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Forum Post: TheMultitude.org

Posted 8 years ago on Oct. 17, 2011, 2:02 a.m. EST by equazcion (688) from New York, NY
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The forum you are currently viewing no longer represents an accurate picture of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

(Many people, including bloggers, come here seeking insight into the OWS movement. Since this forum is currently overflowing with outright vandalism, what they get is far from an accurate picture, eg. http://dailypundit.com/?p=44608 .)

If you want to communicate constructively, or if you simply want to see what the movement is really about, please head to http://www.TheMultitude.org : a forum built by users here who were tired of its many vandals and technical limitations. If you like what you see, please register and tell a friend. Come get things done, and help build a better image for OWS at the same time.

TheMultitude.org is moderated and trolls are banned.

We're now at over 300 members and still growing steadily. A heartfelt thanks to everyone coming to participate. Let's continue lifting the Occupy movement's online operation into something useful.


Selected user comments:

MichaelFerrer: "If you want something that will actually work, go here and make it work. This isn't a game; don't stick around a place that treats it like one."

MattE: "Great site. Good people, a decided lack of trolls. Arguments and dissent are met with logic and polite, educated debate."

KulaFarmer2: "Follow the link to the multitude website, Civil people will be relieved that the crazy on the OWS website is not the representive base."

Jadith: "This site really has what is advertised."

Washington: "Will actually be able to carry on a discussion for more than 30 minutes or an hour, by topic, with no trolls."

Mike122333: "TheMultitude.org. Thank god!"


Just to pre-empt all the cries of "censorship" by the trolls (which they'll undoubtedly post here anyway, but hey I tried):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) : "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Actual constructive debate from people who disagree with the movement is perfectly fine. Only trolls, as defined above, will be banned (same as they are here, when moderators are paying attention).


If you have any questions, please ask. Thanks.

"If I understand this movement's zeitgeist, there is no such thing as splintering, only appending." -- Mike122333

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[-] 10 points by MichaelFerrer (63) 8 years ago

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php

If you want something that will actually work, go here and make it work. This isn't a game; don't stick around a place that treats it like one.

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php

[-] 4 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

This describes the issue really well. Hope you don't mind, I quoted you in the original post above.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

the subject categories have been cut

[-] 0 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Thanks ... bump

[-] -3 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 8 years ago

Bumped! As many people as possible should go to

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php

To carry on the discussion without dissenting opinion.

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Thanks for the info.

[-] 0 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I agree! Though dissenting opinions are welcome, you cute little troll you.

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[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 8 years ago

Totally agree with you, equazcion, "MikeyD" = long-outed TROLL. In one of his "brilliant posts", he was clamoring for "'naked chicks".

I have nothing against "themultitude". Like hundreds of others on THIS forum, I just want to know WHY the Forum Admins - and presumably Adbusters and OWS - have let this forum deteriorate to the point that it looks more like a ANTI-OWS HATE SITE than anything else.

Many of us have become convinced that the forum admins are in fact INFILTRATED:

"[-] GypsyKing 2 points 12 hours ago We, or at least I, have been demanding an answer to this question for at least a month now! Nobody here seems able to exercize control over this site, or otherwise to disaffiliate ourselves from it. I think the situation is outrageous and we need to get to the bottom of it. Personally, I have felt for a long time that this site has been infiltrated."

As my girfriend asked incredulously the other day : "OWS wants to take back the country, BUT CAN'T TAKE BACK ITS OWN FORUM???"

A user asked "Why aren't the OWS moderated against this Right Wing Garbage?" and her post garnered A WHOPPING 386 COMMENTS in less than 3 days... with nary a word from the forum admins.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-arent-the-ows-moderated-against-this-right-win/#comment-486764

Before I make the decision to switch another forum, I want to UNDERSTAND what the hell is going on in THIS forum, where the worst trolls never seem to get banned. I'm asking you because I trust you and because so far nobody in authority has bothered to give us the real dope about this sorry excuse for a forum.

[-] -2 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 8 years ago

Troll!? I certainly hope you aren't accusing me of trying to draw people away from the OWS forum to make a few bucks off of them, while at the same time splitting the crowd to make it seem smaller. I would never do that!

[-] 3 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

From "Who We Are" at TheMultitude.org:

*TheMultitude.org

TheMultitude.org is a place where the #OccupyWallStreet movement can come together and organize online; whether it be to organize their ideas, their plans, their information, or simply to support each other.

The idea for TheMultitude.org began as a group of users frequenting occupywallst.org's proprietary forum decided that a separately-run website, dedicated to organized communication, was needed. The founding users of TheMultitude.org firmly believe that a strong, organized online component of the movement will be an essential tool in helping the movement exercise its full potential.

This website is not a replacement for occupywallst.org. Rather, this site attempts to relieve the burden of public communication from that site and its organizers -- a function which they likely did not originally foresee growing to the degree it has.

TheMultitude.org is currently funded by its founders. If traffic eventually grows to the point that more resources are needed than we can provide, donated web space may be solicited from other organizations.

No one makes any money from this website, and we pledge that it will never be used that way.

We hope you find this site useful. Please feel free to share it.

If you have questions about this website, don't hesitate to post them in the Site Business section.

Thank you, TheMultitude.org*

[-] 5 points by MattE (74) 8 years ago

Great site. Good people, a decided lack of trolls. Arguments and dissent are met with logic and polite, educated debate.

As far as censorship:

Yep. It's there. Trolls need not apply. A quick refresh on free speech: It's their house, their rules, their right to censor.

For example, if OWS has happening on my lawn (private property), I'd be within my rights to have them removed, as that's called trespassing.*

Same with multitude. If you're a troll, your not welcome. They kick you out.

Not a difficult concept.

*Dear OWS: I know your good people, but my lawn is far too small to hold all of you. Might I suggest Rupert Murdoch's lawn?

[-] 1 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Help TheMultitude.org grow. Post a comment at http://occupywallst.org/forum/themultitudeorg/.

[-] 0 points by gforz (-43) 8 years ago

Might that apply to Zucotti Park?

[-] -1 points by Rob (881) 8 years ago

Ziccoti park is private property. Just fyi

[-] 3 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

I support this and urge people who see the need for a better forum to have a look.

http://www.TheMultitude.org

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Bibbidi Bobbidi Bump

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

La Bumpa!

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

i agree

[-] 1 points by NielsH (212) 8 years ago

so do i

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

then we have an accord

[-] 1 points by NielsH (212) 8 years ago

I believe we do

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

ale and wenches to celebrate?

[-] 2 points by lifesprizes (298) 8 years ago

Nothing breeds fairness faster than visibility

[-] 2 points by rknox (6) from Cedar Grove, NJ 8 years ago

Rand Redemocratist at Large ReOccupy Democracy http://www.autobuyology.org/car15.html Thank you for teaching http://www.autobuyology.org/thankyouforteaching.pdf Tell Car Makers to Make Cleaner-air Vehicles http://www.autobuyology.org/tellcarmakerstocleantheair.pdf

[-] 2 points by AnnieOkra (3) 8 years ago

The forum is a great idea!

[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Good new OWS forum. Will actually be able to carry on a discussion for more than 30 minutes or an hour, by topic, with no trolls.

I hope that those interested will click and have a look. http://www.TheMultitude.org

[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago
[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

I am very pleased there is a more organized public forum

where people will be able to coordinate their thoughts on changing the world

[-] 2 points by gtyper (477) from San Antonio, TX 8 years ago

TheMultitude is a much more organized and rational discussion area.

I support the notion of OWS moving a lot of the discussion there.

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

I have enjoyed the discussions at TheMulititude.org

[-] 1 points by NielsH (212) 8 years ago

i agree

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[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

A geithner of bankers look out their penthouse boardroom windows frightened

[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Word for a collection or group of bankers? Bevy? Bungle of bankers? Bushel? Brace, bustle, brash? A Clutch. A belch of bankers?

[-] 1 points by achana (43) 8 years ago

A geithner of bankers?

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I like belch :) "A bevy of bankers" has a nice ring though hehe

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[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

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[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Good new OWS forum. Will actually be able to carry on a discussion for more than 30 minutes or an hour, by topic, with no trolls.

I hope that those interested will click and have a look. http://www.TheMultitude.org

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[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

yes we can

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[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/ for anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and focused discussion.

[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

This forum is approaching unusable. When you eventually reach the point where you want to give up on this forum, please check out http://www.TheMultitude.org , built by users here who were tired of its many issues. If you like what you see, please register, tell a friend, and bump this post.

TheMultitude.org forum is moderated and trolls are banned. http://www.TheMultitude.org

[-] 2 points by beardy (282) 8 years ago

Shutdown this forum and post a link to the new one. That will help with user migration.

[-] 2 points by betsydoula (143) from Beverly Hills, FL 8 years ago

This new forum is much better. Please switch over of you are serious about growing this on-line movement.

[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Newest Posts at http://www.TheMultitude.org (Just a copy of the list of newest. There are many more.

MoveOn.org Movement Hijacking?

Let's Discuss Direct Democracy

An INTENSE moment of TRUTH with MAINSTREAM Media

Parallel Government?

Message to OWS...

Radio Interview with OWS Protesters

Zeitgesit movement

Will Occupy break the banks this way?

Ben outflanks the financier guys

Hillary and Obama stand up for the protesters

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Interesting topics.

[-] 2 points by Idaltu (662) 8 years ago

Constructive debate.....not something you will find on this forum.

[-] 2 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Good new OWS forum. Will actually be able to carry on a discussion for more than 30 minutes or an hour, by topic, with no trolls.

I hope that those interested will click and have a look. http://www.TheMultitude.org

[-] 2 points by ItsAboutTime (12) 8 years ago

Bump

http://www.themultitude.org/

Let's get corporate money and influence OUT of politics. Bring back democracy by the people, for the people.

[-] 2 points by fragro (6) 8 years ago

Hey guys. I like the idea. I have been working on a forum that can help get rid of sockpuppets and trolls at openassembly, and we have etherpad for you to collaboratively edit.

http://www.openassembly.org

working on polling and more extensive moderation features, so check it out and add your ideas there. It will allow us to generate a manifesto as soon as we get enough people on board, there are advanced voting methods like the Schulze method being implemented. Working hard for the revolution here!

[-] 2 points by laguy (110) 8 years ago

I checked out the openassembly.org website. I think its a great idea. I have also seen that they are using meetup.com to create local occupy teams/groups. Verification by real people is a must for open source participatory/direct democracy system. Please come to the forum to discuss these issues with others on how best to move forward and make this movement a success online and offline with the greatest possible reach and unite as much of the 99% as possible: http://www.themultitude.org/

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

It is an informative OWS companion forum.

Thanks

[-] 2 points by RichardGates (1529) 8 years ago

ok, check it out homie. i'm going to help you out. to get more users you need to google SEO and read google seo help section, not any other source. get with occupyr.com and see about a link exchange and i will list you on my blog as well. in short, you need to get links out, pointing at your domain, lots of them. you need to replace your site name in the header and the sites title (not domain name but <title>) with what you want to be associated with, in this case "occupy wallstreet" you need at least one page with a lengthy article using every term someone may use in a search, from both parties. in a day or two you will be on the first two pages of results. keep refining till you get first page. install the google ranking tool in your browser.

[-] 2 points by Nulambda (265) 8 years ago

Don't they list you as one of their "trolls"? I swear. All this complaining about trolls. Trolls. Trolls. Trolls. I am soooooooo sick of it. I have been to the Multitude, and if you like PTA meetings, then go. But boring. This forum is more like a punk rock show. Everyone says their mind. No limitations. If you want to tell someone to fuck off you can. This is where the true debate and movement is. In it's raw, ugly forum. So all you whining puddles go to your PTA meeting while those with heart and spine can hammer out the true messy debates here.

And I am a big fan, RichardGates. Keep it up.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 8 years ago

lol I'm hooked on the insanity that is this forum

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Thanks for the tips :)

[-] 2 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 8 years ago

We do need a better forum than this one...It is to hard here to have a discussion as a group which is what we should be doing instead of back and forth between two people basically.

Oh and bump.

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

For anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and discussion.

An #OccupyWallStreet Companion Forum

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/

[-] 1 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Bump

http://www.themultitude.org/

Let's get corporate money and influence OUT of politics. Bring back democracy by the people, for the people.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Hasn't been bumped in a while.

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Gothenburg, NE 8 years ago

Any site will have such problems as it scales, unless there's a more complete voting model. It does no good to splinter and faction the movement away from the official site. Instead, make the official site better.

For solution to the scaling problem, email me.

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 8 years ago

That's better

[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 8 years ago

Ditto. I'm no Rico at themultitude.org

[-] 1 points by laguy (110) 8 years ago

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[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

I have moved the better part of my activity to themultitude, and I can tell you that it is a far better moderated, far better organized, far better network of real communication than this forum. Please, please, all serious occupiers move to themultitude so we can do constructive work together, rather then just become confused and frustrated here.

[-] 1 points by laguy (110) 8 years ago

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[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Yeah, this is the place to go.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Yeah, this is the place to go.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

There is simply no question that this post should be re-posted.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

There is simply no question that this topic is worth re-posting.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

This is well worth re-posting

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Absolutely true.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8706) 8 years ago

Absolutely true.

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absolutely true.

[-] 1 points by betsydoula (143) from Beverly Hills, FL 8 years ago

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php This is a great virtual general assembly for those scattered around the country, and it is very organized for finding discussions, and for voting on ideas.

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[-] 1 points by JQcitizen (125) from Houghton, MI 8 years ago

There is constructive conversation there. Go there if you really want to do something to cause a change.

It could have been here but the noise to content ratio is way too high here.

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[-] 1 points by mwagshol (120) from Seattle, WA 8 years ago

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php

Join some actually intelligent discussions!

[-] 1 points by NielsH (212) 8 years ago

oops, I bumped it again

[-] 1 points by NielsH (212) 8 years ago

Thanks for starting TheMultitude. As much as I like this raving kaleidoscope of opinion and distraction, I do like to have a place where serious discussion is possible too.

[-] 1 points by NielsH (212) 8 years ago

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[-] 1 points by Christy (62) 8 years ago

Thanks.
Bump.

[-] 1 points by gardenguy (27) 8 years ago

May I second MattE's comment: "Great site. Good people, a decided lack of trolls. Arguments and dissent are met with logic and polite, educated debate."

[-] 1 points by sassafrass (197) 8 years ago

check it multitude for additional discussions.

[-] 1 points by lifesprizes (298) 8 years ago

What do you think about this, another member just posted it. http://www.osixs.org/Rev2_menu_intro.aspx

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

But switching to TheMultitude.org the

Usability of that forum

Might just

Prosper and grow

[-] 1 points by MattP (15) from Sacramento, CA 8 years ago

thanks

[-] 1 points by gdarapper (50) 8 years ago

FreePatriotism.com

[-] 1 points by MaiaDalma1 (9) from Rock City Falls, NY 8 years ago

Davitch warned me about this. But I sense no harm in your intent. Maia.

[-] 1 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 8 years ago

Alright, I made the switch.

Will probably be posting in both forums. This one still has a couple of folks I like.

[-] 1 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 8 years ago

I'm thinkin' about moving my OWS online self over there. Inertia is preventing me. Is it a backwater?

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

If anything I'd say you're in the backwater here :) This place really bears little resemblance to the movement. It's more a 4chan for politics (and often not even that). It's probably best to check out themultitude and judge for yourself though, you can browse the threads without registering.

[-] 1 points by Kulafarmer2 (118) 8 years ago

They are right you know.

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 8 years ago

why not just change the forum on this site. this is the one that gets quoted in the news.

[-] 1 points by WorldFreedom (62) 8 years ago

How many people are pushing this forum?

I have just left TheMultitude after posting several well thought out posts in support of the OWS Movement and Ethos, but the forum owner ended up being very disrespectful before finally calling me "a liar" in public.

A "liar" means not supporting his position, even though Itotally support the position of OWS.

TheMultitude is not representative of what OWS is about.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

The person you were arguing with wasn't the admin. He was a mod; and he wasn't moderating the thread, as in, threatening to delete your posts. He was just arguing with you about the topic. Political debates become heated sometimes, and just because mods get involved in the heat of the moment as everyone else does, that doesn't mean he's acting on the site's behalf; just a regular participant in the discussion.

Here's the post, for context: http://www.themultitude.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2050&sid=50a0c0fc7042c261a2ffbead42280bda#p2050

I had suggested removing the mod label display from mods who planned to argue politics using their mod accounts, so people wouldn't incorrectly assume they were speaking "as a mod" at all times, but some mods didn't care for the idea. I'll take another look at this.

[-] 1 points by DavitchFarynVago (128) from Massena, NY 8 years ago

You need to make sure people do not get SICK!

[-] 1 points by DavitchFarynVago (128) from Massena, NY 8 years ago

Because when the wind, rain, and snow come, they will begin to drift away...and so will your support. And if you haven't built that base of cyber warriors willing to fight on with you from afar, your cause will be lost in the howling of the winter winds. And what began as a howl will die with a shivering whimper.

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

TheMultitude.org http://www.TheMultitude.org

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TheMultitude.org http://www.TheMultitude.org

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[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

i agree

[-] 1 points by Mike122333 (102) 8 years ago

Same dialog, far better user experience.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 8 years ago

i am pleased to see this alternative taking off. good job. I hope you will join the wiki, and it would be awesome to have threads from your forums copied into the wiki where such threads are useful and meaningful in the general sense this will create some organization.

quid pro quo... come visit me i come visit u.

:) http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ

http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

These got dropped at TheMultitude:

You guys might want to communicate and either mirror content or redirect all your domain names to a single site, or join forces some other way. All three are MediaWiki-based, so sharing/migrating shouldn't be difficult.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 8 years ago

thanks, will definitely bear those in mind to collaborate.

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

We Are The 99 Percent: http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

[-] 1 points by laguy (110) 8 years ago

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TheMultitude.org http://www.TheMultitude.org

[-] 1 points by Howtodoit (1232) 8 years ago

awesome, hers'e my 2 cents;

Here's how we can easily Reform Wall Street: Take away their powers "Once Again." And a Million People March to Capitol Hill will help get it done!

For example, "We are here Congress because we want you to REINSTATE the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp#axzz1aPEc3wX which was created to help save our country from the Great Depression by preventing investment companies, banks, and insurance companies from merging and becoming large brokerage firms; instead of just being Banks and Insurance companies -- Congress why can't you learn a history lesson from 1929? It doesn't work. Btw, why did most of you vote for most of it's repeal in 1999? http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/19/shattering-the-glass-steagall-act (2nd story here)

Think about where we are now, it all started in 1999 with lawmakers like Senator Phil Gramm who helped create legal gambling casinos for our banks: CNN's The Ten Most Responsible for Economy Collapse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOxr2wBZQ&feature=related

Furthermore, we also want you to CHANGE the Commodities Future Modernization Act of 2000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000 BACK to where it was before 2000, which since has deregulated energy markets and consequently allowed for such scams as The Enron Loophole; whereas in the early 2000's Enron Corp. was charging 250 bucks plus for a kilowatt hour...They all when to jail for this. But, the Enron loophole is still not closed, for example, allowing speculators to resell barrels of oil over and over again before it reaches the gas station owner. It's basically legal gambling at our expense. What were those lawmakers thinking then? What are you thinking now? Either do the right thing, or you're part of the 1%."

So why are oil prices high? The Enron Loophole. Former head of U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission speaks to Congress on the high price of oil--and he's not happy about energy deregulations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTGYQBMU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNp0y0SjOkY&feature=related

Rolling Stones Reporter: Truth about Goldman Sachs--how they have cornered the markets--basically, The Enron Loophole and the shattering of Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waL5UxScgUw

Let's get focused and bring back The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, they got it right 1933, we don't need to REINVENT the wheel because bringing this Act back will help create an even playing field once again....and let's finally Close the Enron Loophole, which allowed Enron to charge what they wanted for energy; they went to jail for this; but no one closed the loophole, why? Re-election Monies from the big brokerage firms and oil companies! The writing is on the wall.

Let's get organized and reinstate these critical financial reforms by a Million People March to Capitol Hill!

[-] 1 points by laguy (110) 8 years ago

sticky

[-] 1 points by StevenRoyal (490) from Dania Beach, FL 8 years ago

I'll give it a look.

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

rock on

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

le bump

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[-] 1 points by Kaymee (4) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 8 years ago

One question though. There are people on the multitude forum saying the are "Occupy Wherever", @OccupyWherever. And speaking for that particular group. Are you able to validate OWS users? How? Thank-you.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you clarify? If you could copy and paste an example of the kind of statement you're referring to it would help. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by Kaymee (4) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 8 years ago

Love the multitude forum. Am on a lot of boards that use this layout, but are not moderated. Really like that this forum would be. Thanks!

[-] 1 points by cmt (1195) from Tolland, CT 8 years ago

No trolls, but constructive discussion. It's worth moving for anyone who really cares.

[-] 1 points by MattP (15) from Sacramento, CA 8 years ago

bum[\p

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

I'm confused... There is:

http://multitudeproject.blogspot.com/2011/10/what-are-occupation-camps.html

http://groups.google.com/group/multitudeproject

...and:

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/

Are these all related?

Also, assuming this is you, I re-posted an excerpt and link to your article on emerging cities:

http://metapolitik.org/blog/protests-as-emerging-cities

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

themultitude.org is not affiliated with "multitude project". This is actually the first I've heard about those.

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 8 years ago

Sorry to be the bearer of competitive news.

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[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/ for anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and focused discussion.

[-] 1 points by sassafrass (197) 8 years ago

Gonna check it out now. [bump]

[-] 1 points by aphrodite837 (145) 8 years ago

Thank you for creating an organized forum.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 8 years ago

The problem is many forums ban you for disagreeing with them. Case in point, I have been banned about seven times from Democratic Underground, probably because I bash dems.

[-] 1 points by Indepat (924) from Minneola, FL 8 years ago

I agree, this forum is insane. I'll check out your site, because it's what's needed.

the only thing. This is the site for the movement, so I don't think we can just disregard it all together.

[-] 1 points by Meesa (173) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I'll check it out. I've been on this forum trying to get involved with the discussion but am being told, "Go to OWS in person, this is not representative of what is really taking place." Well, for those of us unable to attend the GA due to professional and personal limitations -- or geographical ones -- not everyone is near an Occupy hub! -- there must be a way to participate in the discussion, and online is a great forum.

That said, what is your definition of troll on the Multitude site? I'll check it out, but I hope you're not banning conversation because you don't agree w/someone's point of view. I hope I visit the site and find people willing to look beyond "demonizing the rich" and I hope if I make a statement like that, people don't roar, "What are you, the 1%?" I hope I can talk about the symbolism of OWS without people censoring me for being a skeptic. I'm an idealistic skeptic, though. :)

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

As stated in the original post above, dissenting opinions are welcome.

Trolls are defined as follows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) : "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

[-] 1 points by Meesa (173) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I know how it is defined. Just hoping the experience allows real discussion and critique. I've had or have witnessed negative experiences to date in these forums when critiques are brought forth. Glad to see another forum is coming out --

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[-] 1 points by grepcat (121) 8 years ago

The power of the troll lies in the power of the forum. To ban them is to prove tyrannical, and it is only a matter of time before you ban those comments you just don't like. Trolls provide a valuable service. The only half-decent mechanism is group moderation. The best forums in the world allow all comments and remove none, the user can decide. I hate racist troll remarks just as much as anyone, but the should be left alone.

[-] 1 points by Friday (11) 8 years ago

Bumpss

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

To anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and focused discussion.

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/

[-] 1 points by loopy506850 (25) 8 years ago

That forum sucks, using the official ows forum helps boost google index rating of this site, hence bringing in more visitors. Also Code is opensource they can make fixes and upgrades on the fly. Just need to get these hippies motivated!

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

They are as motivated as can be, which is why they rightly prioritize the street movement over the online portion. I believe the online arm could be a great benefit, but the physical street movement does deserve the priority. TheMultitude.org uses all open-source code as well.

[-] 1 points by Kulafarmer2 (118) 8 years ago

Doin the bump, even in the darkest of times one must only remember to turn on the light!

[-] 1 points by Kulafarmer2 (118) 8 years ago

Follow the link to the multitude website, Civil people will be relieved that the crazy on the OWS website is not the representive base.

[-] 1 points by MattP (15) from Sacramento, CA 8 years ago

bump it

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 8 years ago

Perfect!! See you there

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

This forum is approaching unusable. When you're ready to give up on it, please check out http://www.TheMultitude.org , a forum built by users here who were tired of its many issues. If you like what you see, please register, tell a friend, and bump this post.

TheMultitude.org is moderated and trolls are banned.

As put exceptionally well by user MichaelFerrer below: "If you want something that will actually work, go here and make it work. This isn't a game; don't stick around a place that treats it like one."

Just to pre-empt all the cries of "censorship" by the trolls (which they'll undoubtedly post here anyway, but hey I tried):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) : "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Actual constructive debate from people who disagree with the movement is perfectly fine. Only trolls, as defined above, will be banned (same as they are here, when moderators are paying attention).

If you have any questions, please ask. Thanks.

"If I understand this movement's zeitgeist, there is no such thing as splintering, only appending." -- Mike122333

[-] 1 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Good site. Go look for yourself. http://www.TheMultitude.org

[-] 1 points by AmericanArtist (53) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Lets Build It Together ! History is still being written . . . We are I T

For The Love of God , We are the Art . . .

http://www.wikioccupywallst.org

Wiki Occupy

Now is the Time

Liberty Eternal

[-] 1 points by Mike122333 (102) 8 years ago

TheMultitide.org

Thank God!

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

i agree

[-] 1 points by Washington (77) from Khon San, Chaiyaphum 8 years ago

Bumped! So that people have a chance to click and see for themselves if they want to read and or post there.

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago
[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Again, thanks for the link. Great forum!

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Bada-bing ... Bada-bump

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

bump-ed-y bump bump

[-] 1 points by AnnieOkra (3) 8 years ago

The forum is a great idea!

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

I agree.

An #OccupyWallStreet Companion Forum

http://www.themultitude.org/forum/

[-] 1 points by booshington (397) 8 years ago

themultitude is a much better forum.

[-] 1 points by hairlessOrphan (522) 8 years ago

Well, it does feel like an echo chamber. But I'm not sure if that's better or worse than this.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

i'm seeing a bit of heat. but any lack of conflicting views is due to the relatively low membership we have there as opposed to here right now. no one who's attempted to speak has been silenced.

[-] 1 points by hairlessOrphan (522) 8 years ago

Oh, I don't know. I've already come to associate your forum with the phrase, "perhaps it is better to refrain from such rhetoric." Only because it comes from a mod. Gives me the squints.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I'm PMing you in the forum. I'd like to see those posts if you wouldn't mind directing me to them.

[-] 1 points by jadith (8) 8 years ago

here's a bump. This site really has what is advertised.

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago
[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Agreed ... bump

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Bump again.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Thanks :)

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[-] 0 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Thank-you

[-] 0 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Thank-you

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[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

b-b-b-bump

[-] 1 points by laguy (110) 8 years ago

yea 100 comments

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Milestone :)

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[-] 1 points by booshington (397) 8 years ago

Oh dealbreaker. I'm not into new forums that require my email address to be verified and I promise plenty of other OWS people will feel the same.

Can you remove this?

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

No, unfortunately that's one of the troll-control methods. The forum we're in now requires an email address too, though perhaps not verified. I don't see how verification alone would be off-putting, unless you planned to put in a fake one, the allowance of which would defeat the purpose.

[-] 1 points by MadCat (160) 8 years ago

Joined and bump.

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

Good point, i agree

[-] 1 points by MadCat (160) 8 years ago

Why thank you... bump.

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

oh you are most welcome :D

[-] 1 points by booshington (397) 8 years ago

Ok I just had a peek and one huge, huge error in starting a forum stands out: Too many subforums.

You need to make it one forum at first with extremely simplified registration process. Expand into subforums as you need them, not before.

When someone links to the forum it should immediate list the threads, like it does here.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I've heard suggestions going both ways on this. Until yesterday there were only about 5 subforums, but things seemed a little too chaotic and hard to find, somewhat like what this forum became. So we made a judgment call. We don't mind if some subforums look a bit scant for a while. Scroll to the bottom of the homepage to see the latest post list, if you don't want to click around the various subforums.

[-] 1 points by booshington (397) 8 years ago

The problem is that it's hard to keep people coming back or to get them participating in a new forum with a lot of subforums. I'm sure it can be done, but I've been around on forums for a long time and the most successful always start small and expand as needed.

I'll keep an eye and participate on the forum but if it's slow to pickup I would consider dropping it to 1-3 subforums to start. It keeps everyones attention in one spot until there is enough content to draw it elsewhere, and it doesn't seem like such a ghosttown to new visitors.

Get Google Analytics up and running so you can see how long new visitors stick around.

I'll say too that the content there is amazing compared with this forum, the challenge is getting it to catch on.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

You could be right. We can always make changes as we see a need. The forum is young and I'm sure it'll evolve a lot as it goes.

[-] 1 points by wweddingMadeintheUSA (135) 8 years ago

This forum is fuckin BABYLON!!!!!

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[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Your call. But thanks.

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[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

That's true. There is no perfect system, unfortunately.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

bumparella

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[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

bumpington

[-] 1 points by Friday (11) 8 years ago

Bumpp

[-] 1 points by betsydoula (143) from Beverly Hills, FL 8 years ago

Go this new site so we can continue these discussions in an organized fashion without those that are not supportive.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Another good one :)

[-] 1 points by Chany (20) 8 years ago

Isn't bumping fun?

[-] 1 points by MadCat (160) 8 years ago

That's what my prom date said! I mean... bump!

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I know I sure like it :)

[-] 1 points by BigChill (79) 8 years ago

Bada-bing ... bada-bump

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

bumpism

[-] 1 points by NielsH (212) 8 years ago

Shall I bump it once more?

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

bumpology

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

bumptastic

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

bumps

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

and bumps

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

and bums of bumps

[-] 1 points by RockyJ (208) 8 years ago

Thanks for the link!

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 8 years ago

Hey look, a forum that isn't spammed with right-wing Fox News bullshit every 5 minutes? Awesome!

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[-] 0 points by ThatOneGuy (51) 8 years ago

still haven't broken 300 huh?

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[-] 0 points by DSams (-71) 8 years ago

Troll free and indepth discussion and debate...

[-] 0 points by DSams (-71) 8 years ago

If the disorganized nature of this forum frustrates you, then try theMultitude.org -- we are focused on productive debate, not name calling, in an effort to move forward.

[-] 0 points by anonymouse (154) 8 years ago

People should troll the various mainstream media website forums. I mean trolling as in making people follow that bait.

[-] 0 points by DSams (-71) 8 years ago

Good discussions and reasonable people.

[-] 0 points by WorldFreedom (62) 8 years ago

How many people are pushing this forum?

I have just left TheMultitude after posting several well thought out posts in support of the OWS Movement and Ethos, but the forum owner ended up being very disrespectful before finally calling me "a liar" in public.

A "liar" means not supporting his position, even though Itotally support the position of OWS.

TheMultitude is not representative of what OWS is about.

[-] 1 points by revg33k (429) from Woodstock, IL 8 years ago

thats your opinion, and you would not have been called out if you would have posted or sent info about your "credentials" you were trying to use to reinforce your point.

When somebody says they know about this stuff because they are a best selling author, and other people ask what the book title is, and the original person continuously doges giving an answer to that question.... people tend to think you're a lier.

Good attempt to spin the facts of the situation, but it falls short because calling you out as a lier had nothing to do with your viewpoints and everything to do with your shady childish actions.

A lot of people say they are a lot of things they are not on the Internet, probably because most of the time they can get away with it, so it is only natural that others would ask for proof.

on a side note: I am the person he is talking about here, but I am not the forum owner. That is "world freedom's" wrong assumption.

[-] 0 points by Cancelcurrency (72) from Anchorage, AK 8 years ago

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[-] 0 points by hannity2016 (-1) 8 years ago

equazcion is a queer fuckface

[-] 0 points by YrTheyCorrupt (0) from Des Moines, IA 8 years ago

Found a really cool website the explains allot of the history past and present behind our governments corruption and why it is happening. Includes 911 to current fedral reserve and many other related issues . Also lots of good Utube video's http://investigate911.org/

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 8 years ago

Damn those trolls to hell, damn them all.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Amen brother.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 8 years ago

I was channeling Charlton Heston from Planet of the Apes. Did you feel it? I am spent.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Yes I did get the reference, subtle as it was.

[-] 0 points by Wildcat682 (178) 8 years ago

Ahhh, so this movement is about Equality of only those who are in agreement with it. Sounds like the Nazi movement. Created during a time of economic depression. Pointed the finger at the "rich" Jews as the reason for their economic issues. Did not like dissenting speech, views, or opinions. Was all about redistributing the wealth....to the Aryans at least.

I've been called a troll on this forum already. Even when my comments were on topic; yet, still evoked an emotional response. Although those who are currently involved in the movement can make whatever off-topic, inflammatory remark they want, yet they are not considered trolls?

Wonder if I personally went down to the protest and voiced a dissenting view......Would those protesters in NYC also react the same way you are? Would THEY tell me to shut up and go away? If so, then they are not the voice of the 99%

If your movement is all about getting your way without wanting to hear those who agree with you.....well then FUCK your movement. If that's the way it is, then you just created a die-hard enemy of this movement.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

I'm not sure what they would do. You should go down and try.

"Although those who are currently involved in the movement can make whatever off-topic, inflammatory remark they want, yet they are not considered trolls?"

One analogy would be if a movement member walked into a Wall Street businessmen's club. The businessmen are making inflammatory remarks about the movement and, of course, are getting away with it. The movement member makes inflammatory remarks about the businessmen, and gets thrown out.

I doubt the businessmen would even let you make constructive opposing debates, but we let people do that.

Actual constructive debate from people who disagree with the movement is perfectly fine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) : "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

I take great pains in making this distinction.

[-] 1 points by Wildcat682 (178) 8 years ago

And what is considered constructive? And who determines what is constructive or destructive?

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

What I consider constructive is someone who doesn't post inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the blatant intent of provoking readers into an emotional response, or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

The mods decide, of whom I am one. We're essentially not doing anything this site doesn't do already. The mods just usually aren't here.

[-] 1 points by Wildcat682 (178) 8 years ago

That definition is too broad. It could apply to 99% of anything written. 99%....lol, that's funny.

[-] 2 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

No, it couldn't.

[-] 1 points by Wildcat682 (178) 8 years ago

Yes is could. Listen, when I first heard about this "movement" it was supposed to be about "corporate greed" and getting business out of politics. However, on this very site, written by protesters and protest supporters, I have heard everything from green energy, to some stuff coming down on Christians, to passing the DREAM act, to government run health care, government paid college, student loan bailouts, paying for things in kisses and hugs......WTF? At what point do any of those things relate to getting business out of politics or "corporate greed". In fact, all of those things are "Off Topic"

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Not off-topic in an inflammatory way, though. The movement doesn't have a clearly defined agenda to make things better, which is common knowledge. Everyone has their own ideas about that, and they'll be allowed to express them, so long as they're not merely trying to provoke others into a time-wasting exchange of animosity.

[-] 1 points by Wildcat682 (178) 8 years ago

Ahhh my dear equazcion, everything political is inflammatory. Why are they people protesting? Because they are inflamed about what is going on. They are inflamed at our federal government. I think the people are finally becoming disillusioned. Now, if only the protesters would actually READ the Constitution, they would find out HOW, and WHY our country is in the mess it is in.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Of course political discussions that begin with the best of intentions are inclined to become heated, though a "Just admit it, you're all [insert race/unpopular movement in history]" is a little different. Just as an example. You can generally tell who isn't here to share their genuine opinions and just wants to disrupt. Again, this forum already does this, so you're not just complaining about ours.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

PS. If you feel this way, you should leave this forum too. There are mods here making precisely the same determination. This is how forums operate. If you want something different, you could try 4chan.

[-] 1 points by Wildcat682 (178) 8 years ago

I actually came to this site when I learned of OWS to see if it would be a movement I was interested in; however, I have found only a few statements that I would even remotely agree to. Oddly enough, those few statements have to do directly with.....drum roll please........Getting business influence out of politics.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Getting business influence out of politics is one of the more common goals expressed by movement members, yes. If you have a problem with people being allowed to express ideas you judge to be off-topic for the movement, I can't really help ease your mind there. The movement isn't (yet) about focused reform methodology.

[-] 1 points by Wildcat682 (178) 8 years ago

I have no problem with them expressing ideas that I find insane. So long as that insanity does not spread like wildfire into some anything actionable.

[-] 1 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Well that's not really something I can speak for, partly because I don't know which "insane" ideas you're talking about. You're expressing concerns about too many ideas being allowed now rather than too few, so with that switch, I don't really have much to offer.

[-] 1 points by Wildcat682 (178) 8 years ago

An economy of hugs and kisses.....thats pretty insane

[-] 0 points by RichardGates (1529) 8 years ago

hey man you have to watch this, you'll love it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAuvD00D0RA

have a link to you on my blog.

[-] 0 points by Rob (881) 8 years ago

Then why don't you leave this forum already.

[-] 2 points by equazcion (688) from New York, NY 8 years ago

Working on it! Thanks for the bump, though. kiss