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Forum Post: ". . . They'll Give Up Anything But Their Ego." -Mohandas Ghandi

Posted 10 years ago on Jan. 9, 2012, 12:18 a.m. EST by GypsyKing (8708)
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Food for thought.



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[-] 1 points by neveragain (55) 10 years ago

As will most men. And by men I just me humans.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 10 years ago

Indeed, by the end of 1943, ruthless suppression by the British brought order to India, and it wasn't until after the war (where the British empire fell apart anyway) that India was partitioned (and the British gave it up). He did inspire Martin Luther King, yet King had a much easier task (the British jailed hundreds of thousands and killed thousands, something that could not happen in the United States at the time).

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

It took Ghandi I don't know how many years to expell the English, but in the end he did it without firing a shot. I don't think anything quite like it had happened in human history. I find it inspiring, and yet I think the question he posed here goes beyond history, it goes to the root of what it means to be human and whether we are capable of redemption.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 10 years ago

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi... The poster boy of Non Violent Protest... But let it be noted that the only reason India, Pakistan and the other colonies attained freedom in the end was because after WW2, the Brits simply could not afford to hold onto their empire...

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

Once 300,000,000 Indians decided to not cooperate, Britain simply could not remain. His movement would have been a success under those circumstances even if Britain were still at it's height.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

Britain actively looted India.

The much-mooted rail system sent food out of the country, while millions of people starved to death.

The class system that England exported with colonialism is not exactly something to be proud of.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

No, it certainly was not, and the class system within England was not something to be proud of either.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

I can't believe that remnants of it still remain.

Do poorer people need figureheads to look up to?

Britain is in just as much financial trouble as America, and still the people cling to their heirarchies like there can not possibly be any other way to live.

It's astounding. With such control over much of the media, I guess that most people just choose to believe what they are told.

Hoping for change, but it's oh-so-slow coming around.

[-] 1 points by neveragain (55) 10 years ago

I remember the cheer people felt in their hearts when Obama came along even though I was for the Ms. Clinton. I saw Obama become a "politician", saying anything he thought he had to in order to get elected. He didn't really deserve the pedestal that he was offered.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

Yeah, I know. It seems that people just really want to believe that The Emperor IS wearing clothes! It has amazed me all my life that people just desperately want to believe a lie, as long as it's told by those with the veneer of power. It is really strange being human.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

And apparently the bigger the lie, the more believable it is.

With today's focus on infomedia, rather than on real news items, the focus remains on the "next big thing" regardless of whether that thing is a total fabrication, or something that really happened, or will happen.

Take a look at the "celebrity" list. One would assume from the various magazines that there are only one hundred important people in the whole world. Some of them are famous simply for being famous.

Evidence of the power of ultimate media control.

Tell a lie enough times, and you'll believe it yourself.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 10 years ago

Oh yeah... they screwed over India every which way... not to mention planting the seeds for the Muslim Hindu conflict which torments citizens of both India and Pakistan to this day...

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

divide and conquer. Sounds familiar. Still using that one today with dem/repub ploy. I've been questioning this for a while now. Where is the middle ground? Are there no centrists?

Turns out it doesn't really matter.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 10 years ago

In the absence of a viable third party we are one party away from being a Fascist state... that is only lip-service though... they are all one and the same... People need to start accepting that we live in a Fascist state...

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

Yes, I must agree. I completely lost faith in our Australian gov when, against public opinion, our admin sent our troops into Iraq.

Even after the ruse was uncovered, and our PM decided to pull our troops out, it took one visit with the US VP to convince him to change his mind.

He dropped out of politics in our next election. Even lost his own seat in his home electorate.

I'm thinking he got the shit scared out of him.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

Then Austrailian Democracy if more alive than American Democracy. I'll tell you the truth, I just never have understood what makes Americans vote the way they do. How can you get a working class guy to vote Republican? It's beyond stupid, it's masochistic! And yet they have done so, and undoubtedly will do so again!

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

Our current "leader" is sucking up to your prez bigtime. She wasn't voted into office, and hung on to power by agreeing to the terms of several independents who now hold the balance of power.

Our system is far from perfect, particularly when three or four individuals call sway over the major parties. Our successive governments typically agree to whatever conditions your govt wants.

It's been this way since the beginning. We are both colonies of Britain.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 10 years ago

Yes, I was just pointing out that since FDR this country has never had a leader. I think all of us are in the same boat, really. I think we are all enslaved to the same international corporate structure. That's what Bush Sr. meant when he so eloquently ehoed Hitler in reference to "A New World Order." Well, now we've got it, WTF are we going to Do about it?

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 10 years ago

I guess that revolution is one option. Subservience the other.

Hmmm. Money will mean very little soon, I'm thinking.