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Forum Post: This is the problem the world has.

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 22, 2011, 3:29 p.m. EST by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504)
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Word of the day: Selfish self·ish/ˈselfiSH/ Adjective: (of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

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[-] 2 points by ahatkills (54) 2 years ago

Selfishness can go both ways. Most visible is the selfishness of some wealthy people. But what most people don't realize is that poor and middle class people can be selfish when they want to live in a Marxist system so they could live off of other people's money.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20881) 2 years ago

Yes. A lack of empathy for the "other" is at the root of a lot of the problems the world, and America, faces.

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 2 years ago

Psychopathy or more specifically people that biologically lack empathy and sociopaths that mimic such behavior are of greatest concern. Especially when these people can covertly infiltrate leadership roles and re-direct policies for their own psychopathic agendas... (like intentionally promoting poverty, war, and depopulation)

[-] 0 points by MASTERdBATER2 (56) 2 years ago

Phrase of the day Personal Accountability

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[-] 0 points by Spankysmojo (849) 2 years ago

Only a part of the world. The rest are with you.

[-] 0 points by earnyours (124) 2 years ago

"Selfish": What an OWSer calls someone that won't give them what they want.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

All I want is for humans to stop killing people because they take to much and give to little. I have all I need. Its the people on earth that don't that makes me sad. That makes me stand up and fight. I care for human life. What about you?

[-] 0 points by tedscrat (-96) 2 years ago

You appear to be a very good-natured person. I do not understand, though, if you feel guilt for what you have compared to other people. I really do not. People are competitve by nature. We need to focus on this country. Take care of the needs of this country, within the context of smaller, effective government and better use of tax dollars. That will be complicated enough. We can offer aid to other nations in the form of seed, farm equipment, etc to make them self sufficient. But I am afraid that this nation (much less any other nation) lacks what you are looking for - pure altruistic tendencies. embrace our competitive nature to make better products, be better human beings, and be an example for others. Another thought - take, for example, 2 companies. they both make farm equipment. They are competing with one another to make a better harvester. The goal is not to feed the world. They want to make a profit. But in the process of making that profit, they are using their minds and ingenuity to make a product that Americans and other nations can use to feed themselves, and therefore make themselves better.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

I do not feel guilt... I feel like they do not know and society has left them blinded by to the truth.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Well I do not believe Competition is human nature. I believe we are taught competition. What kind of competition did Jesus have? (not saying I believe just asking) What kind of competition is in your body? Lets say your brain said it was the most important organ in the body then you liver said no I am and they wanted to go a free enterprise.. you would rot away in a month if every organ went out on itself.

[-] 0 points by tedscrat (-96) 2 years ago

If we want to talk about nature. Look at breeding. Animals are always competing for the mate. If you believe in evolution, this is survival of the fittest. Jesus was perfect. No one else was or is. This is the world we have. These are the cards we have been dealt.
I believe that we can do great things.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

But we should try to be like jesus. I believe we can get pretty close if we all give it a good damn effort.

[-] 0 points by tedscrat (-96) 2 years ago

Yes. No question about that. Where I am troubled by is the methods. I would rather work in an environment of fair compettion to come up with the greatest products to help the most people. If the government wishes to make a large contribution to, say, haiti, then fair contracts get the supplies from private sources would be ideal (no waste or fraud, plus the income incentive for the company). People are kind at heart, sometimes. Private charity is a good thing. I do not like the idea of any type of restriction on what a person can earn or make. It seems that that would negate the free will portion of America, and Christianity. We should not be like Jesus at the point of a gun or a mandate, but by free will.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Well I believe all the information should be put out in front of us.. So if there is experiment on something let everyone know and put there brain to work. Those Ideas will fire off other ideas and so on and so forth. Through that we will find the most intelligent answers to questions.The internet would be a great place to put it. Do not hide anything from anyone and that will intern give the answers to everyone's questions and they can make new questions we would then flourish. Make it so the entire world is able to input there ideals into play only then will we truly see how powerful we are together. Currency will not work as a longevity. It must be a resource based economy. Everything would be available to everyone. No one would keep anything they would just return it when they are done. All the main work would be done by machines and humans would work for the sake of the human survival. Once that is established we would then occupy space. Spreading the seed of human life to every planet that can sustain life. Since we as of right now are the only thing around these parts I can assume the rest of the universe is ours for the taking. I will not allow another human to rob me of my dignity. At gun point or not I will not lower my standers to a person making a horrible decision.

[-] 0 points by tedscrat (-96) 2 years ago

I like where you aim. To accomplish these goals we will need to work as one. I hope we can do that.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

me to brother.....

[-] 0 points by earnyours (124) 2 years ago

I was just crying about that earlier today. Well, today and then that time last week and that time at dinner and at that time...

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Well no need to cry just help out if you can.

[-] 0 points by tedscrat (-96) 2 years ago

A little selfishness is not bad. It goes by the name of ambition

[-] 2 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

I believe we should only consume what we need.

[-] 1 points by RobPenn (116) 2 years ago

Define need.

Does everyone really need a hobby, as the old adage says? Does a developing mind need exposure to good stories outside of school? What medium are those stories necessarily needed in? Do kids need toys? Can man live on bread alone?

How much has the private sector adopted and necessitated technology? How well can you keep up in school, middle school through college and beyond, without connection to the internet at home, much less a computer? What happens when you get a call-back from a potential employer while you're not at home, and you have no cell phone?

It's not wrong to say "only take what you need." It's just impractical. Need is harder to define than most people think it is.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

I agree. basic needs. Food shelter communication education clothing transportation. I don't know exactly what everyone needs but I can get close. The problem is I know we have more then enough. I have a Jacque Fresco approach to the situation. When people on earth stop dying from situations man can control that is when the needs will be met.

[-] 1 points by RobPenn (116) 2 years ago

So, needs are defined by what keeps a person alive?

What about a minimum quality of life?

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Well we have to think on a larger scale. we would have to collectively work together to establish a resource based economy. Once we have every person food sheltered and clothed we can work on other things. It just is not fair to the rest of the world for us to have all these materialistic and people cant even get food and water. It is not our fault we are this way.. We were trained to be selfish. We have to acknowledged that we a way to maintain the planets vegetation and water. The resources used alone in unnecessary materialistic things could shelter the entire world twice. =) all this of course is my opinion you may think differently

[-] 1 points by RobPenn (116) 2 years ago

I do think differently. Now, I do agree that we have a lot more than we often need, but I do still define need differently.

I think that people need things that sustain them emotionally and cognitively, as well as physically. What's the point of keeping a person alive if all they experience in the world is not being dead?

You can physically sustain a person and still end up with a deprived human being.

I'm not saying that everything I talked about above is something that should be just freely given to people. I am saying that need is something we have to define as more than food and shelter.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Well sure I get what you mean. We need physical activity and things that help us grow stronger to have a health body. However emotions shouldn't be effected by people or things. People get disappointed I understand that... But what defines us is how we act on that disappointment.

[-] 1 points by RobPenn (116) 2 years ago

Emotions should absolutely be affected by people or things. There's a word for people who truly feel absolutely no emotional impact from other people - sociopath. Being emotionally impacted by people is the biological basis for understanding body language and interacting with societies.

As for things, we attach emotional value to things not because of the thing itself, but because of the situation that surrounds it. I have little emotional value for the couch I'm sitting on. I don't like it enough to be sad at the thought of losing it, but I don't dislike it enough to want to buy a new one. I have a lot of emotional value attached to my laptop. It means that I can connect with the professors of my school, do research, write papers, and learn about things that just aren't well communicated outside of the internet (like OWS). If some one took my laptop, I'd be one pissed off person.

But really, what I'm getting at isn't that so much as it is the cognitive development and the employability of a person. For instance, a child who doesn't have enough stories will feel the effects of that deprivation later in their cognitive life. A musician who doesn't have a cell phone is simply a lot less likely to land a gig because he's too hard to get in contact with. A student who doesn't have internet or a computer at home can definitely get through her education, but is at a severe disadvantage. It's too much to ask to make some commutes on a bicycle.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Well anger is not a emotion. Or it is a second hand emotion. Anger is derived from feeling disappointment. You are telling me you would lose control because someone took a laptop from you? I am disappointed in the world for the way people treat it so therefore I am trying to change it for the sake of humanity. If we fix the world people will stop with the the stealing and so on.

[-] 1 points by RobPenn (116) 2 years ago

Lose control? Where did I say that? We must have a different idea of what "pissed off" means. If some one stole my laptop, to say that I would be quite put out is understating it a lot.

I'm interested to know where you came by the idea that anger is a second hand emotion. I could totally see that connection, but I think the last study I was exposed to listed Anger as one of the basic emotions that we feel and recognize in others.

As for fixing the world, what do you mean? And how would you suggest we fix the world? See, I don't think that people will stop stealing and so on if the world is fixed. If every one has what they need, there will still be people who are going to take what isn't theirs. Wanting isn't always connected with needing; how often do you want what you don't need or don't want what you do need. I'd like a PS3, but I don't need it. I don't want to go running in the mornings, but I need it.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

No anger is a second hand emotion... You always feel something before you get angry... I used to feel that way... One day I woke up after a drunken night and just laid in bed and thought about everything... Why did I do the things I did... what do I waste.. How do I harm my body? so on and so forth.. I suddenly realized we waste a lot of time.. So I started to train myself to never procrastinate and put what is needed first and eliminate wants. I slowly started to refine myself... Les wasting and more doing what I need. Instead of me saying I will run later I run immediately I really don't want anything more then I need because I know the repercussions echo across the earth. I also realized that gangsters always for the most part have the same story they grow up in poverty stricken area and are poorly educated usually around drugs and other things. People use drugs to escape there miserable lives in my opinion. They end up needing to provide for there familly... So they steal from people and sell drugs... They tend to tell everyone to fuck off because we basically stick them in a poverty area and say fuck em. Just like 3rd world country's... No one gives a shit about them so why would they give a shit about anyone else... So I believe we can eliminate that by simply providing for everyone with food and love... Once people have everything they need it will be a slow transition into people stop stealing... The adults will be harder to cir cum to the transition then kids... We have to teach by example ... When i was growing up my family always told me what to do but didn't always follow it... This left a very curious feeling... why would they say do not do it but then do it? Why is it adult time... I came to the simple conclusion that people need to cope with this world because they do not have the education to handle life on life's terms.. lead by example not words.To answer the ps3 thing you already know the answer... People who do not respect there own body could possibly never respect anyone else. People only steal out of need.. this world creates evil and it warps the minds of everyone... IF I told you blue was red you would call me crazyyy... But if you were born and raised knowing blue was red and red was blue.. the second I told you red was red you would say I was crazy..

[-] 0 points by earnyours (124) 2 years ago

Cool, then live like that. But then leave the rest of us out of it.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

I didn't involve you. You involved yourself. Please stop being so selfish.

[-] 0 points by earnyours (124) 2 years ago

That's the nature of boards. Consume what you need, sure, great.