Forum Post: Thomas Jefferson: Republican Lies Hurt Our Democracy
Posted 10 years ago on May 30, 2013, 9:42 p.m. EST by ComeTogetherNOW
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Thomas Jefferson once said that,
“An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight. It is therefore imperative that the nation see to it that a suitable education be provided for all its citizens.”
George Mason University’s Center for Media and Public Affairs
The center found that 52 percent of Republican claims reviewed by PolitiFact were rated “mostly false,” “false,” or “pants on fire,” while just 24 percent of Democratic statements were given one of those ratings. Similarly, 54 percent of Democratic statements were rated as “mostly true” or “true,” while just 18 percent of Republican statements achieved those ratings.
So, there is now empirical proof that Republicans lie – a lot.
Please read the article here and post away. I think many here will find this an interesting one. And good luck discerning the Truth...
republicans lie so do democrats there is no difference really between the two.
So we live in cesspool, therefore what?
Give UP? Trust No ONE?
Become apathetic and post to OWS the glum reality you peddle?
Nothing matters? Give Up? Don't bother to fight to make anything better?
There's the duality again. Just wondering why you bother to post anything here with such an attitude.
Well, yea. Let's abolish Federal government.
HAH! How about a plan?
can we start at my grave stone and work backwards ?
That might not reveal successful strategy for a plan. Then again, it might except for time goes one direction in our conscious existence.
Some great warriors left a trail of reason in law leading to enforced soveriegnity, but we have to agree on why we are soveriegn.
give me liberty or give me death.
The dems, via obamcare are guaranteeing on the death part.
Politifact is kind of a joke. Very "Kos"-ish.
It would be like hearing a group declare the same thing that was ran by Murdoch, criticizing the left. No point in even humoring it.
So Murdoch is into Fact Checking? NOW That's News....
When did this happen?
I dont think either one of em is into fact checking, they are into agendas.
Politifact is based out of St Pete. Its a well known "fact" not to take anything they say too seriously.
Read again, Politifact is just one of the sources. ANd, by the way, facts are not really that hard to check. A thing becomes factual when it can be proven to those who understand how such things occur. Facts are not in dispute.
But, when you have an agenda, you can easily just say the facts are not true, so there. Many won't check, and if they like you they may just believe. But believing something is true doesn't make it true either.
Denying a fact doesn't make it untrue, but it's a sure sign that whatever idea your pushing it won't stand up to the facts. A crack in the armor that eventually lead to failure. Facts stand on there own, needing no one to prop it up.
You political "facts" are usually someone's opinion when it comes to fact checking sites.
Check it out:
I hate almost every single one of the politicians they rate, but I could argue most of it either way.
Its all opinions, its why they have "half truths", "mostly true" "mostly false" etc etc etc...
Its amatuer hour bullshit.
They all need to be fired.
So how does the human race even muster the will to do science, and not just DO, but DO WELL.
Is science just opinion to you? Is Global Warming an opinion to you?
(While 99.9% of all scientists attest to the fact it is happening. Maybe that's why you don't like facts.)
Yes, education is hard to do which is why many don't bother with it.
Science goes by slightly different methods than Politifact. They want actual facts, not some idiots opinions with an agenda.
The right has their own breed of twits with their "fact check" sites.
Anyone attempting to defend either of these two monstrocities wouldnt know a fact if it slapped em upside the head.
something that actually exists; reality; truth. something said to be true or supposed to have happened
So OTP, do real FACTS exist? How do we know?
Maybe this whole WORLD (earth) is an illusion, do ya think?
Does the Universe Exist, ya think?
Thomas Jefferson was a Republican.
No, nice try, but not true.
Abe Lincoln was Republican, do you see the same Republican Party Today?
Or do these men change over time along with their party?
Thomas Jefferson's party was called "The Republican Party". It was different than the modern Republican Party, but was none the less Republican.
Actually it was called the Democratic Republican Party. Distinguished by agrarianism (anti-business, anti-corporation), isolationism and states rights. V the Federalists (Hamiltonians) who favored a stronger federal government and industrialization.
Democratic Republicans split to become the Democrats (that we know today) v Whigs, who were more or less the old anti-Federalists. Until the Whigs fell apart over the slavery issue when Lincoln formed the Republican party, part anti-slavery Whig, part independents, part peeling off Democrats who opposed slavery.
It is only retroactively called the Democratic-Republican Party. Jefferson referred to himself as a Republican to differentiate himself from John Adam's Federalists.
Jefferson's Republicans have nothing to do with the modern GOP.
And then it became the democratic party. It was originally called the democratic republican party. And, tis true, not even a glimmer of the repubicant party we see today. Devoid new ideas and barely surviving as the party of NO. We know what they R against, anything Obama is for. But what they are for. dismantling the government program by program. Abolish the IRS, as Teddy Cruz says. Abolish Social Security, as Tea Baggarts say. Abolish Public Education. Abolish all safety nets.
As Grover Norquist put it, drown the government in a bath tub. KILL IT.
TJ did say BE INFORMED with the TRUTH. The truth is not always easy to find, therefore one must be educated to be successful at it.
Is that something you can agree with or are against finding truth in things?
It actually failed and disbanded prior and during the John Quincy Adams era. Andrew Jackson founded his own party: The Democratic Party, and considered it the continuation of Jefferson's Republican Party.
Most history books label Jefferson's Party: The Republican-Democratic Party, while Jackson's Party is always called just the Democratic Party.
The modern GOP was founded as the "Union Party", so that Lincoln could run against the split Democratic party of the time. It was not called the "Republican" Party until the 1870's.
The modern GOP has little to no relation to Jefferson's Republican Party, but both were indeed called Republican.
This is not a discussion about modern politics.