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Forum Post: To stop divide and conquer, we must unite on issues not argue differances

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 3, 2012, 5:28 p.m. EST by LongDaysnight (354)
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A combination of political, military and economic strategies that aim to gain and maintain power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into chunks that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy.

(computing) Applied to various algorithms, such as quicksort, that solve a problem by splitting it recursively into smaller problems until all of the remaining problems are trivial.

(as imperative, proverb) In order to rule securely, don't allow alliances of your enemies.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/divide_and_conquer

To UNITE the real left and right must work together on single issues. This is how we will defeat tyranny.

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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

OK children - stop squabbling over minutia -
and UNITE on one issue that 83% of Americans already agree on


We can continue,

a movement of demands
a movement of declarations
a movement of marches

OR


Are you ready
.....................FOR ACTION ?
Are you ready
.....................TO DO SOMETHING REAL ?
Are you ready
......................TO JOIN 83% OF YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS ?


We must not
DEMAND that we WANT THEM.to give to US
We must
DEMAND GOALS THAT WE WILL ACHIEVE FOR OURSELVES


Because of the Supreme Court's decision,
we cannot accomplish anything significant, without FIRST -

Overturning Citizens United !!!
Ending Corporate Personhood !!!


83% of Americans already agree on it
as stated in the ABC/Washington Post poll

.........................................

In the the PFAW Poll -

85% of voters say that corporations have too much influence over the political system today.
77% think Congress should support an amendment to limit the amount corporations can spend on elections.
74% say that they would be more likely to vote for a candidate for Congress who pledged to support a Constitutional Amendment limiting corporate spending in elections.


IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO ACT ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE


Our only immediate goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter Supreme Court decision Citizens United (2010) , that enables unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
“Corporations and organizations are not a persons &
have no personhood rights”

We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we only have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.


IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO ACT ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE


THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE AMENDING PROCESS The Prohibition movement started as a disjointed effort by conservative teetotalers who thought the consumption of alcohol was immoral. They ransacked saloons and garnered press coverage here and there for a few years. Then they began to gain support from the liberals because many considered alcohol partially responsible for spousal and child abuse, among other social ills. This odd alliance, after many years of failing to influence change consistently across jurisdictions, decided to concentrate on one issue nationally—a constitutional amendment. They pressured all politicians on every level to sign a pledge to support the amendment. Any who did not, they defeated easily at the ballot box since they controlled a huge number of liberal, and conservative and independent swing votes in every election. By being a single-issue constituency attacking from all sides of the political spectrum, they very quickly amassed enough votes (2/3) to pass the amendment in Congress. And, within just 17 months, they were successful in getting ¾ of the state legislatures to ratify the constitutional amendment into law. (Others were ratified even faster: Eight —took less than a year. The 26th, granting 18-year-olds the right to vote, took just three months and eight days.)


If they could tie the left and right into a success - WHY CAN'T WE ??????????


IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO ACT ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE


I feel that we should stay with this simple text to overturn CU:
”corporations are not people”
for four simple reasons and one – not so simple:
1
83% of Americans have already opposed CU in the ABC/Washington post poll and the above
IS THEIR POSITION ALREADY.
2
We don’t have to work to convince people on the validity of our position.
3
Simple is almost always better.
4
This simple Amendment is REQUIRED to overturn CU.
And all other electoral reform can be passed through the normal legislative process. 5
OWS and these pages are chock full of ( mostly ) excellent ideas to improve our country.
All of them have strong advocates – and some have strong opposition.
None of them has been “pre-approved” by 83% of Americans !
Pursuing this goal – without additional specifics is exactly what Americans want.
What do we want? Look at that almost endless list of demands – goals - aims.
Tax the rich. End the Fed. Jobs for all, Medicare for all. So easy to state! Can you imagine how hard it would be to formulate a “sales pitch” for any of these to convince your Republican friends to vote for any of them?
83% of Americans have ALREADY “voted” against CU. And 76% of the Rs did too.
All we have to do ask Americans is to pressure their representatives – by letters - emails – petitions.

Wanna take your family on vacation?
Convince the 7 year old and the 10 year old to go to Mt Rushmore.
Then try to convince them to go to Disneyland.
Prioritizing this goal will introduce us to the world – not as a bunch of hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers – but as a responsible, mature movement that is fighting for what America wants.


IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO ACT ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE


I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success that cannot fail to enable us to create and complete one task the MAJORITY.


Join the OWS Restore Democracy Working Group at
http://www.nycga.net/groups/restore-democracy
regular meetings 6-8PM @ 60 Wall St – The Attrium @ Wednesdays
Plan details with supporting documentation at:.... http://bit.ly/vK2pGI


IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO ACT ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
TO END CORPORATE PERSONHOOD


Whereas --
The OWS Declaration of the Occupation of New York City states that
"a democratic government derives its just power from the people,
not from corporations."

and --
the ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 83% of the entire US population
opposes the Supreme Court Citizens United decision,
which affirmed that corporations are people.
and --
by supporting the overturning of corporate personhood,
OWS clearly aligns itself with the vast majority of the American people
who support ending the fundamentally flawed and anti-democratic concept
that corporations are people.
therefore --

We support a constitutional amendment to end corporate personhood.


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[-] 0 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

!!! Ending Corporate Personhood !!!" and stopping NDAA2012 i agree with. Other things are issue by issue with me.

[-] -1 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

Ad hominem arguments work via the halo effect, a human cognitive bias in which the perception of one trait is influenced by the perception of an unrelated trait, e.g. treating an attractive person as more intelligent or more honest. People tend to see others as tending to all good or tending to all bad. Thus, if you can attribute a bad trait to your opponent, others will tend to doubt the quality of their arguments, even if the bad trait is irrelevant to the arguments.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

"Ad hominem arguments..."

Ad hominem are not arguments, they are logical fallacies.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

I thought ad hominim was a way of discrediting to deflect from an issue? Is there another term to describe a logic flaw?

[-] 2 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

An ad hominem is when someone attempts to counter an argument by attacking the proposer of said argument instead of attacking the argument itself. It's also called poisoning the well.

There are hundreds of logical fallacies. I recommend all users here get acquainted with them. Knowing the most common ones is essential if one wants to engage in proper debate. The most important ones are: ad hominem, red herring, reductio ad hitlerum, argumentum ad populum, appeal to motive, appeal to authority, etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Perfect. Thank you. : )

[-] -1 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Please go take your meds.

[-] 1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

Calling ad hominem arguments is shaky at best. There's a debate on the issue. I agree with the scholars who classify logical fallacies apart from real arguments. Some call logical fallacies flawed arguments, but I have always found this unsatisfactory. I like the dichotomy arguments/logical fallacies.

[-] -1 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

I am glad you are aware what a sack of crap you are and you pretend what you do does not exist but save your conspiracy theory's for somewhere else. The rest of reality will just stick with what's in reality now not your denial wormhole. NYCGA is fighting NDAA 2012 join or don't your choice.

[-] 1 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 2 years ago

Are you demonstrating an ad hominem or just being a dick?

[-] 0 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

Being a dick i have tried to debate with this small fringe group about the dangers of NDAA 2012 and they just deny anything that does not fit there view. Basically according to them the NYCGA is insane for worrying about the dangers of NDAA2012.

[-] 1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

Thanks for the insults. They really help to further the discussions on these boards. You're a great help around here. Wonderful.

[-] 0 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

Oh you debate? I thought you just eliminated words, bills, historical fact's and congressional hearings from your reality and pretend you are right.

[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

Check your karma. It's a clue. 100 is a very low number. That's why you're getting dislikes faster than a hooker in Thailand catches HIV.

[-] 0 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

Someone locked me at that number.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

Who was that? The magical forum wizard, or some other entity present in your fabulous conspiracy theories?

[-] 0 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

How do the numbers work? Should it not go up with each post?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

No.

[-] 0 points by LongDaysnight (354) 2 years ago

Sure seemed like it till you set your sites on my. How does it work then?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

Download the code on the Github account, and run a search in all the files for the word "karma". You'll find the calculation this way.