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Forum Post: This Pakistan thing is very serious. It concerns all of us.

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 29, 2011, 6:38 p.m. EST by alouis (1511) from New York, NY
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Some jerks killed 24 Pakistani soldiers and guess what? The Pakistanis are p o'd! Without Pakistan's help, withdrawing from Afghanistan is likely to be more costly and slower than anyone would want.


The border incident has thrown the coalition strategy in Afghanistan into crisis. The Pakistan military insists the attack on the checkpoint was "unprovoked" and that it lasted for two hours, even though Pakistani forces had contacted Nato, pleading for the firing to stop. Afghan officials continue to claim that the airstrikes were called in after they came under fire first from the Pakistani side of the border.

On Saturday, Pakistan closed the border for supplies to Nato troops in Afghanistan. There is no indication when the border crossing will be reopened. Half the supplies to coalition soldiers pass by land through Pakistan, including most of the fuel supplies, using local transport companies. , the All Pakistan Oil Tanker Owners Association said it would only resume transport if Islamabad and the Pakistani military accepted an apology for the incident.

The Chinese intervention carries a significance beyond the immediate dispute. Islamabad considers Beijing to be its closest ally and an alternative partner to the west, while both governments oppose US plans to have bases in Afghanistan beyond the 2014 date for ending the coalition's combat operations there.

Coincidentally, Pakistan and China began a joint military exercise in Punjab province involving about 500 soldiers and designed to show, as the Pakistan army put it, that the "Pakistan-China friendship is higher than the mountains and deeper than oceans". It was the fourth military collaboration between the two countries since 2004.

The former spokesman for the US state department, PJ Crowley, who now holds a professorship at Dickinson college and Penn State school of law, said China was seizing the moment. "China sees this as a target of opportunity, both to tweak the US and to subtly suggest to Pakistan that if it really sours of its relationship with the US, it has an alternative."

As US diplomats struggle to limit the damage from Saturday's events, much will depend on the outcome of the investigation Nato has promised into the airstrike. The inquiry is likely to be led by a senior US officer.

The focus of the investigation will be on the poorly marked border between the Afghan province of Kunar and Mohmand. Coalition and Afghan troops believe they received fire from insurgents operating from close to the Pakistani post, which is located 300 metres into Pakistani territory.

Pakistan says there were no militants operating on its side.

A senior Afghan official told the Guardian that a combined Afghan-Nato squad had received incoming fire from "the so-called Pakistani post", prompting them to call for air support. "The most important point here is that they were receiving fire from the direction of that post."

The official, who did not want to be named, added: "The Pakistanis are blowing this thing totally out of proportion by responding the way they have, so severely and strongly. But we hope that they will at least come to Bonn and it will not affect the steps that we have started to take in terms of rebuilding our relationship with Pakistan."

Afghan and coalition officials have accused Pakistan repeatedly in the past of failing to act to stop Taliban militants using its territory.

Afghans living in Kunar said they were delighted by the airstrike against the bases, saying they believed Taliban fighters were being harboured by the Pakistani army.

"These terrorists wear civilian clothes and then when they have done their attacks in Afghanistan they go to the Pakistan checkpoints," said Qari Ehsanullah Ehsan, a tribal leader from the province. "Some of them wear fake beards and then put on Pakistani military clothes when they finish their operations. The people of Kunar are happy. We have been telling the Americans for a long time that the Pakistanis are bringing the Taliban to our villages."

The fall-out from the attack continued to reverberate around the region.

On Monday, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference also condemned the attack on the checkpost, while over the weekend Turkey promised to raise the issue at Nato headquarters in Brussels.

There were further protests on the streets of Pakistan on Monday, including a boycott of the courts by lawyers. The striking lawyers in Karachi and Lahore chanted "Go America, go".



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[-] 1 points by thrasmyaque (5) 12 years ago

probably those Pakistani solders, were supporting the Taliban-
and NATO killed what they wanted to kill. the Pakistani government i think will shorty have a military cue. none of what we read is news- its all to shape public opinion. training web page http://url2it.com/jtje thrasymaque

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

In any case it's a disaster for US. It can end up causing or providing a justification for dragging this war out, and the costs are already staggering, and likely to go higher. And who's going to pay? WE'RE going to pay.

[-] 1 points by occupywall (2) 12 years ago

your post was informative- thanks of course the 99% is going to pay for it- we have payed for all the wars since 1950- that's how the 1% have become so rich.
our government officials get a kickback every time we go to war. and the 99%'s children is who dies and worse while the 99% 's children, get to stay home and play golf. training web page http://url2it.com/jtje thrasymaque

[-] 1 points by stephenadler (118) 12 years ago

What happened to England's embassy in Tehran today is much more dangerous in my opinion...

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Matter of opinion, but it was OUR military that stepped in it big time in Pakistan.

[-] 1 points by stephenadler (118) 12 years ago

We need to get out of Afghanistan as soon as possible. This kind of accidental bombings is going to just continue until we do... Either that, or treat Pakistan as the real danger it is, another North Korea and make the world burden the cost for containing Pakistan, not just the US.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 12 years ago


[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Not so easy to get out of Afghanistan without Pakistan's assistance.

[-] 0 points by GoldmanSex (9) from New York City, NY 12 years ago

No drama, just 24 persons, not US citizens