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Forum Post: This is very bad occupy FIX it

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 16, 2012, 2:08 p.m. EST by shini242 (8)
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Talk about bad pr you want more people to get behind your movement start by doing sometime about this!!! Somehow along the way you lost what this was about in the beginning rethink your reasons for this, because it seems to alot..... you ALL have lost your way

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087059/Single-father-Wise-Ahadzi-fights-reclaim-house-Occupy-Wall-Street-protestors.html?

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[-] 3 points by amanofnoimportance (82) from Orlando, FL 2 years ago

The tax records are here if you have any doubt: >>> bit.ly/wun4vZ <<<

Please fix this now! You cannot go on until this is rectified.

If you want this movement to succeed, this must be addressed. If not, the damage will be permanent. I think most of us can agree this does not represent the kind of world we want to live in.

[-] -2 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

what do you know about winter season ashole

[-] 1 points by amanofnoimportance (82) from Orlando, FL 2 years ago

Maybe you aren't the justice I was hoping for.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5665) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Just curious, shini, what research did you do besides read the original article? To me, there's so many questions about it, it reeks of being just another disinfo piece, definitely not the first or last. Bear in mind, you should always be skeptical about ANYTHING you read in the media, especially about something like this movement. I've e-mailed the 'Occupy Our Homes' website and am waiting for a response as we speak. When (if) I hear from them, I'll post their reply.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

People are morons.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

OWS needs to issue a public apology ASAP and rectify the situation.

I believe OWS needs to stop using civil disobedience to attack other people and businesses by taking the law into their own hands, and, instead, start building the new world right now: http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-and-how-ows-must-change-or-onto-anarcho-syndic/

[-] 0 points by sass1 (-2) 2 years ago

<a href="http://www.sasbook.com/sasnews/?p=811">The Truth</a> Strange how every “terrorist” event in the past ten or fifteen years benefited the various imperial governments of Britain, Israel, Australia and the USA. These false flag terror operations help cement power, by spreading terror throughout the victim nation. By spreading the effects of terror–pictures of damage and film interviews of mass hysteria and confusion–the mainstream media of the traumatized country served as an unquestioning, ultra-effective propaganda vehicle. The national media acts as a brilliant, second phase of the false flag operation, by further spreading the terror while muddying the waters to any conflicting evidence or subsequent investigation.

Let me list a few suspicious events that helped cement power in the four countries. There are dozens, and I;m sertain you can think of many more, but I’ve only listed six. Each event intended to (A) scapegoat a group or individual, while (B) removing power from the unsuspecting people, while (C ) giving more power to the government, while (D) directing hostility toward the intended group, or individual, while (E) muddying the facts of the story for future reference. If you control the events and control the story than you control the people, for your own purposes.

  1. The Oklahoma City Bombing. Meant to look like an act of terrorism but closer inspection reveals numerous suspicious indicators of a false flag operation. Multiple bombs reported that day. Multiple persons involved. Experts like USAF General Partin (Google), who saw the site, dismissed the notion that a home-made fertilizer bomb could have demolished a concrete reinforced building.

Fortunately, for those who created the false flag terror operation, the US media kept a lid on doubters after the critical first day—and has ever since—labeling them ‘Conspiracy theorists.’

OKC screamed false flag, then and now. The intended target? The US militia groups, millions of law-abiding patriots and Constitutionalists that had grown significantly after the Waco Massacre by the Clinton/ Reno crime cult. Predictably, a pre-programmed patsy, Timothy McVeigh, was tied to a militia group and blamed for the entire massacre.

  1. The 911 Attack. The most successful false flag attack in America, but assuredly not the last. Probably engineered by more than one country to BENEFIT MORE THAN ONE COUNTRY. Probably a testing ground for several, secretive types of demolition-weaponry within the tower core. Mission: terrorize and confuse Americans while directing the US population’s anger toward the Middle East.

Successful? You bet (thus far). To scapegoat an Islamic group, a group revealed and then reviled within hours and days. To target an ever-widening group to be attacked in the years to come. To contain or control all conflicting evidence. To contain or control all conflicting witnesses. To marginalize, or demonize, all skeptics and whistleblowers (Somewhat successful thus far, but growing less so until the internet can be marginalized). And to allow the corporate-owned, complicit US media free rein to keep a lid on doubts. After the critical first day, the US media has acted as a government bureau by spreading and cementing the official story.

911: A False Flag Exemplar.

The purpose of 911 was manifold. To spread fear. To distract the public about critical missing Pentagon trillions. To create a new power elite in as few hands as possible. To create a wider swath of powerful new “enemies,” shadowy groups able to attack us here in America. To then create a powerful pretense to attack them and gain possession of their resources; and to destroy as much of the US Constitution as possible and thus cement more power.

  1. The Bali Bombing. Meant to look like an Islamic attack. Purpose: to sow terror and cement hatred of Muslims by terror-striken Australians and get them on board the planned, upcoming, joint attack on Middle East countries. Also, as alleged by some observers, to test new weaponry, perhaps an innovative micro-nuke (see photograph) and to gauge their effects for use against future enemies–foreign or domestic–in future false flag events.

  2. The Port Arthur Massacre. Meantto look like the work of a lone gunman in a tiny village but vastly too successful. Far too much expertise for the patsy, far too many suspicious anomalies to list. Purpose: to sow terror among peaceful, law-abiding but individualistic Australian gun owners and thus force restrictive laws allowing nationwide gun confiscation.

And the Port Arthur Massacre worked perfectly. The clueless Aussie media, headed by future Fox mogul, Rupert Murdoch, served almost as a propaganda ministry for the brand new John Howard administration, and brushed all doubts and conflicting evidence away.

Where it remains hidden today, forever it seems. Reportedly, access to the Port Arthur case is forbidden to investigators for the next 30 years. No CSI for the Port Arthur coverup Aussies, meanwhile, remain virtually weaponless under “benevolent” Big Brother and John Howard.

  1. London Bombing 7-7. Meant to scapegoat Islamic people, of course. (Are we seeing a pattern here?). Served to terrorize Londoners and allow draconian, new power measures while bolstering lagging support of the war in Iraq. Perhaps even served as a punitive strike, to punish Londoners for their lack of war support.

  2. Lebanon-Israel Attack. The wily Israelis, to their credit and everlasting shame, borrowed a play from Hitler and the Nazis. Create a false flag incident at the border and retaliate in the confusion. The Nazis started a war with the weaker country of Poland in 1939. The Israelis attempted to do the same.

By accusing neighboring Lebanon of capturing two IDF soldiers, Israel claimed a pretext for war. They attacked and invaded Lebanon and the war went badly for the Israelis and Olmert. Thousands of deaths and dismemberments on both sides and the false flag backfired.

ALL TERROR EVENTS, most importantly, allow beleaguered, often inept leaders (Blair, Bush, Olmert, Howard) to go before the public and pretend to be strong, pretend to be “leaderly,” to the terrorized masses. Allegedly under attack, victimized by their own propagandized news organizations, the people seek the solace and protection of their fearless leader, and their government, and embrace them both readily. Helped along by continual doses of hysterical propaganda from the media.

IT IS ALL AN ACT, however, scripted from the very beginning, from the first explosion to the close up on the fearless leader by the TV news camera, focusing on the resolute expression with the flags or the national seal in the background.

Whatever weakness the bumbling leader displayed in the weeks, months or years beforehand, can be brushed aside with a few, well-prepared, scripted speeches. Weakness and incompetence can even be overturned, trumped even, by ordering restrictive (fascistic) new measures. See V for Vendetta, as an excellent film example of this fascistic, false leadership.

False flag events, most importantly of all, serve as a fake, hostile action by some sinister yet vague enemy, requiring some bold, new reaction by the protective government, naturally headed by the leader. Usually the actions–whether laws, restrictions, warnings or declarations (of war)–have already been pre-written. Another clue indicating an obvious false flag operation. One which screams, or should scream, a warning against approaching totalitarianism.

I am inclined to include the recent shooting at VA-Tech as a possible false flag operation. Same type of Manchurian Candidate, lone gunman as the one at Port Arthur. Same super skilled, remorseless gunman possessing killing power that baffles combat-trained specialists. VA Tech, like Port Arthur, appears to be a black operation for the exact same reasons. Oddly, both massacres occurred in late April, and lawmen either could not or would not intervene.

But sometimes what is intended to take freedoms away—Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms—can backfire if enough people see through it. If the US government hopes to use Cho as the poster boy for gun

restrictions, and believe me they do, they had better restrict the Internet first.

Oh, wait–They are trying to do that. Another false flag event being prepared as I write this. perhaps some nuke blast to terrify the citizenry, since each event must surpass the former in scope and scale. Vigilance, vigilance, forever the price of liberty.

[-] 1 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

Sorry before I posted I did my research there is no hidden agenda,"this time" but I will tell you this has already given fuel to the fire against the ows movement, and yes those lame tactics you posted above will be used here agreed......however this man and his story are VERY TRUE so DO something about it before it gets worse

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

useless info. dont do it

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[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Posts like this , that are so off the topic of the thread ,are why the majority of the so called 99% can't get behind this movement. Focus people, focus.

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[-] 0 points by Gimmeyours (-16) 2 years ago

Maybe they should just pay the mortgage. There's an obvious way to "occupy" your home: pay for it.

[-] 0 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

If it were only that simple for everyone

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[-] 0 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

I was all for occupy but this makes me just sad

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (21771) 2 years ago

Information

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[-] 0 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

see link that I posted

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (21771) 2 years ago

I already did. This is the second posting of it. :D

[-] 1 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

oops =p

[-] -1 points by smartcapitalist (143) 2 years ago

I just love that. I told ya, Occutards are a bunch of hypocrites

[-] -1 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

what does this have to do with the article? am I missing something?

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

i don't know such a honest people who give up everything for homeless people. remember, homeless people were homeless before and after zucotti park cleaning. if you bring them to avoid foreclosure what is gona happen? i though it will be more fun to watch cartoon :)

[-] 1 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

The thing is the ACTUAL owner did not allow anyone in, instead of OWS doing there research, they assumed this house was a typical foreclosure issue and just moved people in

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

1) foreclosure issue 2) if you place somebody to your room for living in winter time period, you CANNOT move them out before winter is over. Do you understand that? how old are you?

[-] 1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Every state has different laws concerning eviction. I don't think NYC housing and eviction laws state anything concerning removal in the winter to be illegal.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

you should check that, ny is north state. if you mention your eviction in court, yes, they will postpone your court for next time. it depend of the people in charge

[-] 1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I have checked it. Only state I found that adheres to that law is PA. Evictions are court matters ruled by the law in that state, has nothing to do with who is in charge. Postponing a court date is done with the lawyers and approved by the judge. Has nothing to do with what season it is.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

let me see it, please

[-] 1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doi/html/marshals/evictions.shtml

That should answer any questions regarding evictions in NYC.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago
[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

None of the links you posted state actual law, in fact the 1st link you sent states " weather does not factor into eviction". You may get a judge who decides not to evict in winter, but it's not law and not something I would play " hope the judge is nice game" with. Bottom line is OWS had no business breaking into this house and " occupying". I would think there would be a way to do this legally .

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

So. there is no problem here. problem solved. Get out of my house!!!

[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

You really make no sense at all. I suggest you do a little research and educate yourself on NYS and NYC laws before spouting such nonsense.

[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Stop what Timir? Stop fact? Stop the truth? Do you even have a clue how much is due on this house in order for the owner to get his home back? If he even can get back into it. He defaulted, the bank foreclosed, OWS swooped and in broke into the house. What is so confusing about that?

[-] -1 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

i assure you, if you have letter of eviction in winter time, and you appear on the court with recent payment you'll be forgiven. Stop it. please. stop confusing people. yes, you can do that, and blame me if i wrong, but i dont! just stop it, please " 'Why can't you fight for me?' Mr Ahadzi says he asked them, himself being a victim of the foreclosure crisis after losing his job in 2009 and struggling to keep up with his mortgage payments. But as they explained to him through his attorney, he doesn't 'quality' for their help." "Mr Ahadzi is currently renting out a two-bedroom in a nearby neighbourhood in Brooklyn while he works to pay off the mortgage of the two-story property he says he purchased in 2007 for $424,500 but has since struggled to make payments on. Just a couple years after its purchase, that home price dropped to $150,000 when the housing bubble burst. The house has since sat abandoned with community residents telling the protestors according to Gothamist that it's been three years since someone has lived inside" ------ well, what is better for him? bank be able to sell this house to private owner with-no-way-to-get-this-house-back, or maybe to fix his current situation by paying rest of his debt and prosecute this process legally in court? homeless = hopeless, they cant afforded this house, (they never will have this house) but they will accept negotiations.

[-] 1 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

what you wrote I agree with, but your statement has no meaning or point to what the situation is about, this was going on long before winter and I do agree this is something to be settled afterwards. However your oblivious to the events that led up to the story as well as some key factored points that ARE in the story your "idea" of what is going on is somewhere out in the far right ...the key point to what I wrote being OWS needs to do there research before pulling such an action its called creating good pr and not crap like this... as far as my age? I am old enough to watch cartoons but not post one that has absolutely no point on said event

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

i have to say: i disagree. in american cartoon more truth than in news :) yes, you can bring homeless to your home if you dont want to give up your property. but you have to be friends with your mind. to be ready for possible sacrifices. and must have a sense of humor of course :)

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[-] -1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Apparently OWS did not do thier homework when they broke into this house to claim it as thier own. According to every news report I have read, the supposed homeless family has not even moved in, because it lacks electricity and water. Yet several occupiers are living there. How sad for the man who actually owns this house, yet can not get the help he needs from OWS to actually get back into it because he isn't on board with OWS. I hope the bank helps him out in refinacing and that him and his family can get back into his home. Kind of ironic to claim to be helping the 99%, when in fact it only applies to members of Occupy. Not a good way to bolster support from the real 99%.

[-] -1 points by justhefacts (1275) 2 years ago

This is completely disgusting, stupid, immoral and if OWS is compromised of "good people", they should be doing all they can to fix the mess they've created for this poor guy and his kids!!!

America is watching OWS....what are you really made of?

[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I'm in full agreement with everything you say here. I've been watching, listening and openly voicing my opinions on this site for months.
I'm made of old fashioned values and hard work.. nothing ever good comes from actions like this. Frankly I dont think much of America is really watching OWS anymore, actions like this have turned people way off.

[-] -1 points by justhefacts (1275) 2 years ago

I'm starting to wonder if anything smart comes from actions like this either. LOL

[-] 0 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Ya know, it's interesting, we all know there are a million issues out there that need fixing. The difference is that some of us still believe in being accountable and responsible for ourselves. When I screw up, and I do and have.. there is no one to blame but myself. Not easy looking in the mirror sometimes, but often that is the best lesson learned. As for the marches and " occupying" I have said over and over.. go to DC, boycott the products and companies you don't like, and try a little something I call " Occupy good will" in our own towns. Small steps .

[-] -1 points by justhefacts (1275) 2 years ago

The hilarious thing is that "we the people" are being incredibly tolerant of them and their "destructive" movement, and we'll continue to be until they push it just too far and then "the people" are going to rise up, spank their spoiled behinds, and send them packing. And they'll literally be stunned when it happens. Amazing.

[-] 1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

It is becoming destructive, in so many ways. The amount of money being spent to clean up after actions, the police forces being used , taxpayers monies being thrown down the drain. Yet I have seen nothing productive come of any of it.

[-] -2 points by libtardsSuck (-69) 2 years ago

hahahaha this is too funny. These OWS loons are such a peaceful bunch

[-] 2 points by shini242 (8) 2 years ago

both sides have their morons that unfortunately effects the masses, someone needs to fix this damage FAST

[-] 1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I fully agree that this needs to be fixed asap. It surely isn't an easy fix, but this was something that could have been avoided.
When this action first took place in early Dec, I had questioned the validity of this, as well as the health hazards in the home such as the mold issue. " Occupying" homes that have been foreclosed upon and are currently vacant, doesn't mean they are without an owner. Whether the previous homeowner still has a stake in it, or the bank outright owns it, means proper channels need to be taken to claim it. This is nothing more than breaking in and squatting.

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