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Forum Post: This is now a movement of the left

Posted 12 years ago on Sept. 30, 2011, 2:20 p.m. EST by oclisa (74)
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I have been watching since before the beginning. It didn't start out this way but it has fast become a movement of the left with, I'm sorry guys to label it but it is what it is, socialist rhetoric and fuzzy thinking. I thought this was supposed to be - to put it in simple terms - about the corrupted relationship between Wall St and D.C., i.e. the privatization of Wall Street's profit but the socialization of its losses... and a movement without any other political agenda.

You are rapidly losing my support which was there when OWS was still just an idea. I don't think I only speak for myself - I believe there are a lot of us out there who aren't looking for a welfare state, or government intervention to "make things right" but rather looking to break the welfare state that exists for Wall Street only paid for by the citizens of this country.

Please don't try to argue with me - I have thought all of this through for quite a while and I am sure for many more years than most of you. I realize many of you are young and with that comes idealism. That works to a point but, in this case, I think OWS has lost its way. My only point to this post is that your are losing me and I suspect many others.



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[-] 2 points by JenEvolve (5) 12 years ago

I really do hope that someone takes the time to address this. I support OWS fully, but I do see what you are saying. If we truly want to get the masses on our side, we need to stick to a really simple message--something like End Corruption and Corporate Influence in our Government. I think that both sides would be able to come together for that.

I support most of their other ideas, but all they are doing right now is blurring the main message and dividing people.

PLEASE, just keep the focus on ending corruption.

[-] 1 points by KingOfAutumn (1) 12 years ago

Take a bus to New York for a day or two and join the conversation!! You'll find socialists and anarchists, yes, but also Democrats, libertarians, Greens, and a growing number of centrists--everything, really, but the far right. Your view is definitely shared by some vocal people in Liberty Plaza. I'm what could probably be classified as an ultra-liberal in some regards, but I do believe this is a movement for the 99% and I'm happy to dialogue with Ron Paul supporters and even welcome the conservatives who will doubtless trickle in as the movement expands. It's about getting every passionate and upset person in one place, hearing as many ideas as possible, and trying to reach a consensus based on that conversation.

[-] 1 points by quietlike (194) 12 years ago

I agree with you, and Ive been saying arent we supposed to debate with each other? There should be NO left/right alignment. Only people with different views and thought out discussions. Its though these discussions where people like us (libertarian Im guessing) can provide our thoughts and share our ideas with those who may have a different view about what we think. Getting them to understand our angle. To start, I'd like the "leftists" (sorry I hate labels too), to watch this video and debate it. Really the ones who say we should get rid of capitalism, because all economic systems are capitalism, the difference is who controls the capital and to what extent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKoPeS2HPQc PLEASE DEBATE if you disagree. Dont just call me names, I want thought out responses, PLEASE.
i am looking to join another cities' solidarity front, and this is what I will be debating with others. Thoughts anyone?

[-] 1 points by RedneckBob (3) from Austin, TX 12 years ago

This isn't about the left or the right and everyone should work hard to keep the movement from being hijacked. Just look at what happend to the original Tea Party groups, the Koch funded Tea Party Patriots and Tea Party Express took them over.

Stay and fight, don't leave.

[-] 1 points by entrepreneur99 (114) from Los Angeles, CA 12 years ago

I see your point Lisa. I'm still hanging in there. I will be going to OccupyLA Saturday to gauge the mood.

Remember though that as a headless movement you are empowered to influence the direction just like anybody else.