Forum Post: This spring plant millions of pot plants.
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 25, 2011, 2:17 a.m. EST by arcticaardvark
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If we really want to stick it to big drug companies we need to use our own kind of medicine. Marijuana has many uses and probably many more we don't know about. It really is a miracle plant. If used properly there are no negative health effects. I recently quit smoking it (vaporizing it) because i need to pass a BS drug test for work. I never use any drugs other than pot. Weed is good for the soul. You can't deny that great ideas come from smoking a little reefer. There is this stigma about pot with some people "it's the devil's drug" or "it's a gateway drug to harder drugs" etc, C'mon! that's crap. Seriously, if people can go down to their local pub, get wasted, and start fights, why cant we legally smoke a little herb and be peaceful loving beings? If everyone plants weed all over the world this spring they wont be able to stop us. Are they gonna throw millions of people in jail for growing a natural plant that grows in the dirt? Ridiculous. We need marijuana as a cornerstone for this movement. If it is everywhere people will be more educated and not so freaked out by it. I don't know anyone who doesn't have a drink from time to time other than former alcoholics. There will be way less crime due to the fact that dealers wont make much money off it. It's a total win-win situation. The only reason it is not legal is because drug company's don't want it to be. I have never grown pot myself, but if there was a campaign to do this i would strongly support it.
The drug policies in this country have nothing to do with the government wanting to protect you from a product which may be bad for you. They do not care about our health, if they did they would have given us universal health care decades ago. It is an excuse to lock people in prison and use them as slaves. The big agenda though is controlling wealth and currency. If people can grow their own money the banks would not be able to control our money supply. They could not trick us into thinking we owe them money anymore. When we as a people find a commodity that is easily recognized hard to counterfeit and can be produced at a predictable rate we will have a form of money without the 1%. Their paper money would become what it is just paper. I would wager that if cocaine grew well in half of the United States it would be legal and it would be exported to every country on Earth. Don't believe me? Look at tobacco.
I'm not for or against marijuana. I do believe the only enforcement of the drug should be if you are driving or otherwise endangering others. In the privacy of your own home, it should absolutely not be an issue in a free country. If we want to be free, we have to be allowed to make decisions about our health/medical treatment/lifestyles. I also agree that one of the main reasons it is illegal is because if legalized it would decrease pharmaceutical company profits.
It's not about Big Pharma...it's about Big Brother. Cops seize your assets and put youin jail. It's Big Business busting pot heads. Bigger than speed traps in bumfook Mississippi.
I agree Big Brother keeps getting bigger and the police are obviously already militarized. Do you think there is an end goal other than profits or is this all just the most efficient way to force the money to the top? Criminalized marijuana is a pro for privatized prisons and right now business is very good.
Militarized police are a whole nother topic....don't get me started about the special ops cops that don't have the training and are deployed for total BS. It's amazing more innocents haven't been killed. You familiar with the Jose Guerra cluster F earlier this year in AZ?
Am not sure why marijuana scares our govt. Really. Maybe it started with the alcohol lobbyists? No matter how it became so demonized the cash cow criminalaztion has become for city, state and federal govt will be hard to dismantle. As Dr Paul asked a shocked audience when he spoke of decrimanalizing ALL drugs...."so, if heroin were legal tomorrow, would you do it?"
I'm not familiar with the Jose Guerra case. What happened there?
I think there are multiple issues behind the war on drugs (mostly related to profits for major corporations) and it will be difficult to dismantle the war machine already rolled out. The choice to use or not needs to belong to the individual. After all, the USA is a free country...isn't it?
oops. spelled his name wrong. You should google around for the video, It was a cop that had a ad (accidental discharge) that panicked the heard into firing 72 rounds at the guy. Great training..only 20 something hit him and they denied emt's entry for over an hour til he bled out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting
Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. We had an incident in my home town where the cops fired 17 shots into a man's chest. He did have a gun, but did not lift it to threaten the police. My friend's were picking bullets out of the side of their house near the front door. It was pretty clear who posed a greater threat to the public safety.
yes. they claim if they don't do an entry like that the perp can flush the contraband while they knock and wait. C;mon, how big a stash can someone have that goes down the toilet in 1 or 2 flushes. Yet, we the 99% are complacent over this.
What a mess. How anyone can think this kind of bloodshed is better than some mature regulation is beyond me.
Police in NYC have used marijuana busts to criminalize an entire generation of African american young people.
http://colorofchange.org/campaign/bloomberg-nypd/original_email/
Stop NYPD's racially targeted marijuana arrest crusade Here's the message we sent to our members. After you’ve read it, please add your voice.
NYPD is targeting Black and Latino youth for marijuana arrests Harassing our communities with illegal searches, giving thousands a record they don’t deserve
Join us in telling Mayor Bloomberg to stop this, now:
Dear ColorOfChange.org member,
New York City's police are targeting Black and Latino neighborhoods with a massive campaign of harassment and illegal frisks and searches, in a push for marijuana arrests. These arrests give thousands of young people a criminal record which can ruin their lives.
Of the tens of thousands of people arrested for possessing small amounts of marijuana each year, 86% are Black or Latino while just 11% are White — even though White people use marijuana at higher rates.1 Marijuana possession is supposed to be treated like a traffic violation under state law, but NYC police are falsely charging people with having marijuana "in public view." It's outrageous, and it needs to stop now...
Im not too sure if i agree.. In Ottawa i frequently smoke pot in public as many people do and most cops leave us alone. It is probably more strictly enforced in the states tho.
There is what they call the War on Drugs in the USA and it's exactly as it sounds.
I've been arrested in Ottawa for growing pot. Knocked down to a misdeamenor on possession, $700 fine, six month probation.
Moral of the story: being reasonable with the police is generally a good idea in such situations, and the courts in Ottawa have little taste for enforcing the anti-marijuana laws.
Of further interest. I found out my record was being incorrectly reported when I got a copy some years later. Had me down as having been convicted for production of a Schedule 1 substance, i.e. operating a meth lab or something along those lines, when in fact the charge was Schedule 2 (marijuana) and the conviction was knocked down to possession, not production. Called the Ottawa Police when I was told they were the ones responsible for reporting. Was very reasonable but they transferred me to the lady who handles difficult callers as soon as they realized what I was calling about, who promptly shut me down and hung up. Called John Howard Society, who gave me an RCMP number. Guy who answered was friendly and had me sorted out in 5 mins. When I went to get the updated copy (from Kingston Police, where I lived by then) they were not at all impressed when I told them about it all, and got the sense they'd heard about this sort of thing before in relation to Ottawa Police. They didn't say anything outright, but ... could just see "oh this again" written all over their faces.
Moral of this story: Ottawa Police are probably corrupt and playing around with their reporting to skew statistics for political purposes, and I probably should have sued them. So I tell everyone about this and hope that someday they might try to bring libel suit against me so I can whallop them with countersuit when they do. Though I doubt they'd be so stupid.
I have heard of cases like this before in Ottawa.
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It is the same reason moonshine is illegal. People were using it as a means of trade (currency). They put a $10 tax on distillation the farmers refused to pay because they had no money other than whiskey. To keep their local economy intact they distilled it by the light of the moon. Marijuana became popular, they introduced the Marijuana Tax Stamp Act. Anyone attempting to obtain a stamp had to show their weed, and were arrested for not having the stamp on it. Prison labor is a side affect.
I think it should be legalized so it can be placed under regulations like alcohol. Licensed sale, no sale to minors, no driving under the influence, no consumption in public, regulations to govern advertising (especially to minors), and so on. I think the legalization movement would do well to take a more mature/realistic stance about it and come up with a practical vision of what full legalization should look like (not just a free-for-all with everyone toking away whenever wherever, or pretending like its a panacea).
I agree 100%
the problem is there will be pot company's the same way there is tobacco companys
More like breweries, I should think. Lots of independant micro-breweries around, even though you need a license to operate one. The concentration in the tobacco industry isn't due to licensing or other regulations per se, it has more to do with distribution and advertising. Not to mention the fact that the industry is fighting a rearguard action and its not really possible for startups to survive in it.
If you're still concerned about weed cartels, just throw in a quota on each license: you can only produce 5000 units annually (or whatever) to keep operations small. Just a matter of thinking these things out ahead of time and crafting the legislation appropriately.
I say that's fine as long as they are accountable for keeping their money away from politicians and treating their employees well!
I would rather just forget the whole selling it through companys thing. If i grew carrots in my garden and gave, sold, or bartered them with my neighbor im not really breaking any laws. The same should be for pot as long as its on a small scale. Can't grow fields of it and sell it tax free obviously
That all comes back to supporting our local businesses which will take a massive movement. I am sickened to see people bowing before the corporate gods on Black Friday already.
Pretty disgusting eh? I think the OWS movement will help bring people back to supporting locally. We need to keep getting the message out. I really hope this results in a huge mind-shift amongst the population. Make people realize that their actions effect everybody. I changed so i know others can. 7 years ago i started boycotting all the big corporations the best i can. I haven't been to Walmart or McDonalds since. I remember the day i woke up. I was extremely angry with what i was learning about how society is. I was 18 at the time.
Keep up the great work! We can make a difference. Some people are slowly coming on board, but corporate logos are practically deities in many social circles.
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Plant bamboo as a replacement for timber while you are at it.
http://www.brighthub.com/environment/science-environmental/articles/12478.aspx
That would make too much sense.. We need a bunch of modern day Johnny Appleseeds planting weed and bamboo all over the world. lol. I live in the boreal forest and i am a forester.As long as it is not an invasive plant and if we could find a way to use bamboo to build houses instead of wood then i'm all for it. I'm not sure how that would work because it would be hard to use for framing etc but with today's technology i'm sure we could find a way to make it work.
It might be easier to use hempcrete in addition to the bamboo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcctSvVFheA
and fireproof fungi for the insulation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-_VPkAN7xY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnSi7ip32AU
Thanks for the links! I love this kind of stuff.
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If you want to learn a little more about it check this out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007
The war on drugs REVOLVES around marijuana.
I really can't think of anything else to say, except, WATCH THIS VIDEO. It says it all.
Stroke and heart attack can be from this wonder-medicine!
No, that is from using alcohol and smoking tobacco. You got it wrong.
I drink (Russian vodka) and smoke (Tobacco). But I do not advise others.
Whatever. You made the claim that marijuana causes stroke and heart attack but that is false.
Unfortunately, it's true. Marijuana - a very narrows blood vessels and increases heart rate.
No, although it may increase heart rate it lowers blood pressure. Where do you get your information from? Do you know of an actual case of a person suffering a stroke or heart attack from the exclusive use of marijuana?
It's just a guess. I am not a doctor, but I think tachycardia, may increase the pressure as well as lower. Deaths from marijuana do not know, but that does not mean that such cases did not exist. All the same, the heart is affected.
and so can viagra. All you have to do to get that is tell your doctor you cant get it up anymore.
I agree.
Im not saying we should all be pot heads.. just some from time to time. It would never cause as many death as alcohol
Here in Russia - very many so was healed. From sins! Now living in another world - clean - clean!
no idea what you are trying to say.
After marijuana, usually begins heroin. And that is, either death or prison. I tell you sincerely! Several of my friends - now, are dead.
That;s ridiculous lol... i've never even seen heroin. Maybe it's more common in russia idk. That argument makes no sense. Ya i know people who only smoked pot, but then started using coke and now are in jail but that was their choice. There is a big difference between weed and heroin lol.
Undoubtedly, there is a difference. If only because marijuana is not addictive. But there are common - a health hazard. A choice - there is any human being. You are right.
Don't waste time arguing against logical fallacies, denounce them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
Logical fallacy: Slippery slope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope