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Forum Post: This is a test: R ≠ D ??? or R = D ???

Posted 1 year ago on May 20, 2013, 6:30 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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One of the worst tornadoes in history hits Oklahoma
Should NY & NJ Democrats in congress vote against aid if the Rs beg for it ?

Oklahoma Lawmakers Vote Against Sandy Relief

The bill to provide nearly $9.7 billion in Sandy relief passes Congress. That’s despite Oklahoma’s two freshman congressmen,
Republican Jim Bridenstine and Republican Markwayne Mullin voted against Sandy relief.

The bill passed by a vote of 354 – 67. The measure authorizes the
National Flood Insurance Program to borrow the funds
to meet the needs filed by victims of superstorm Sandy.

Will the NY & NJ Ds stoop to the same level of not helping Americans ?
This is a test

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/34-to-1/

That's the ratio of their equality

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

lets hope that the budget cuts will come out of Oklahoma defence contracts

Actually, this gives Harry Reid an interesting opportunity-
submit a bill to the Senate WITHOUT any offsets and let the
dunamic duo vote against it

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The Koch brothers are drooling. Georgia Pacific is going up. Way up.

When they rebuild the school, will they rebuild that state of the art stadium and skip the storm shelter again?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Now you are starting to see how this system actually functions.

Thank you for pointing that out.

Games, games, games.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago
  • 90% x R = evil
  • 40% x D = evil
  • 0% x Independent = evil
[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

so independent david duke is not evil?

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

hmmm... ok how bout 0% x Independent - david duke = evil

; )

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

generalizations ABOUT PEOPLE are rarely accurate
and usually useless
as are labels

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

generalizations are rarely accurate and usually useless

true... but it made me feel better saying it ; )

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

fair enough!

[-] 0 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

No, generalizations are essentially labels. Without them, we could not understand the world because we need to divide things into categories. Without generalizations we would essentially have no knowledge at all.

[-] 1 points by Exhausted (-20) 1 year ago

This is the wrong question. Who controls the conversation controls the outcome. What is Occupy or any of the so-called activists/revolutionaries doing to control the conversation? The answer I see is nothing. More noise just like Washington and the media. I just moved to Vegas to aid family, and the continued recession is all to clear here. Obama may be just the lesser of evils to some of you but he seems to me to be the only one that actually gives a shit. Figure out a direction or shut up and go home. The direction I suggest at this point is to support Obama full force before he gets replaced by the next redneck with a suit and tie. The tragedy I see in the form of homelessness, cynicism between people, and my own continued struggle makes me cry, and none of you are doing anything to change that. Last year was bad enough, but now the mother of my son needs a (not going to specify on this form) transplant. Be part of the solution or stop cluttering the web with your noise. Please, feel free to downvote this comment, ban me, or whatever other childish shit you choose. I expect nothing less.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

our NYC OWS working group does not believe in "controlling"
we believe in building


We can do what 80% of Americans say they want
We can do what 1,900,000 Americans signed
We can do what 363 local & state resolutions call for
We can do what 1,309 American mayors endorsed
Via one of 13 constitutional amendments already proposed in congress And supported by over 100 congressmen


Virtually every OWS goal –
jobs, taxes, government honesty, energy, environment, economy
all go back to EXACTLY one place
MONEY IN POLITICS

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and the text of all amendments [ except the new HR29 ],
and our comparison of all of the amendments,
and the Citizens United case transcript,
and the Citizens United decision,
and the Buckley decision,
and analysis of corporate personhood,
and analysis of Article III,
and the ABC News poll on CU / CP,
and the PFAW poll on CU / CP,
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[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

R+D= Time to Go

R+D= Corporatists

R+D= War/Wall St/Wankers

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

R/D=medium for infiltration. Principles not parties are our future.

[-] 0 points by elation (-32) from New York, NY 1 year ago

x = (R + D)

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

X = (R+D) / L

Or more accurately.

X = (R/L) + (D/L)

R & D are not necessarily equal, yet both are divisible by L.

[-] -3 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

Both are evil parties that do more harm to American than good. Both need to go. The whole system does.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You skipped over the L.

Why would you do that?

It doesn't fit in with your lie of the week.

http://www.occupy.com/article/how-big-oil-and-gop-subverted-american-democracy

I guess one doesn't learn anything new, when one is in constant hiding.

[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

All political parties are equal in how bad they are already.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

labels are so much easier than thinking
it is the basis of most religions
it is the basis of most dictatorial regiemes

DO NOT THINK - BELIEVE

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

I the only label I deserve is my name and I'm not so sure that I do my name much justice.

Thinking before acting would solve many problems. Belief is what causes relgious war. Thinking prevents idiocy.

THINK......

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

R+D on Iraq War Vote

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/senaterollcall_iraq101002.htm

R+D is creating chaos in Syria

http://rt.com/usa/senate-arm-syrian-rebels-609/

Like we werent arming all these conflicts on both sides to begin with

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

R+D=Monsanto Minions

http://www.fooddemocracynow.org/blog/2013/mar/21/senate_caves_monsanto_wins/

Sure they have differences, but the similarties are just too appauling to defend either.

They both want to ruin your kid's food supply.

[-] -1 points by FlaviaA (-4) 1 year ago

They should only vote for aid if they take the amount from another department. If it is important, then pay for it. But is has to come from somewhere.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

It should come from reverting to the Eisenhower tax rates

[-] -1 points by FlaviaA (-4) 1 year ago

Will spending revert to those tax rates as well?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

military spending should

[-] -1 points by FlaviaA (-4) 1 year ago

So you argument is one sided and that is why you are losing.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

my position is one sided
the OWS side
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Unless you are Bernake.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

R+D=Corporate Takeover while the people argue with each other.

[-] -1 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

What a mean thread. They’ve just started looking for children buried in the rubble of an elementary school, and you want to use this tragedy to make a political point? Disgusting.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Will you be writing a nasty letter to this guy now?

This is just a forum.

This guy affects policy.............!!!

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/05/21/2039981/oklahoma-senator-wont-support-tornado-relief-without-budget-cuts/

[-] 1 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

I very well might write this guy. But what I won't do is turn this into a circus to make political points. You shouldn't either. Surely your not that unfeeling?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Just pointing out how completely unfeeling this so called representative truly is.

How completely asinine austerity budgets really are.

Want to talk about the lack of a storm shelter in a school in the middle of tornado alley?

They had such a nice football stadium though.

If that's not asinine, I don't know what is.

[-] 1 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

You’re correct about the storm shelters. I grew up and live in tornado alley. I watched a tornado hit my home town when I was a boy, killing 103 people. I watched the 97 Jerrell, TX tornado in my rear view mirror as it ripped through town killing 27 people. I’ve seen a total of six tornados in my life, but only two killed people. I’m afraid of the damn things. But I digress.

It’s odd that very few people have storm shelters, even in tornado alley. Used to be that most schools had storm shelters, but they’ve stopped building them.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

"Used to be that most schools had storm shelters, but they’ve stopped building them."

'Nuf said.

How many have fancy stadiums?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Actually, most schools in Oklahoma and Texas do not have storm shelters. They haven't had those for well over 50 years if they had them at all. Those might be found with an one room school house with a total of 30 kids. This probably has more to do with an increasing population and how fast one can move kids to the center of the building area in the halls. You need to get as far away from the windows as possible.

I just watched a weatherman have a knipshit on tv about how much of a warning that was given. The reality is that you usually don't have that kind of time and for all the BS that I'm listening to, they are unpredictable. From the moment that those sirens go off those kids head that way.

That said. This is Oklahoma and you betcha sports comes first. I just don't think that one can really say that it was a priority over safety in this instance.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

In these days of global warming, it might be time to make that a priority.

Some tall, well grounded lighting rods would be a nice added touch.

The weather's not going to get any tamer, any time soon.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It would be the smart thing to do. What they should do is make the gymnasium do double duty like many schools do.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Teachers turned out to be heros again, I suppose the offset will be to cut their pay.

The real need is to design and build homes and buildings that can withstand those storms.

It's doable, but it's not cheap. At least not the way we do things.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ya, kind of like California. I believe there are hospitals that have still not been completely updated and we are way past the date. Considering the amount of destruction perhaps they will take this into consideration.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The only two choices are to learn and adapt, or get used to it.

The part I hate, is how much of these tragedies are assured by greed.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Well, in this area specifically, most people spend so many hours in the bathroom camped out because it's the debris that will nail you. It's why there is no public safe place. There is not enough time for people to travel.
If Moore had the cash, this would be a great plan.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Many things could be done, it just takes the will to do it.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

And some cash.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Sports are the bread and circus of our time, only this time the bread isnt even free.

Barclays Center in Brooklyn is a disgusting monument to one of the most corrupted institutions on the planet. Toss in Citi Field and Yankee Stadium, and we have almost 4 billion in new structures....structures that replaced ones that were more enjoyable and functioning fine.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Kinda like that

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Exactly like that.

[-] 1 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

I swear Shooz, you are the most cynical person I’ve met. You’re blaming the victims. People can’t plan for every natural disaster, whether it be tornados, earthquakes, hurricanes or blizzards. Truth is, even in tornado alley, the odds of being hit by a tornado is extremely slim. Do you blame the victims of an earthquake? Do you blame the victims of Sandy? Put your negative attitude aside for a while and understand that people died and the survivors life has been torn destroyed.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I didn't blame any anybody. I asked a question. A question that assigns priorities, but it wasn't cynical.

If you live there and you didn't ask why they quit building shelters in tornado alley, that's your problem, not mine.

You should have.

Here's the ultimate cynic for you.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/video-pat-robertson-blames-tornado-victims-not-praying

The rest of your response is more cynical and negative, than my question.

[-] 0 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

Now you’re lying and trying to wiggle out of what you said. Your intent clearly was to suggest the people of Moore, OK valued a football stadium more than a storm shelter. You mentioned the stadium twice if you recall. You are shameless and dishonest.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Oh please. What lie?

You drew the conclusion, not me.

Was this tragic? Very.

They have my prayers

But as you have seen, it's tragic on more levels than you like to admit.

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

You need to ask yourself........How many more schools in the alley lack adequate shelter? And more importantly.....................Why?

[-] 0 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

OK Shooz, have it your way. Blame the victim. I guess they needed a new football stadium. Happy now? sigh.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's not my way.

It's yours.

[-] 1 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

Whatever. Good night. I need my beauty sleep.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I would have suspect climate change

but I'll admit I don't know if climate change was the cause

or these disasters have always happened in hurricane ally

[-] -1 points by Timex (-3) 1 year ago

Shooz hates football. Go figure.

For what its worth, i just heard on CNN that all the newer schools in the area do have shelters. This school was built back in the 60's, so it only had cinderblock walls.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You try being a Lions fan. Sucka!

[-] -3 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 1 year ago

shooz is a well known troll here. Don't bother with him too much. He's just here to defend Obama.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Oh, look Chris needs cash and is over on another site to beg for it.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Isn't it amazing that some people ( they seem to be the ones that complain the most about it ), find a way to politicize almost everything?

But while we're on the subject, isn't it strange that not ONE of them complained about the FACT that this Senator hung the (R)epelican't austerity agenda on it the very next day?

They didn't even notice.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

They are currently paid not to notice.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They're over paid.

I could read and watch the MSM for free and see all of this and more ignored.

They are consistent though..

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yes, yes they are. I am having problems reading the forum.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They do like to break issues threads up, don't they?

The only thing they do better, is avoid answering the simplest of questions, in a forthright manner.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

That and/or insert an opinion and pretend that they don't really care about the issue.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Which one of those logical fallacies you hate so much was that one?

There's at least 2 or 3 there.

Can you name them?

Kudos on logical fallacy density though.

[-] -1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 1 year ago

No rush. Glenn Beck's already brought a couple of trailer tractors full of supplies. More coming. And Home Depot's helping with displaced pets and animals. Let the politicians talk all they want.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Free PR, eh?

[-] -1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 1 year ago

Don't think it's free. If you want to donate any $$$, I'll be happy to match you.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/glenn-beck-occupy-wall-street-kill-everybody_n_1004016.html

Beck does NOTHING without an ulterior motive.

If (R)epelican'ts haven't already stolen my ability to do that. I would, but they did.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

reminding people about the truth about our country's enemies

[-] 0 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

At best, poor timing. Surely you're not that unfeeling towards the families who lost nine children in this storm. This was not a political event.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Our enemies are climate change deniers & pols who block money going to needy Americans - like Sandy victims OR Moore victims
OR those who insist that the 1% dont have to pay their fair share

[ fair share = tax rates before president trickle-down's tax cuts for the rich ]

[-] 1 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

Damit, You just insist on turning this natural disaster into a political circus. Not everything is about the Repubs and Dems. This wasn’t a political event.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

but the funding for the repair, just like Sandy - IS A POLITICAL EVENT

[-] 0 points by Tanakasan (-7) 1 year ago

Fair is everybody paying the same rate.

Your fair is those you have earned have to pay a higher rate than those who haven't.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

my "fair" is going back to the rates under Pres. Eisenhower
please check - I think he was an R

of course, the 1% have been fighting for your idea for decades

[-] -1 points by Tanakasan (-7) 1 year ago

But your ideas don't work. Good job getting the economy going. You can blame the 1% all you want, but it doesn't impact jobs.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

I blame everyone including me the 1% stole our country, its government and its wealth
the 99% let them get away with is

[-] -2 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago

since there is no man made climate change whats the problem?, as for sandy and moore,.............private doners do a great job,......better than waiting for the all talk no action govt.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

so you advocate that no federal money go to Oklahoma?
from the latest numbers, they need $2,000,000,000.00

[-] 0 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago

I didnt say that. people in nj still dont have clean drinking water,.still waiting for it. people in ny still have no homes,still waiting for fema.

[-] 0 points by elation (-32) from New York, NY 1 year ago

why don't you boohoo for people killed in drone attacks before you attack people for their lack of sentimental vigor. Who gives a shit about sandy hook 10x innocent have been killed in drone attacks. And they weren't done because a mental patient grabbed a gun from his parents. Which is pretty hard to safeguard against unless you want every family with a mentally unstable person to lock them in a room.

tl;dr you're a cunt for even bringing that up, and twice so for using that as an argument against desiring government accountability.. gtfo. You should be on maher with moore.. you'd fit right in. People who question government just hate america. That's what he said.. must be true.. go get your extra large chese burger and go big for america.

there's 300 million people in the US and several of sandy hooks die every fucking day for no good reason at all because of crushing debt and all kind of nonsense done by this current administration.. so why don't you get out of mainstream media and get a clue?

if it wasn't hyped the fuck up by virtually everybody it would be the lesser statistic in the bottomline. But unless someone blows it up in your face i bet you hardly even notice.

Where's your bleeding heart for those who died today.. too busy polishing your "pretendicare" award?

[-] 1 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

Very poor taste to start the political spin on this when they're still looking for bodies. You're a real hard ass if you don't care about 24 people killed (nine children) in this tornado.

Go blow your Dems ,vs Repubs smote somewhere else. This was a disaster. Don't you think some dignity is in order?.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

vulgarity - an early sign of dementia
please see your doctor for some tests
or have your doctor surgically reduce your testosterone