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Forum Post: To our resident trolls

Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 10, 2011, 12:46 p.m. EST by You (62)
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Everybody knows OWS has problems but OWS is only the current brand. We are not OWS we are the people. We will not stop, we will not cave. Everyday a new project, new names, new brands. We will build our own industry out of this movement.

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[-] 6 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

Don't underestimate the value of trolls.

Somebody has to start the conversation. Every time they post something, it is usually some kind of propaganda they have bought into. They usually are just parroting right wings lies and fear

Then an OWS supporter comes along with truth and logic shows that they have no valid rebuttals. Then they start making childish comments and eventually start calling names

The bottom line is that they created a stage/venue where their lies and motives are exposed for the new people to see.

Don’t drive them away, we need them

[-] 2 points by debndan (1145) 13 years ago

I really really try not to drive them off but.... just seems to happen : )

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

Well maybe we should all just coddle them a little more (-:

[-] 2 points by You (62) 13 years ago

it's a ploy to make you feel productive so you don't go out on your own and spread this fire.

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

Really all they do is create awareness of their ignorance and fearfulness.

They just encourage to people to beat them down with the truth

I have learned so much by researching the net. I would not have done that without being energized by their negativity. Yes they really are an important part of the movement

[-] 1 points by Candy (17) 13 years ago

Do you have a girlfriend?

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

Why? What did you have in mind?

[-] 1 points by SHITtheOWS (10) 13 years ago

You are a complete idiot. But keep imagining that the OWS is doing something useful. They actually are very useful. They are showing America how stupid and idiotic left wingers can be with their stupid senseless ideas that have no common ground with reality.

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

Thank you for helping to demonstrate my point

You seem excited and pissed. Like you are worried or concerned

Like you said they are just showing what idiots they are. Why are they upsetting you? Why are you even wasting your time.

That’s OK we know that you think if you keep saying something over and over it will eventually become true. You should get some of those emerald slippers and try clicking them together and chanting

[-] 0 points by Farleymowat (415) 13 years ago

If you are the 99%, this would include leftists and righties, why the vitriol aimed at the right? Good way to alienate half your movement.

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

The only time I mention the right is when some obvious righty starts throwing shit and calling names. First of all I don't even agree with the right/left paradigm. I see it as a device that is being used to keep us divided. I am not left or right bound. I am free to think what I want regardless of what group thinks they have ownership of my values

The last thing those that control America want is us to align.

However there are self-proclaimed righties and lefties that are equally ignorant and parrot their talking points. I have no respect for either person.

When you read these forums, ask yourself who is trying to tear it down. Obviously they don’t embrace the movement regardless of what anybody says or does. Don’t expect them to be treated with fairness and respect when they don’t show any.

[-] -1 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

Not everyone that doesn't agree with OWS are parrots of the right wing. Believe it or not some of us actually CAN form our own opinions.

[-] 3 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

I know that and I don't consider honest people that disagree as trolls.

I have seen a fair share of legitimate points of view and debate. And I personally think it is healthy. None of us should have blinders on for any reason or cause.

The problem is: the trolls dominate the anti-OWS debate so much that they discredit those that are truly trying to have a debate. They actually do more harm than good to those that have an honest opposing view.

[-] -2 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

It's easy to defeat a real Troll........ignore them. they are here to gin things up and if they don't get any fuel for their fire they eventually die out. Or they fight with "trolls" from the opposite side, because they do exist as well.

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

The short answer is most of the time they can’t be ignored (my opinion)

Ignoring them is a double edged sword. Often they post things that sound real believable but are in fact just propaganda.

To ignore their post is allowing believable lies to spread. If their lies are debunked it allows others to debunk it again when it comes back again.

Trolls are benefit to the OWS movement but are a detriment the anti-OWS, unfortunately for people with honest intentions like yourself

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

He is not talking about people who do not agree, but about trolls. If you post in the forum using well formed solid arguments, you are not a troll. I like to read good posts from both sides of the issue.

I am not even against trolls per se. If a troll posts creative insults, then I sometimes get a nice laugh, even if it's against me. Intelligent trolls are always fun. They are like the wise jesters of the King.

My problem is with trolls who copy/paste messages or repeat simple minded rants from others. Their comments are boring. Isn't that the worst poison?

Be for OWS, be against OWS, be a troll, whatever, just don't post repetitious boring material.

[-] -1 points by MikeYD (7) from Alameda, CA 13 years ago

Thank you for your boring and repetitious post.

[-] -2 points by sppratam (-14) 13 years ago

He is not talking about people who do not agree, but about trolls.

Anybody who doesn't march in lockstep with Occupy Wallet's agenda is labeled as a troll.

[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

If you truly believe this, please read my comment in the Why Troll thread and give it a point so it stays up on top.

[-] -2 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

I feel pretty much the same as you do Thrasymaque. But obviously the moderators of this site don't share our views.

[-] -1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

True.

[-] -2 points by Farleymowat (415) 13 years ago

Damn good thing they don't too. Free speech, first amendment rights! Power to the people! Give us your money! Rich people suck! Burn down their businesses! Hell, burn down the country! 99% rule! Even though we are really only the .0099%.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 13 years ago

Absolutely!

My one quibble, we are going somewhere forward. Onward and upward....

[-] 1 points by You (62) 13 years ago

ok ok. i changed it damn. you guys act like it's being prepped for a speech.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 13 years ago

Just funnin ya.

I just can't be dead serious all the time.

[-] 2 points by You (62) 13 years ago

i know, i was being sarcastic :)

[-] 0 points by Joeschmoe1000 (270) 13 years ago

Discussing "trolls" and the definition of what is a "troll" is clearly what "trolls" do on this website.

This particular post adds nothing to the conversation on this site. Ergo, it must have been posted by a "troll".

I suggest discussing actual topics.

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 13 years ago

Actually you just proved my point from earlier post.

“Trolls are benefit to the OWS movement but are a detriment the anti-OWS movement”

People that had no idea of the usefulness and value of trolls are now gaining that knowledge, thanks to trolls

[-] 0 points by LarryBudMelman (55) from New York, NY 13 years ago

Speaking of brands.... isn't it ironic that an anti-capitalist movement actually spent $8000 on a domain name owned by some enterprising scumbag who profited from stealing the name and camping on it?

A simple variation of the name would have cost $15 .....

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[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

Trolls are fine. The danger is those who post boring messages. Kierkegaard once said the worst enemy of man is boredom. I agree. Support OWS, be anti-OWS, be a troll, but please, do not post boring copy/pasted rants that don't tingle my mind in any way. If you want to troll, be creative and attack me with memorable insults. Give me something I can crunch on.

[-] 1 points by You (62) 13 years ago

Everybody knows OWS has problems but OWS is only the current brand. We are not OWS we are the people. We will not stop, we will not cave. Everyday a new project, new names, new brands. We will build our own industry out of this movement.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

wasn't it KiKi Dee who said "turn the beat around"?

[-] 0 points by Spankysmojo (849) 13 years ago

And we are going everywhere. Well put!

[-] -1 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 13 years ago

When you do, will you be able to relocate the industry to Canada? I bet many Canadians would love to stop suckling on the American teet.

[-] -2 points by Farleymowat (415) 13 years ago

You have to have capital for that dude. Hanging out in a park won't cut it. You're going to have to get off your ass and do something besides beg for other people's money and material so you can stay in camp, warm and fed.

[-] -2 points by MikeYD (7) from Alameda, CA 13 years ago

Liberal noun

  1. A fragile flower whose delicate sensibilities are deeply offended when someone presents a fact or an opinion that conflicts with their absurd, ignorant, altruistic view of how life

  2. Someone who supports free speech as long as it doesn't contradict what they believe, then it's no longer free speech, but "hate speech" or "trolling".

Q. Damn, what do we do about illegal immigration? I'm in construction and can't get a job.

A. Let's give them food and water so they have a safe crossing and when they get here sign them up for welfare benefits thats the good liberal thing to do.

Troll noun

  1. Someone who posts inflammatory material on an internet forum meant to provoke an emotional response.

What the forum really needs is a safe terrarium in which to keep our fragile flowers safe from those damaging and hurtful words.

[-] -2 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

If you are so confident of your movement why does the mods of this site find it necessary to delete those who are in dissent of OWS? Or is Free Speech reserved only for people who support this movement?

[-] 1 points by You (62) 13 years ago

OWS is compromised, not the people.

[-] -1 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

Aren't "the people" OWS? And if you know it is compromised why are you supporting it? Why aren't you speaking up and telling the rest of "the people"?

[-] 1 points by You (62) 13 years ago

ah, trying to box us in with a brand. the only person you convince is yourself.

[-] -1 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

Oh for pete's sake, I'm not boxing you into anything... I'm asking legitimate questions that you obviously are afraid to answer.

[-] 1 points by You (62) 13 years ago

no, the people are not OWS.

[-] 0 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

okay,..... then just exactly WHO is OWS?

[-] -1 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

A link to a petition and a link to an article about the OWS and their fear of someone finding out where their "media" offices are? That's you answer to my question? That doesn't tell who OWS is... it tells me that "someone" has a petition and that OWS is paranoid about something....

[-] 1 points by You (62) 13 years ago

if you read, you will get your answer.

[-] -1 points by happier (9) 13 years ago

It's not the first time someone has sent me both those links... I've read them... it still doesn't answer my question