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Forum Post: They have turned Monarchy into Democracy and, Democracy into Monarchy.

Posted 7 years ago on May 27, 2012, 7:38 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ
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The 1% has used their Orwellian War Machine to create within the minds of the people the ideal that King George somehow represents the current government and the fight against it by the privileged few is a fight for freedom. When in fact King George was the ultimate 1%er, he owned it all, just as every 1%er hopes to one day. To talk as if he were the “government” would be to say the revolution itself was not needed.

The 1% of today wish to treat their vast fortunes as their Kingdoms to do with as they please, and the peasants can do as they are told, by their boss or by the government that works for their boss either way anything resembling “freedom” for the average joe whose work product gets split between him and the boss, with the boss taking all he can get away with, doesn’t have a chance. The Royals will have freedom the rest of us will just be serving Them.

If we cannot remind people that a democratic government represents the will of the people, how will they ever trust their government to reign in this power? If the American people want freedom then they must take control of their government, so that we can ensure that America does not become a labor camp.

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=pwZ1Yk61

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=JzLp17Jy

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[-] 3 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 7 years ago

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 7 years ago

Why Socialism? by Albert Einstein, http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Einstein.htm

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

That Einstein was a smart fellow.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 7 years ago

When we survey our lives and endeavours, we soon observe that almost the whole of our actions and desires is bound up with the existence of other human beings. We notice that our whole nature resembles that of the social animals. We eat food that others have produced, wear clothes that others have made, live in houses that others have built. The greater part of our knowledge and beliefs has been communicated to us by other people through the medium of a language which others have created. Without language our mental capacities would be poor indeed, comparable to those of the higher animals; we have, therefore, to admit that we owe our principal advantage over the beasts to the fact of living in human society. The individual, if left alone from birth, would remain primitive and beastlike in his thoughts and feelings to a degree that we can hardly conceive. (Albert Einstein, 1934)

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

There has been some information that Einstein didn't have that DNA has given us, but given what was known at the time, this is quite good. I believe other factors have played into things a bit, but it takes some time to talk about those, no one knew how worthless the truth is more than Einstein, all he did was tell the truth, do you think he would have "used" it in way things truned out? The truth just is, no one "controls" it.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 7 years ago

I have no idea what you are talking about. Why do you go off on these tangents about truth? What truth are you talking about? I must know what you think is 'truth' before I sign onto whether I agree with someone else's truth. I am simply posting a quote from Einstein arguing for Socialism. But I have no idea what point you are trying to make about it. Do you agree or disagree with Einstein that we should be using socialism?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

OK, to be less cryptic, (I do go overboard), Einstein having written E= MC2 had no control over how it was used, there the “truth” was of no real value to him as a tool, and it really isn’t ever.

Socialism and capitalism blended with a few others is the system we have now I would suspect. The overall concept that we are an interdependent species I agree with, and should have made clearer, I apologize.

I was brief in my initial response in part due to feeling somewhat unqualified to “judge” Einstein’s statement but in replying to the quote I guess did. I have some rather recent thoughts about the “origins” question and I probably shouldn’t have spoken about those at all, as I do feel each person sees that in their own way.

[-] 3 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 7 years ago

Absolute truth to me is limited to scientific or mathematical proof. Everything else is guesswork that offers varying degrees of truth. Truth has no value as a tool? That makes no sense to me. Fire burns. That is absolutely true and I use that truth to avoid sticking my hand in the camp fire.

When you start talking about the 'use' and 'control' and 'value' of truth, and do not provide practical examples, you start sounding like some zen monk living on the mountainside. The conversation just gets too mystical for me.

So let's leave it at we both believe the concept we are an interdependent species.

[+] -4 points by gwirionedd (-369) 7 years ago

GeriTroll! Like any other aging forum troll, you pass judgment on people you have never met and issues you know nothing about all the time. Why exclude Einstein?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

mae'r haul yn gwenu heddi

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33799) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Healthy society = unity support of common cause support of each-other contribution cooperation.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 7 years ago

Cooperation should be the driving force in society, not competition.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33799) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Exactly - the only competition I ever truly enjoyed was competing with myself to be better and to do better. There is a healthy competition - who can make and implement the best green technology. Who can provide/produce the best green technology to export to impoverished country's. Who can create the best complete process for cleaning up of toxic waste - like coal ash fields.

That's what I call a healthy competition - compete to be best - Best for the world - Best for society - Best for Humanity.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 7 years ago

In a common sense world, all of society would be focused on cooperating to keep the atmosphere clean because it benefits us all, because it just makes sense...right.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33799) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Well it looks like that common sense is trying to be heard and accepted.

Though the corrupt are digging in their heels and are kicking and screaming.

Common sense in common cause is getting more and more attention.

God bless the birth of the movements against greed corruption and crime. God bless our activities and bless the ears of those who will hear the call to join.

Sorry for the short prayer I know many are not believers.

Sorry it took so long to reply - I lost my internet connection again.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 7 years ago

God bless your internet connection. ;.)

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33799) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Thanks I need the good wishes and prayers to stay connected. The internet has been really unreliable today. I just got back on not more then like 10 minutes ago.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 7 years ago

Smart mathematician. Doesn't make him an economics expert. I prefer classical liberal economic theory from Adam Smith. As opposed to the neo-liberal economic theories from the right wing that we have now. And certainly not pure socialism. I'll defer to Einstein in the math area and stick to Smith for the economics.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 7 years ago

I'm no super whiz at either discipline, so I humbly offer that our economy should be a healthy balance of capitalism and socialism - not pure socialism.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 7 years ago

Good post! Thanks factsrfun!

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Thank you, maybe we can get back to doing a little work here.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22951) 7 years ago

And, they are turning capitalism into feudalism.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Actually I think capitalism is maybe a little bit feudal, but I do think if carefully applied it can be safely used and should not be taken off the market completely.

[-] 1 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 7 years ago

Show me Feudalism! Survey says 27 points.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

morning jimmy

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33799) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

A revolution in revolution. No guns no war - just owning and using the system in place OUR system the DEMOCRATIC process. THE PEOPLE involved in their government like never before. Stop letting the few greedy assholes influence government.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Ben just put up a post about a workshop on reducing the power of money, it is key.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/corporate-personhood-teach-in-strategy-session/

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33799) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Thanks for the heads-up.

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 7 years ago

our current monetary system is just the current form of control

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

"money is the power to command the service of others" W. Buffet

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 7 years ago

much preferable to how earlier bosses ruled

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 7 years ago

its an invisable (to most) dictator

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 7 years ago

volume of money is never mentioned but its the whole ball of wax

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 7 years ago

if you supplied the serfs with some currency (evenly distributed)and over time, their economy would take off

[-] 1 points by know1 (210) 7 years ago

but then they wouldnt be so easily used

[-] -1 points by farmer88 (40) 7 years ago

Ah, monarchy. I personally don't have THAT big of a problem with it.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

many don't, it has always had many supporters, see my bio

[-] 1 points by farmer88 (40) 7 years ago

Ever heard of Distributism? It was thought up by G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc. It's a Third Way economic theory, their biggest problem was that with capitalism, too few capitalists occur instead of too many. I'd suggest looking it up.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

Did reading it help you accept the Monarchy? Fundmentally you can grant power to "The People" or to your Child, which would you choose? It is the Nation/Family conflict, if we do not rethink the power and role of money then we fall if we fall what of the world?

[-] 1 points by farmer88 (40) 7 years ago

Distributism has nothing to do with Monarchy, did you even look it up?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

read your comment, you provided no link, you said you were cool with Monarchy, I was just asking about that

[-] 0 points by farmer88 (40) 7 years ago

I said you could look it up. Do I need to do everything for you or can you do things on your own? This seems to be indicative of this movement in general.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8230) from Phoenix, AZ 7 years ago

sorry did I say i needed homework? who the hell are you to tell others what to do? if you want to share something share it, how lazy can you be, do you want others to do everything for you?