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Forum Post: This is what we are fighting for in Wisconson!

Posted 2 years ago on June 3, 2012, 10:53 a.m. EST by foreeverLeft (-264)
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This kind of attack on public sector union employees is despicable! This story should be front page news in WI this weekend! This wonderful old man has been stripped of the majority of his pension!

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-vernon-pensions-20120601,0,5371733.story?track=lanowpicks

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Does anyone besides me find it informative that Walker has the backing of the libe(R)tarians?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/06/an_october_surprise_for_walkerin_june.html

Strange bedfellows, or not?

Peas in a pod. That's my take.

[-] 1 points by bankamerica (1) 2 years ago

You got a bunus coming for this one:-)

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Win or lose, I have to say that recalls have turned out to be quite a bit of fun. There's something about unscheduled political events that are exciting. Recall eveyone! And then do it again!

[-] 1 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

Wisconsin does not have the money to fund out 6 or 7 figure pensions. They just don't have enough money.

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

This is a rare example. Hyped by people who's agenda is the theft of Americans pensions and Social security.Where are your articles on CEO pension plans.Where are your articles on our politicians pension plans. Where are your articles on politicians who dismantel the public commons.Then go to work for the very corporations they helped enrich,and with very fat compensation.Just as your thread title is misleading so are you.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the thread title does not led in any direction

other than to suggest there is fighting

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

No it does suggest that a some one who is destitute is going to lose there income.When it is in fact someone who has gamed the system.It also is typical of right wing propaganda that all working people are lazy and do not deserve pensions ,etc.Buy holding up the exception for examination and not the norm.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

sure, if one is up on the current recall in Wisconsin.

if one is not, all the title indicates is their is fighting in Wisconsin

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

I think the tone is anti worker.And that is the essence of the argument.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Walker flouts his power to ignore the voice of the many with premisses for cut?

that's a little long ^

[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

Leaders derive there power by uniting.Rulers dividing

[-] 0 points by RealityTime (-224) 2 years ago

Your "public commons" is full of tone deaf unions that have come to control the government they purport to work for. They shamelessly demand tax increases from already under siege middle class people, so that they can go untouched. It's pervasive, it's wrong, and it's time for reform.

On Wisconsin! Go Walker. May his courage spread.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

This election isn't about unions. It's about Walker being an idiot. He can't even remember when he signs a recall petition. I'm sorry, did you say something?

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[-] 0 points by RealityTime (-224) 2 years ago

It's everything about unions. The unions led the recall effort as their tantrum over having an uppity boss that talked back. There wouldn't be a recall with their hissy-fit. Now, they'll lose. Even their own members are dropping the union in droves now that the government no longer acts as union muscle and makes them pay dues via payroll deduction.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

This election will be decided by non-union people. Who cares who initiated it. Change the subject all you want but people who sign recall petitions don't forget it. Saying "I don't remember" worked fine for Reagan but republicans need to try another line of BS. It's not cute and clever any more.

[-] -1 points by RealityTime (-224) 2 years ago

The recall was driven by the unions. For them to try to disown it now would be ridiculous. They wanted, they got it, and they're about to lose it. The only sad part is the cost to the taxpayer.

[-] 2 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

Walker is a liar. Case closed. He shouldn't have messed with Feingold.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

He's probably going to win.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

LOL. I know. Win or lose he's still an ass.

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

Middle class is under "siege" due to corporate GREED.Yo scabs America is a union and we will never tolerate your divisivenss for profit. Wisconson is only a peoples wake up call.Your days our numbered .

[-] -1 points by RealityTime (-224) 2 years ago

See, if so much money wasn't being diverted to retirement benefits, you might've learned how to write.

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

To busy working my whole life. Not behind a computer pushing a corporate agenda.So please do not get your panties all knoted up.

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[-] 0 points by infonomics (393) 2 years ago

Wisconson ? Now, if we could only do something about Wisconsin.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Pray for the people of Wisconsin to stand-up and do the right thing on Tuesday.

Kick corrupt officials to the curb. Show that outside money can not own our governments.

[-] 0 points by linker (-241) 2 years ago

what's despicable is the greed of the public union employees! Walker is going to wipe you guys out Tuesday - I will congratulate him in advance for saving the State of Wisconsin from the Tyranny of the masses!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

White collar criminals are not restricted to WallStreet. All of them should be charged and prosecuted as they are found. Greed is rampant and needs to be slapped down. The average American worker union and non-union are not the criminals - they are the victims.

[-] -2 points by linker (-241) 2 years ago

union employees are no different than mafia thugs. what kind of loser cant make it in the world without thuggish protection extorting the public. These aren't coal miners in the 19th century. It's pathetic. Public employees want to make me vomit.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are pathetic - and that is being kind. You support the greed corruption and crime of the white collar criminals and blame their victims.

[-] -3 points by linker (-241) 2 years ago

union employees are just as greedy. worse they offer little in the way of performance. they suck the life out of the public.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No I believe you are thinking of businesses that don't pay taxes and the wealthy who pay less then their fair share to their employees and to the government. Bleeding white Fossil Fuel subsidized making massive profits exporting to the world on a glut market and not lowering prices as any normal business would in relation to supply and demand. This is an example of the corruption and greed in this world.

[-] -2 points by linker (-241) 2 years ago

define fair share? pathetic.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (27542) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Pathetic | Define Pathetic at Dictionary.com dictionary.reference.com/browse/pathetic causing or evoking pity, sympathetic sadness, sorrow, etc.; pitiful; pitiable: a pathetic letter; a pathetic sight. 2. affecting or moving the feelings. - See linker.

fair share: See Buffet rule pertaining to a 30% minimum tax on the wealthy. Fair? It does approach the definition.

fair 1    [fair] Show IPA adjective, fair·er, fair·est, adverb, fair·er, fair·est, noun, verb adjective

1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge.

2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight.

3. moderately large; ample: a fair income.

4. neither excellent nor poor; moderately or tolerably good: fair health.

5. marked by favoring conditions; likely; promising: in a fair way to succeed.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by linker (-241) 2 years ago

buffet rule bring in 5billion a year - doesn't begin to fix a thing. you took the bait hook line & sinker. tell me how to fix the debt & deficit with the Buffet rule genius. It's a distraction because Obama has no debt reduction plan or way to close the deficit. double the long term cap gain tax - see what happens.

[-] -2 points by RealityTime (-224) 2 years ago

On Wisconsin! Government should work for all the people, not just its entrenched employees. Maybe one day someone in Illinois will be brave enough to say the same thing.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

what about private business ?

[-] 1 points by AlternativeSynergy (224) 2 years ago

I don't really think that government workers particularly need unions all that much too. Governments tend to by generous with their workers. But what about private industry? Do you support companies like Wall-mart who don't pay living wages and tell their workers to go to the government to get their health care and food stamps? Aren't "all the people" paying for that too?

[-] -1 points by RealityTime (-224) 2 years ago

Private industry is fine. Unions there negotiate across the table and if they force a company to do something stupid, the company blows up. There's discipline. But union members in government first set the negotiating table at the ballot box. They've been able to utterly corrupt the process and sell out the ordinary citizen. Get government to agree to something stupid? Raise taxes, rinse, repeat. No discipline.

Funny how liberals demand unions in government. They love government. Government is the model for the economy. Yet somehow, government is this exploitive employer where desperate workers need unions to save them. Hmm, kinda doesn't add up.