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Forum Post: Those who do not support OWS

Posted 3 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 7:13 p.m. EST by Idaltu (662)
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I keep wondering why people who do not support OWS insist on posting in an OWS forum. It seems odd that people would spend so much time with something they do not like. Why not start a non-OWS forum? I suspect the membership would be ultra thin on OWS types. Which would mean no distractions.

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[-] 2 points by Rico (3027) 3 years ago

Because you claim to represent me.

[-] 1 points by StevenRoyal (490) from Dania Beach, FL 3 years ago

They are either paid, feel that its their patriotic duty to oppose any movement that threatens the status quo, or are right-wing zombies who are programmed (knowingly or not) to fight anything that their media demonizes.

Remember, when right-wing, left-wing, middle-wing, or angry birds are distracted by fighting, the 1% wins.

[-] 1 points by kalap (1) 3 years ago

yea. i saw some people who opposed ows kept on posting. perhaps they wouldn't go to the occupation sites, all they could do was posting on the internet. so you saw lots and lots of their postings, just repeating over and over again.

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 3 years ago

it appears that their goal is to ridicule, none seem to want to participate in discussion aimed at building understanding but rather ridicule by making some ridiculous assumptions, claims and instigating argument.

do not waste time, I have been monitoring their posts and it appears that a few are working full time - - imagine the kind of people in society that would spend their time doing this.

we have work to do --- Government Resignations and Reorganization -- http://wesower.org

[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 3 years ago

You answer makes sense to me.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4829) 3 years ago

Agree.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 3 years ago

Most likely because they either : 1) Have no lives. 2) Want to sincerely express their opinion on certain matters (however vulgar it might be expressed). 3) Are paid systematic trollers. or 4) Actually have a curiosity about the movement, are reserved, and (unfortunately again) have a vulgar attitude.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 3 years ago

You just cannot fathom that there are people who want to counter you brainwashing

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 3 years ago

Urbandictionary definition for Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

Given this definition of the group of people that are referred to in this thread, I have made my conclusion.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 3 years ago

And taking over a public park is??? Maybe garden gnome?

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 3 years ago

Lol. Well, that wasn't my decision. I'm really not sure what would have happened if it were up to me.

All I have to say is that I feel like this movement was going to occur, sooner or later, no matter what. How it happened is just a matter of many choices, individual and collective.

If you see something wrong with the world, do something.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 3 years ago

Read 2 and 4 and get back to me.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 3 years ago

I guess vulgar to you is anything you do not agree with. Both 1and2 assume that all negative postings are vulgar.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 3 years ago

The way you are speaking to me (you are clearly disagreeing with me) is not vulgar, and is your right.

I am talking about those who intentionally do not want to have mature and forward discussions/debates about issues, who have no intention of actually voicing their opinion, and who come off as obviously rude, racist, sexist, vulgar, etc. etc.

There is such a thing as respectful disagreement, and 'agree to disagree'. It's a beautiful thing. I don't understand why more people cannot appoint this attitude in their day-to-day lives.

Edit: "Urbandictionary definition for Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

Given this definition of the group of people that are referred to in this thread, I have made my conclusion."

Hopefully this can help clear up any confusion on what my opinion was based off.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 3 years ago

The saying "agree to disagree" is a cop out. After careful thought I looked at it and said to myself "if it is a stalemate and no one has made any movement, then the point of discussion is, well, pointless. You will find that most agree with some of the message of OWS, but most have a problem with the messenger, OWS. The "in your face" attitude will never, ever win anyone over. If an average citizen saw a group of these protesters coming their way, they would be diligent in looking for a way to avoid them, kind of like the Johavahs Witnesses, no one wants to talk to the them.most people believe OWS is protesting at the wrong place, they should be at Washington DC. But again, the perception of most people is that OWS is a left wing,movement and does not want to damage Obama by occupying DC in large numbers.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 3 years ago

I'm not sure if you've read this yet, but here:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-the-white-house-owh-is-a-go-nov-6th-this-su/

There are many advantages and disadvantages of the approach that the general Occupy movement is taking upon themselves. But these are comprised of passionate and revolutionary individuals who have their own ideas of what to do to 'fix' up the world.

Come out with your own voice, think up your own proposal, and do something yourself if you feel you must. This is just a movement that was waiting to happen. Almost like a foot in the door. Now we can all have the opportunity to have our opinions heard, including disagreements and constructive criticism.

However, I truly think we need to be at DC. I think both DC and Wall Street are the problem, among many other things.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

I can answer that question. I came here originally on October 8 because I thought that I supported this movement. I'm also having a lot of trouble recruiting workers for some high-paying, high-skill, entry-level web/mobile technology jobs, and I thought that there might be some promising prospects among a group of over-educated, under-employed youths who all seem to be armed with MacBook Pros and iPads and iPhones.

What I found in the month after that has made me into a person who "does not support OWS". Because there is nothing to support. And after this week, supporting OWS feels a lot like supporting rioters. Anarchists. Discordians. I never got a single job applicant, and I got insulted over and over on a personal level for even offering jobs before I gave up. It's fascinating that there are people who will reject a job offer to protest unemployment full-time.

Now I come here mainly for entertainment. I try to contribute something useful by playing devil's advocate for some of the really misguided proposals flying around this site. But mainly I'm here for entertainment. I've encountered a lot of really interesting crackpots, because this movement is a magnet for some of the most extreme fringes of society. I kept a journal for a while of some of the most extreme crackpots, before I got bored with it.

I also represent a lot of people who don't have the same kind of attention span that I do, who are forming their opinions about the Occupy movement based on my impressions, which I post on other web sites. For example, I have friends who never would have heard of the Zeitgeist cult if they hadn't heard about it through me, from my experiences on this site. A lot of my friends have been very entertained by the Animal Farm parallels that I enjoy pointing out. And by the fascinating rationalizations for the shutdown of the Port of Oakland, which hurt workers in the 99% but didn't affect the 1% in any way. And every time the moderators delete one of my messages that isnn't spam or trolling, my friends hear about it and that affects their impressions of the movement too. I guess there's a slight blogger-style journalistic aspect to my presence here.

[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 3 years ago

Well it really doesn't answer my question. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands...why not open your own forum and recruit followers. It seems a waste of time to me to continue with something you don't support....but it takes all kinds.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

I have a forum that's a lot older than this one. I do support the ideas at the core of the movement, I just don't support the implementation.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 3 years ago

Have I told you today TechJunkie how much I love you? You dogged, persistent, stubborn, intelligent, well-spoken poster you! :-)

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 3 years ago

:)

I'm hard on these guys but that's because I support the fundamental ideas at the heart of all of this. I'm just sad to see it go off the rails like it has.

[-] 1 points by olas13 (36) 3 years ago

It's always curious to me when someone does not support OWS. This is a movement by the people and even those that oppose it are part of us. If one does not agree with what OWS is doing then they ought to get involved. We're all so caught up in Left vs. Right when there is more than enough room in the middle.

[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 3 years ago

Well of course you are quite correct. Those who don't support OWS are simply in denial about the fact that our government has been purchased by the wealthy elite. The only real purpose of OWS is to get money out of politics, but the non-supporters don't seem to understand this. They go on and on about issues that have nothing to do with the purpose of OWS.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 3 years ago

Jim Jones

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 3 years ago

Maybe those who do not agree with what OWS is doing are getting involved by trying to explain to OWS here, in this forum, what they don't agree with.

We are part of you, and we're trying to show you that we aren't just distractions that annoy you. We are real human beings that you WILL have to deal with in reality at some point and you can listen to us now with compassion and integrity, and perhaps modify your worldwide plans taking us into account, OR you can brush us off, block us, ban us, and ignore us in this forum and deal with our outrage in the future.

[-] 1 points by olas13 (36) 3 years ago

I like it. Now to find a way to get the trolls involved in the conversation....

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 3 years ago

They are. :-)

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

I post one negative remark and then I get the OWS Nazis on my ass saying i'm a PAID troll ... LOL

Looks like OWS is desperate to regain some credibility.

[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 3 years ago

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

You have no class Idaltu.

None.

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[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 3 years ago

I guess this is as good an answer as any..although I suspect they would deny this as much as they deny that our government is totally corrupted by Wall Street. LOL