this continent. You all can't see that the enemy was not Trayvon Martin....the enemy was Zimmerman;s own fear, just as your fears fail to realize this historic pattern ingrained and embedded into your society! There is no justification for the fact that Zimmerman took it upon himself, once again to be the judge, jury and executioner....and that is what is so apparent here.
You have never had this done to you or been put in such a position to understand this since this is your societies way and has ALWAYS BEEN SET UP THAT WAY....for your protection, but you all don't want to see that because of your own paranoia and fear of the unknown. Not all young black boys are murderers, robbers, or rapists, and not all young white boys are angelic, choir boys, or help little old ladies across the street.. Your fears are unfounded and that is what keeps this nation so naive and angry!! And no....I am not preaching....I am disappointed that the handwriting on the wall will never, ever go away in this country and there is really no hope for racial equality or benevolence on these shores...It is a hopeless cause and I truly feel sorry for the lot of you, your families, your children and their children.
Well I don't really want to start an argument on this topic, but for your information, statistics show that african Americans commit a majority of violent crimes in America. So it seems to me that Zimmerman was right in questioning what Martin was doing in that neighborhood, seeing as he had violent tendencies.
Read what I just posted....since you are the grand ole party representative...then certainly you must speak for all white folks who back the NRA, the Klan, and all manner of individuals who have a running ticker tape on all the alleged crime African Americans commit in this country...
So, does that mean all African Americans need to be murdered then? Does that mean that any body who wears a hooded jacket...is an african american and should be detained and followed. So what is the bigoted reasoning behind your statement?
Now, on some posts I have seen the same said about illegal immigrants, and that muslims are all believers in Jihad and should be put to death or run out of this country, or that anyone who wears a turban has a bomb readily aimed at the White House and that Jews have a monopoly and should be annihilated. Is that all you look forward to in life? So you see why you, along with your good old boys club, is on the decline..because of facts and stats and rats in the cellars, gearing yourselves and the world up with fear mongering to keep everyone stupefied and at war with one another, while young white boys continue to walk into the schools and blow their classmates brains out, and young white girls are abducted for the multi-million dollar sex industry by their so-called white protectors, or white babies and children are abducted for the online porn industry enjoyed so much by sick perverse good ole party white boys, and meth labs continue to blow up, and kill children and destroy neighborhoods? Don't make me vomit....you are just as sick as your founding fathers were, but even more so because you actually believe no one sees through all your shyt!! All that I have mentioned lead right back to the Board Rooms of the directors who have their hands in those industries and are the illustrious backers of WALL STREET and in bed with Corporate America... So, as you can see we have come full circle as to the main reason OW exists, to get the greed of Wall Street and people like you from maintaining this falsity through your ownerships of the media, the whoremongering that feeds into the porn industry, the fake genetic food making the nation sick, the drug and medical industry that continues to try to eliminate natural foods and healing processes along with all other manner of under handed dealings that keep the economic system flowing with the blood of this nation so as to keep you and your cronies on top! So, if you have gotten this far with your thick skull, understand that I, as well as many others, have no respect for you, your thoughts, or your welfare...and that my friend is truth...since what you do is continue to live off the energy of good people by collecting corporate welfare!!
"Sick as your founding fathers were?"
Whats that supopsed to mean?
It means..."Know ye the truth and the truth shall set you free"...
Funny your so against prejudice, yet you judge me based on my name... Classic OWS hypocrisy.
But back to your argument. No, if someone has their hood up, obviously we shouldn't murder them, lets not trivialize my point here, champ. My point is that people who dress or act like gangsters should be treated differently, because there is statistically a greater chance that they have violent tendencies. Let me teach you a little more. Gangs all around the country dress in certain ways to promote the fact that THEY ARE VIOLENT. Certain fashion trends are associated with certain stereotypes for a reason. Knowing this, can you honestly say that it is unfair to judge people based on how they dress? If so I would like to see you walk up to a man on the west side of Atlanta wearing all red and shake his hand and tell him to have a nice day.
Guardians Of Privilege is a better definition of GOP, don't you think? The suits and ties that bang for the GOP have got to be the most blood thirsty gang bangers this great nation has ever endured. I've always garnered similarities between the bloods and crips and the US Chamber of Commerce. Their tactics of throwing a whole neighborhood under the bus for a little profit makes them similar in so many ways.
Why would I want to do that old conservative one? First of all I am not a champ, I am a teacher, but that is neither here nor there. What we have here is the failure to communicate and it is just for that very reason that OW exists...as well as global uprisings... Out with the old and in with the new...new era of time that is. So...on that note my friend, which of course you are not really, but I tend to address most as if they could be on my level, as a friend, but then again most of you are not and never will be...but any who......the old party, the old mentality, the old way of doing, reacting, observing, and trying to instruct and indoctrinate the generations to come is being revised, revamped, and reconstructed...without any help from you or your associates. In fact, it is out of your hands entirely because It is part of the inevitability of Universal Law.....and I for one am extremely happy to see it take place. Therefore, you are part of that old mentality...you know why? Most of your generation wore suits, which of course was to indicate how enlightened such a group was is in regards to its intellectual thought, mannerisms and way of life..... Yet, my friend, the greatest evil doers, murderers, thieves, cutthroats, backstabbers, rapists, drug runners and whore mongers of society have worn and still wear suits, some with tails, some without..Some in high positions and some not.....So, really....I don't think your reasoning cuts the mustard in this disillusioned age of fakery and deception. So....until you realize that yours is the type of mindset that needs reconstruction, I am sure there is nothing further we need to discuss at this time! Have a nice day!
Yet another one of your conspiracy theories... "it's all going according to 'Universal Order'" HA, Its impossible to argue with you guys.
Well hell....whose arguing? I speak truths and the truth is you all 'CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" This prefabricated economic world we, you, they live in is not all that it is cracked up to be now is it? So, who made it this way and why is it failing? But this is what is so funny, who am I to try to explain why the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West or why it has done so for millions of years and will continue to do so after all our bones have turned to dust! The Human race isn't really all that important or powerful, when you compare it with the major scheme of things, now is it?
Oh, and another thing....how did Zimmerman get his broken nose reset so fast? I don't see any bandages in the Police Video. Don't you find that sort of odd?
Sorry chief, I'm just using common sense. If he looks like a hoodrat then he deserves to be viewed as a hoodrat. On a lesser note, when you speak of my generation, I assume you don't realize that I'm only 22. But hey, don't worry about it boss. (Notice I call you boss, even though there's no chance in hell you would ever be my boss) Just hope you realize there is another generation of 'suits' coming up. And there's one more thing you should realize, you guys can play all the games you want, but the 'old way' of doing things isn't going away. Nah, us suits make the rules, and there aint a damn thing you can do to change it.
But one thing you forgot oh little one who is still but a mere child in diapers....No one is able to sustain these rules that your generation believe won't go away. You don't keep up with current events across the globe much do you? Mostly everyone on the tele is dressed like hood rats!!!! Folly and foolishness are the ways of the young and the ignorance of life floats away with age... As for me doing a damn thing about it...hey babe in arms...can you change the Sun, the moon, the stars? What...me worry or try to change things? Why would I...it is all going according to Universal order my son. You make me smile...... Hey, let's talk after 2017....OK????
Give me a break......why bother in the first damn place? Did he forget.....911 ???
Like I said ......he chased down a boy, the boy turned and now...well Zimmerman fought back? He sounds like a punk!! Oh....I forgot....a punk with a gun!!!
I've seen my grandmother control a group of young men better than that!
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A right, certainly, a good reason, I'm not so sure.
No doubt Zimmerman used poor judgement. If Martin hit Zimmerman as reported by the witness then he, too, exercised poor judgement.
While Goerge Zimmerman was defiantly in the wrong here we to identify that the only reason this is getting publicity is because that Zimmerman looks kind of white. Recently on a CNN news report a black panther group put out a $10,000 bounty on his head. Now the FBI is not going to touch them. Why is this? Because they are black panthers. If it was the KKK who had put a bounty out on a black man then they would be all over it. They are afraid of political vultures like Reverand Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. This would not have all the publicity it does if a black man shot Treyvon. This everyone needs to understand.
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Q: Trayvon not quite so angelic?
A: Are you suggesting that anyone who has sinned and fallen short of the grace of Almighty God deserves to die anyway? What about assholes - like you? Should we have open season on them too?
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OMG how dare you actually point out the facts that this "boy" was 6'3 and in his physical prime. Or how he had about a 6" reach advantage on the pudgy, shorter, older Zimmerman. Or on top of that, the fact that he'd been suspended 3 times in the last month, and was caught with an illegal substance, and had a tool used for breaking and entering AND had jewelry that didn't belong to him.
Don't point that shit out, this is a race card party.
And, Zimmerman had called 911 over 50 times, he once called on a kid of 6-9 years of age, because he was also black (by his own description). He also out weighed his victim almost 100 pounds and had ten years on him.
The accusations you ditto are not proven, just spin, and not even relevant. you simple are attempting to blame the victim. Even IF Trayvon defended himself, who was stalking who? Who jumped out of their car with a hand gun out, after following Trayvon for a length of time?? Zimmerman is not a cop, and had no badge or uniform. Kid would have been "standing his ground", no?
Do you know why he call on the young black child. Because the child was alone and playing on a busy street. What a racist!
And the 50 times were over 7 years time.
Do your own research lazy and stop gulping down what the race baiting media is feeding you.
Easy killer, don't jump to conclusions while telling others to not jump to conclusions. We will see how it plays out in reality, not the right-wing hate-machine version of events. Face the fact that a law that lets the shooter claim he 'felt threatened' and walk away with no investigation is a bit broken.
not if he came up to zimmerman and started a fight like i've heard happened.
bottom line, zimmerman shouldnt have gotten out of his car, treyvon should have just told him he was out getting a drink, and all of this could have been avoided.
but then we'd have all these race cards piling up and no where to use them. ":/
No actually it is a party for idealists who, with their childish mentalities, still believe in Fairy Tales......"Off with their heads"...oh..I meant hoodies!!!
Nothing is mentioned about the latest revelations on here. Hey, believe it or not...just like 9/11....any one...and I do mean any one who holds the keys to the minds of the masses can create a cover up..
Sarcasm shows that the masses want to remain in NEVER NEVER LAND and gladly let whoever takes control, jiggle the keys!!!
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Zimmerman's father is a retired judge. That is why he wasn't arrested. Judges in America are kings who do what they want and get away with it most of the time. It is time to judge the judge.
World Solidarity!
Daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/28/1078649/-Department-of-Justice-says-it-will-investigate-Sanford-Police-Dept
The Trayvon Martin case has sparked another investigation, this time of itself. Department of Justice says it will investigate Sanford Police Dept. www.dailykos.com Among other complaints, some citizens have complained that African Americans are treated differently by police than whites are in Sanford.
3/28/2012 - Care2 petition site - Justice For Trayvon
http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/AGHQv/zmNf/B18Bb
Hi Dan,
Last month, Florida resident George Zimmerman gunned down an unarmed seventeen-year-old named Trayvon Martin. But thanks to Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, Zimmerman has not yet been charged with any crime.
Now, the National Rifle Association is pushing the rest of the United States to adopt these "Stand Your Ground" laws. »
Passed first in Florida, the law allows use of deadly force by someone who simply feels threatened by another person, even when confrontation is avoidable. »
Since it went into effect in Florida, "justifiable homicides" have skyrocketed, says Tampa Bay Times.
Is this really the kind of country we want to live in? One where it is legal to shoot first, ask questions later? Even when the victim is, like Trayvon Martin, a teenager whose only "weapon" is a pack of Skittles? I don't think so.
Tell the remaining states to reject all "Stand Your Ground" laws before more people are murdered for presenting imaginary threats. »
Kathleen ThePetitionSite
What I said ( what will you say? )
Defense of self and family in your own home is one thing. Promoting in the streets vigilantism is something else. Do not support taking justice into your own hands laws.