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Forum Post: This looks to be another historic year in Arctic Sea Ice, not in a good way..

Posted 4 years ago on Feb. 19, 2016, 10:28 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ
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I have posted about this before, last year we had the lowest maximum ice coverage in the Arctic on record I think this year due to the historically large El Nino will be the biggest melt event we have ever seen, anyway I will use this post to update if anyone is interested.



Update: 2/22/16 I now believe we have hit a new record low maximum and record early maximum at day 40 in the year this is HUGE. CO2 has risen at a rate of 3.7+ ppm/yr over the past two weeks, recently it was only around 2 ppm/yr again HUGE, I think we may be seeing the affects of the melting of the permafrost.

Update: On 3/28 it was posted that the max Arctic ice for the year was hit on 3/24 and was a new low. I was wrong about the early date, we had an ice spread event similar to 2012, this is going to be a HUGE melt year.


UPDATE: 4/12 above site have stopped giving daily data here is another with similar data:




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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

The equipment is broken this is a disaster! http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Why? Not many minds in the U.S. will be changed by the data anyway. I am sending my prayer to God to fix this equipment right now. Amen! God works in mysterious ways.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

Your payer was answered (sort of), thank you. https://nsidc.org/data/masie/

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

"if you believed, you would see the glory of God?"

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

who you quotin' and made an edit above, hope it helps...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

John 11:39-40

"Take away the stone," he said. "But, Lord," said Martha, the sister of the dead man, "by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days."

Then Jesus said, "Did I not tell you that if you believed, you would see the glory of God?"


[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago
[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

People should check these sites both in ice melt and CO2 rise there is something very big happening right now, you will even hear about it on MSM within the year...

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Well . . . . . it's the end of the middle of February and it rained on and off all day yesterday (Friday - Minnesota)) all across the state. In a normal year it would be like twenty degrees outside and just coming out of a four week sub-zero run.

It's been so warm that many lakes are not safe for ice fishing and many winter carnivals and ice fishing contests have had to be cancelled.

We have had some cold weather but weird - a warm week in the mid 30s followed by one or two days at just above zero - followed by another week of mid 30s weather - this week we are in the mid 40s pushing 50. Last night it only dropped down to 37.

No One is gonna be able to deny global warming much longer.

Shit - we are having spring and summer storms across the south and east (across the nation) with tornadoes - AND IT'S THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

I believe the melting of the Arctic Ice will get the media's attention but will it be a one day story? I study the Ice every day and this is shaping up to be a big deal climate wise it happened in 2012 the last Presidential year it is almost as if the Earth was trying to catch our attention.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

The Florida panhandle has already received it's normal yearly quota of tornadoes and it's not even their season for em - more to come.

The earth has been trying to catch our attention for decades. The environment even had our attention for a short time in the early 60's. Then fossil fuel propaganda really started to fire up their bullshit machine.

Soon "No One" will be able to ignore the calls. Not even those lock-stepped GOP deniers.

[-] 2 points by Viking (417) 4 years ago

As you know climate change has been causing deleterious effects all over the World. In Alaska, whole villages will have to move to higher grounds as they sink due to the thawing of the permafrost, and rising sea levels.

This Community In Alaska Is Relocating Because of Climate Change


The irony is that Alaska has become super dependent on the income that it gets from the extraction and sales of fossil fuels. The government is struggling with the unprecedented budget shortfalls due to the falling oil prices, and the reduction in drilling..

The Jersey Shore isn't far behind in having to mitigate the effects of CC either. Already in one little nearby town, there are at least fifty homes which have been raised anywhere from four to ten feet higher, and put on either pylons or on foundations. The alternative for many people is either astronomically increasing insurance rates, or the chance of being flooded out as Sandy did to a lot of people, The other option is; If you have no mortgage, then you can take a chance and go without insurance, and hope for the best..

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

take a look at the CO2 link above, if you look at the "1 year" data it is broken down into weekly avg. over the past two weeks it is 3.7 ppm greater than a year ago, it was rising at about 2.1 ppm/yr during the 2000-2010 decade less before that but 3.7+ is a HUGE gain, i think we have reached a tipping point in the permafrost melting there are large holes appearing in the permafrost, this is a historic year, i am doing all i can, which is not much to raise awareness of this year, there has been a change in the rate of increase and it will be a big deal down the road...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Why are you so concerned about the climate? Are you a farmer?

Things down this road surely look rather bleak for much of humanity. I am taking my own precautions, damn the climate deniers. If I wait till they figure it out, there will be no time to adapt.

Many people complained of Hurricane Irene and Superstorm Sandy but I like the fact that Irene gave us dire early warning so Sandy was not as devastating in some ways. We can adapt for climate change if we push hard to guard against it.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

current situation seems set on its path, thinking it might be nice if folks were around to have another go..

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Folks' bodies are already well adapted to very hot climate - mostly hairless with a tuft of it on top for sunshade and in a few other places reducing friction. Additionally, there are the sweat glands nearly all over and the upright posture that catches frontal breeze that can provide evaporative cooling during forward locomotion. Once nudity becomes a necessity for cooling off due to the climate, folks will adapt well so some will be around.

There are also the myriad of technological adaptations possible.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

see my response to viking below, there is something big happening this year....

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

It's gonna go faster (global warming) than the scientists are currently predicting and that is after taking into account that they already revised their predictions to speed up projections as they realized they were being to conservative in their forecasts.

Look at that (what - 3 month?) mega methane leak in So Cal. Methane = so much worse of a green house gas. Has anyone even considered trying to calculate - not jus the mega So Cal leak - but all of the well heads in operation and abandoned that are gushing methane into the atmosphere all across the USA ?

Then they also gotta get a handle on the amount of methane that is exploding out of the thawed tundra.

We are in for a WORLD of Hurt and it is all gonna happen so much faster than ANYONE is talking about right now!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

the ice melt and CO2 rise this year is different, much faster than in the past i think, we will know more in a few months

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

The southern and eastern states are getting an education on out of season storms this year - AGAIN. F spring break bikini's gone wild - it's now tornadoes gone wild - pre spring break.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

clink on the CO2 link above the weekly was just updated, it is 3.33 ppm higher than last year that is almost twice as fast as 20 years ago, 50% faster than last year, something BIG has happened...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

It may just be heralding Antarctica Spring coming to irrigate Miami. Plant some mangrove trees soon to take advantage of this opportunity. Maybe vibrant shrimping is coming, too. Shrimp tastes good.

[-] -2 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

I still haven't met one person in the US with ocean side property who says the water is rising on their docks or piers.

That being said the water level is kind of rising over the years in Lake Ontario. But that being said, the water level "used" to go about 5 miles inland, up to Ridge Road (thats why its named that).

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 4 years ago

Have you talked to anyone from Miami lately? I would suggest that you take a little trip down there, then strike up some conversations with some of the patrons at those fancy country clubs in Dade county.Then again, maybe rising sea levels are not a big concern to many ocean side property owners because their portfolio takes priority, and they have another home in a gated community in the Rockies..

Miami Already Drowning Due to Sea Level Rise


[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

you are discussing climate change with "turbo the con" you know that right?

he LOVES the GOP...

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

I think we need to realize as well that cities like Miami and New Orleans were never meant to support humans to begin with. Its been our ability to innovate that has made them cities to begin with.

Perhaps this is just innovation (or perhaps the fact we want to spend all our money on foreign wars now) dying and not being able to keep up?

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

Miami is certainly having some flooding problems, that is for sure. Its more of a population/infrastructure issue than it is a rising tide issue. I've asked a few in Miami about the waterfront stuff, nothing new there.

I also know a ton of people in Daytona, which is only a few hours north. Again, nothing. The peers are the same as they have ever been, along with the docks.

And obviously here in Tampa, its still the same as it ever was. Quite a few waterfront establishments Ive worked on, some as far back as 10 years ago now. Being Im (fairly) politically active, I always check it out. Now its kind of a joke... "Nope, 10 years later no change in the sea level, we're safe, drink up everyone!" :)

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

I have not met one person who has noticed any genetic evolution within their families do you think that whole evolution thing was a hoax?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 4 years ago

That;s one of the worst analogies I've ever heard.

Ever one is now dumber for having heard that.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8256) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

may have been a little too on point for you....