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Forum Post: Think Different - get cops on our side

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 4:13 p.m. EST by ThisIsNotReal (0)
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When these protests first began, we tried our best to get cops on our side, they are part of the 99%. They are also slaves to the system. We must help them!

Can we rally together to find great speakers and teachers to go to these police stations and hold informational sessions on WHY we are doing this and what we need from THEM. We need their support. Once we have that, we can end this violence. We need to feel compassion. They are slaves, they know no better.

Let's be proactive, let's be compassionate to those that cannot help themselves. We need to try something new. This violence has to end. We have to unite all of the 99%



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[-] 1 points by derek (302) 12 years ago

Also, a firm commitment to non-violence would help in gaining the support of the police, too:

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/change/science_nonviolence.html "Studies of social movements in the United States also show that the necessary social disruption has to be created through the principled use of strategic nonviolence. Any form of violence, whether property damage or physical battles with opponents and police, will turn off the great majority of Americans and bring down overwhelming police and military repression. ... [Given] the freedoms, civil liberties, and voting rights achieved by a long line of American egalitarians and liberals, there is no end that could be justified by violence, property destruction, or armed struggle in this country. Such actions undercut the democratic rights won by past egalitarians and play into the hands of the government, which has the power to isolate and defeat any violent movement. Furthermore, property damage and armed struggle of any kind are overwhelmingly rejected by the vast majority of the American people. Due to their appreciation of the freedoms they do enjoy, and despite the economic unfairness they recognize and experience, average Americans are repelled by violent political acts, whether by right wingers or left wingers. If the goal is to build a larger movement that connects to a strategy to take over and transform the Democratic Party, not just to force the authorities to react to one or another provocation with slight reforms, then violence makes no sense. It is therefore both immoral and counterproductive for American egalitarians to employ violent strategies. Or, as Cesar Chavez used to say about violence when he was leading the farm worker's movement, it's wrong and it's stupid."

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/10/robert-steele-ows-non-violence-versus-violence/ "Occupy Wall Street is at a delicate point both in the USA and overseas. Despite its clear commitment to non-violence, police violence in the USA–and provocateur violence in Europe–are eroding the moral legitimacy of the Occupy Wall Street. 1) Occupy Wall Street needs to maintain discipline, and both domestically and overseas, when provocateurs begin violence, they must be shut down, shunned, or fled from. The anarchists causing so much damage in Europe must be repudiated instantly and completely, even if this means fleeing the area to regroup elsewhere. ... Below are some headlines focusing on both non-violence as the avowed method, and violence as the undesired result today, caused by infiltrators to the group (e.g. anarchists, undercover police) not by the group itself. Emphasis is added. The media–including Russia Today TV–is exaggerating the violence and failing to properly investigate the actual sources of the violence. OWS is going to have to do this for them, and denounce, in detail and with audio-visual precision, those who do violence to OWS, alongside OWS, or in the name of OWS. ..."

If police see their buddies going down, or see things they are charged to protect being broken, they are going to react as humans and turn against the demonstrators. OWS needs to avoid that problem by policing itself and discouraging anyone who tries to start violent or destructive actions, and by disassociating itself strongly from any violent actions.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 12 years ago

Exactly. Perhaps you could ask the cops to train in how to drill and march in protest; that is, with each Platoons of 64 having 1 Police Officer leading (and drilling) each Platoon during the protest march.

In this, many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:




because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.

Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.

Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.

Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.

The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.

Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.

So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.

[-] 1 points by RastafariAmerican (141) from Yonkers, NY 12 years ago


[-] 1 points by derek (302) 12 years ago

Something to think about in terms of talking to the "guards" whatever color uniform they wear: http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncomrev24.html Howard Zinn wrote: "However, the unexpected victories-even temporary ones-of insurgents show the vulnerability of the supposedly powerful. In a highly developed society, the Establishment cannot survive without the obedience and loyalty of millions of people who are given small rewards to keep the system going: the soldiers and police, teachers and ministers, administrators and social workers, technicians and production workers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, transport and communications workers, garbage men and firemen. These people-the employed, the somewhat privileged-are drawn into alliance with the elite. They become the guards of the system, buffers between the upper and lower classes. If they stop obeying, the system falls. That will happen, I think, only when all of us who are slightly privileged and slightly uneasy begin to see that we are like the guards in the prison uprising at Attica—expendable; that the Establishment, whatever rewards it gives us, will also, if necessary to maintain its control, kill us."

How many people die just from lack of health care, or good food, or safe transportation, or good safe neighborhoods to live in? How many people even with jobs as guards see their children at risk for lack of those things? How many lives are blighted by what is becoming a scam we call schooling with high debts for college loans? How many people remain at risk from a nuclear war or plagues driven by profit-seeking militarism? How much of the risk of terrorism comes from foreign policy related to maximizing oil profits for the 1%? So, a system that does not care much about the welfare of the 99% (or even, in its insanity, the long term prosperity of the 1%) has many ways of putting people at risk indirectly.

At the end of that chapter, Howard Zinn also wrote: "The prospect is for times of turmoil, struggle, but also inspiration. There is a chance that such a movement could succeed in doing what the system itself has never done-bring about great change with little violence. This is possible because the more of the 99 percent that begin to see themselves as sharing needs, the more the guards and the prisoners see their common interest, the more the Establishment becomes isolated, ineffectual. The elite's weapons, money, control of information would be useless in the face of a determined population. The servants of the system would refuse to work to continue the old, deadly order, and would begin using their time, their space-the very things given them by the system to keep them quiet-to dismantle that system while creating a new one. The prisoners of the system will continue to rebel, as before, in ways that cannot be foreseen, at times that cannot be predicted. The new fact of our era is the chance that they may be joined by the guards. We readers and writers of books have been, for the most part, among the guards. If we understand that, and act on it, not only will life be more satisfying, right off, but our grandchildren, or our great grandchildren, might possibly see a different and marvelous world. "

[-] 1 points by Markmad (323) 12 years ago

Cops and soldiers are not stupid, it’s their job. Usually, the first ones to come along as the revolution progresses and the mob explode. In time, they’ll make a strategic move for the nation.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 12 years ago

I think a group should do outreach with their unions