Forum Post: TheMultitude.org
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 17, 2011, 2:02 a.m. EST by equazcion
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The forum you are currently viewing no longer represents an accurate picture of the Occupy Wall Street movement.
(Many people, including bloggers, come here seeking insight into the OWS movement. Since this forum is currently overflowing with outright vandalism, what they get is far from an accurate picture, eg. http://dailypundit.com/?p=44608 .)
If you want to communicate constructively, or if you simply want to see what the movement is really about, please head to http://www.TheMultitude.org : a forum built by users here who were tired of its many vandals and technical limitations. If you like what you see, please register and tell a friend. Come get things done, and help build a better image for OWS at the same time.
TheMultitude.org is moderated and trolls are banned.
We're now at over 300 members and still growing steadily. A heartfelt thanks to everyone coming to participate. Let's continue lifting the Occupy movement's online operation into something useful.
Selected user comments:
MichaelFerrer: "If you want something that will actually work, go here and make it work. This isn't a game; don't stick around a place that treats it like one."
MattE: "Great site. Good people, a decided lack of trolls. Arguments and dissent are met with logic and polite, educated debate."
KulaFarmer2: "Follow the link to the multitude website, Civil people will be relieved that the crazy on the OWS website is not the representive base."
Jadith: "This site really has what is advertised."
Washington: "Will actually be able to carry on a discussion for more than 30 minutes or an hour, by topic, with no trolls."
Mike122333: "TheMultitude.org. Thank god!"
Just to pre-empt all the cries of "censorship" by the trolls (which they'll undoubtedly post here anyway, but hey I tried):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) : "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
Actual constructive debate from people who disagree with the movement is perfectly fine. Only trolls, as defined above, will be banned (same as they are here, when moderators are paying attention).
If you have any questions, please ask. Thanks.
"If I understand this movement's zeitgeist, there is no such thing as splintering, only appending." -- Mike122333
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php
If you want something that will actually work, go here and make it work. This isn't a game; don't stick around a place that treats it like one.
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php
This describes the issue really well. Hope you don't mind, I quoted you in the original post above.
We welcome your ideas to make it work better
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=348 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Republic-of-Olancho/149833091753264 www.republicofolancho.com
the subject categories have been cut
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Bumped! As many people as possible should go to
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php
To carry on the discussion without dissenting opinion.
Thanks for the info.
I agree! Though dissenting opinions are welcome, you cute little troll you.
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Totally agree with you, equazcion, "MikeyD" = long-outed TROLL. In one of his "brilliant posts", he was clamoring for "'naked chicks".
I have nothing against "themultitude". Like hundreds of others on THIS forum, I just want to know WHY the Forum Admins - and presumably Adbusters and OWS - have let this forum deteriorate to the point that it looks more like a ANTI-OWS HATE SITE than anything else.
Many of us have become convinced that the forum admins are in fact INFILTRATED:
"[-] GypsyKing 2 points 12 hours ago We, or at least I, have been demanding an answer to this question for at least a month now! Nobody here seems able to exercize control over this site, or otherwise to disaffiliate ourselves from it. I think the situation is outrageous and we need to get to the bottom of it. Personally, I have felt for a long time that this site has been infiltrated."
As my girfriend asked incredulously the other day : "OWS wants to take back the country, BUT CAN'T TAKE BACK ITS OWN FORUM???"
A user asked "Why aren't the OWS moderated against this Right Wing Garbage?" and her post garnered A WHOPPING 386 COMMENTS in less than 3 days... with nary a word from the forum admins.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-arent-the-ows-moderated-against-this-right-win/#comment-486764
Before I make the decision to switch another forum, I want to UNDERSTAND what the hell is going on in THIS forum, where the worst trolls never seem to get banned. I'm asking you because I trust you and because so far nobody in authority has bothered to give us the real dope about this sorry excuse for a forum.
Troll!? I certainly hope you aren't accusing me of trying to draw people away from the OWS forum to make a few bucks off of them, while at the same time splitting the crowd to make it seem smaller. I would never do that!
From "Who We Are" at TheMultitude.org:
*TheMultitude.org
TheMultitude.org is a place where the #OccupyWallStreet movement can come together and organize online; whether it be to organize their ideas, their plans, their information, or simply to support each other.
The idea for TheMultitude.org began as a group of users frequenting occupywallst.org's proprietary forum decided that a separately-run website, dedicated to organized communication, was needed. The founding users of TheMultitude.org firmly believe that a strong, organized online component of the movement will be an essential tool in helping the movement exercise its full potential.
This website is not a replacement for occupywallst.org. Rather, this site attempts to relieve the burden of public communication from that site and its organizers -- a function which they likely did not originally foresee growing to the degree it has.
TheMultitude.org is currently funded by its founders. If traffic eventually grows to the point that more resources are needed than we can provide, donated web space may be solicited from other organizations.
No one makes any money from this website, and we pledge that it will never be used that way.
We hope you find this site useful. Please feel free to share it.
If you have questions about this website, don't hesitate to post them in the Site Business section.
Thank you, TheMultitude.org*
Great site. Good people, a decided lack of trolls. Arguments and dissent are met with logic and polite, educated debate.
As far as censorship:
Yep. It's there. Trolls need not apply. A quick refresh on free speech: It's their house, their rules, their right to censor.
For example, if OWS has happening on my lawn (private property), I'd be within my rights to have them removed, as that's called trespassing.*
Same with multitude. If you're a troll, your not welcome. They kick you out.
Not a difficult concept.
*Dear OWS: I know your good people, but my lawn is far too small to hold all of you. Might I suggest Rupert Murdoch's lawn?
Help TheMultitude.org grow. Post a comment at http://occupywallst.org/forum/themultitudeorg/.
Might that apply to Zucotti Park?
Ziccoti park is private property. Just fyi
I support this and urge people who see the need for a better forum to have a look.
http://www.TheMultitude.org
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i agree
so do i
then we have an accord
I believe we do
ale and wenches to celebrate?
Nothing breeds fairness faster than visibility
Rand Redemocratist at Large ReOccupy Democracy http://www.autobuyology.org/car15.html Thank you for teaching http://www.autobuyology.org/thankyouforteaching.pdf Tell Car Makers to Make Cleaner-air Vehicles http://www.autobuyology.org/tellcarmakerstocleantheair.pdf
The forum is a great idea!
Good new OWS forum. Will actually be able to carry on a discussion for more than 30 minutes or an hour, by topic, with no trolls.
I hope that those interested will click and have a look. http://www.TheMultitude.org
The Demographics Of Occupy Wall Street
http://www.fastcompany.com/1789018/occupy-wall-street-demographics-statistics?partner=gnews
I am very pleased there is a more organized public forum
where people will be able to coordinate their thoughts on changing the world
TheMultitude is a much more organized and rational discussion area.
I support the notion of OWS moving a lot of the discussion there.
I have enjoyed the discussions at TheMulititude.org
i agree
TheMultitude.org: http://www.themultitude.org/forum/
A geithner of bankers look out their penthouse boardroom windows frightened
Word for a collection or group of bankers? Bevy? Bungle of bankers? Bushel? Brace, bustle, brash? A Clutch. A belch of bankers?
A geithner of bankers?
I like belch :) "A bevy of bankers" has a nice ring though hehe
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Good new OWS forum. Will actually be able to carry on a discussion for more than 30 minutes or an hour, by topic, with no trolls.
I hope that those interested will click and have a look. http://www.TheMultitude.org
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http://www.themultitude.org/forum/ for anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and focused discussion.
This forum is approaching unusable. When you eventually reach the point where you want to give up on this forum, please check out http://www.TheMultitude.org , built by users here who were tired of its many issues. If you like what you see, please register, tell a friend, and bump this post.
TheMultitude.org forum is moderated and trolls are banned. http://www.TheMultitude.org
Shutdown this forum and post a link to the new one. That will help with user migration.
This new forum is much better. Please switch over of you are serious about growing this on-line movement.
Newest Posts at http://www.TheMultitude.org (Just a copy of the list of newest. There are many more.
MoveOn.org Movement Hijacking?
Let's Discuss Direct Democracy
An INTENSE moment of TRUTH with MAINSTREAM Media
Parallel Government?
Message to OWS...
Radio Interview with OWS Protesters
Zeitgesit movement
Will Occupy break the banks this way?
Ben outflanks the financier guys
Hillary and Obama stand up for the protesters
Interesting topics.
Constructive debate.....not something you will find on this forum.
Good new OWS forum. Will actually be able to carry on a discussion for more than 30 minutes or an hour, by topic, with no trolls.
I hope that those interested will click and have a look. http://www.TheMultitude.org
http://www.TheMultitude.org
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http://www.themultitude.org/
Let's get corporate money and influence OUT of politics. Bring back democracy by the people, for the people.
Hey guys. I like the idea. I have been working on a forum that can help get rid of sockpuppets and trolls at openassembly, and we have etherpad for you to collaboratively edit.
http://www.openassembly.org
working on polling and more extensive moderation features, so check it out and add your ideas there. It will allow us to generate a manifesto as soon as we get enough people on board, there are advanced voting methods like the Schulze method being implemented. Working hard for the revolution here!
I checked out the openassembly.org website. I think its a great idea. I have also seen that they are using meetup.com to create local occupy teams/groups. Verification by real people is a must for open source participatory/direct democracy system. Please come to the forum to discuss these issues with others on how best to move forward and make this movement a success online and offline with the greatest possible reach and unite as much of the 99% as possible: http://www.themultitude.org/
It is an informative OWS companion forum.
Thanks
ok, check it out homie. i'm going to help you out. to get more users you need to google SEO and read google seo help section, not any other source. get with occupyr.com and see about a link exchange and i will list you on my blog as well. in short, you need to get links out, pointing at your domain, lots of them. you need to replace your site name in the header and the sites title (not domain name but <title>) with what you want to be associated with, in this case "occupy wallstreet" you need at least one page with a lengthy article using every term someone may use in a search, from both parties. in a day or two you will be on the first two pages of results. keep refining till you get first page. install the google ranking tool in your browser.
Don't they list you as one of their "trolls"? I swear. All this complaining about trolls. Trolls. Trolls. Trolls. I am soooooooo sick of it. I have been to the Multitude, and if you like PTA meetings, then go. But boring. This forum is more like a punk rock show. Everyone says their mind. No limitations. If you want to tell someone to fuck off you can. This is where the true debate and movement is. In it's raw, ugly forum. So all you whining puddles go to your PTA meeting while those with heart and spine can hammer out the true messy debates here.
And I am a big fan, RichardGates. Keep it up.
lol I'm hooked on the insanity that is this forum
Thanks for the tips :)
We do need a better forum than this one...It is to hard here to have a discussion as a group which is what we should be doing instead of back and forth between two people basically.
Oh and bump.
For anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and discussion.
An #OccupyWallStreet Companion Forum
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/
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http://www.themultitude.org/
Let's get corporate money and influence OUT of politics. Bring back democracy by the people, for the people.
Hasn't been bumped in a while.
Any site will have such problems as it scales, unless there's a more complete voting model. It does no good to splinter and faction the movement away from the official site. Instead, make the official site better.
For solution to the scaling problem, email me.
GeorgeCarlinRules 1 points 2 days ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
That's better
Ditto. I'm no Rico at themultitude.org
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I have moved the better part of my activity to themultitude, and I can tell you that it is a far better moderated, far better organized, far better network of real communication than this forum. Please, please, all serious occupiers move to themultitude so we can do constructive work together, rather then just become confused and frustrated here.
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Yeah, this is the place to go.
Yeah, this is the place to go.
There is simply no question that this post should be re-posted.
There is simply no question that this topic is worth re-posting.
This is well worth re-posting
Absolutely true.
Absolutely true.
absolutely true.
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php This is a great virtual general assembly for those scattered around the country, and it is very organized for finding discussions, and for voting on ideas.
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There is constructive conversation there. Go there if you really want to do something to cause a change.
It could have been here but the noise to content ratio is way too high here.
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http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php
Join some actually intelligent discussions!
oops, I bumped it again
Thanks for starting TheMultitude. As much as I like this raving kaleidoscope of opinion and distraction, I do like to have a place where serious discussion is possible too.
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Thanks.
Bump.
May I second MattE's comment: "Great site. Good people, a decided lack of trolls. Arguments and dissent are met with logic and polite, educated debate."
check it multitude for additional discussions.
What do you think about this, another member just posted it. http://www.osixs.org/Rev2_menu_intro.aspx
But switching to TheMultitude.org the
Usability of that forum
Might just
Prosper and grow
thanks
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Davitch warned me about this. But I sense no harm in your intent. Maia.
Alright, I made the switch.
Will probably be posting in both forums. This one still has a couple of folks I like.
I'm thinkin' about moving my OWS online self over there. Inertia is preventing me. Is it a backwater?
If anything I'd say you're in the backwater here :) This place really bears little resemblance to the movement. It's more a 4chan for politics (and often not even that). It's probably best to check out themultitude and judge for yourself though, you can browse the threads without registering.
They are right you know.
why not just change the forum on this site. this is the one that gets quoted in the news.
How many people are pushing this forum?
I have just left TheMultitude after posting several well thought out posts in support of the OWS Movement and Ethos, but the forum owner ended up being very disrespectful before finally calling me "a liar" in public.
A "liar" means not supporting his position, even though Itotally support the position of OWS.
TheMultitude is not representative of what OWS is about.
The person you were arguing with wasn't the admin. He was a mod; and he wasn't moderating the thread, as in, threatening to delete your posts. He was just arguing with you about the topic. Political debates become heated sometimes, and just because mods get involved in the heat of the moment as everyone else does, that doesn't mean he's acting on the site's behalf; just a regular participant in the discussion.
Here's the post, for context: http://www.themultitude.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2050&sid=50a0c0fc7042c261a2ffbead42280bda#p2050
I had suggested removing the mod label display from mods who planned to argue politics using their mod accounts, so people wouldn't incorrectly assume they were speaking "as a mod" at all times, but some mods didn't care for the idea. I'll take another look at this.
You need to make sure people do not get SICK!
Because when the wind, rain, and snow come, they will begin to drift away...and so will your support. And if you haven't built that base of cyber warriors willing to fight on with you from afar, your cause will be lost in the howling of the winter winds. And what began as a howl will die with a shivering whimper.
TheMultitude.org http://www.TheMultitude.org
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i agree
Same dialog, far better user experience.
i am pleased to see this alternative taking off. good job. I hope you will join the wiki, and it would be awesome to have threads from your forums copied into the wiki where such threads are useful and meaningful in the general sense this will create some organization.
quid pro quo... come visit me i come visit u.
:) http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
These got dropped at TheMultitude:
You guys might want to communicate and either mirror content or redirect all your domain names to a single site, or join forces some other way. All three are MediaWiki-based, so sharing/migrating shouldn't be difficult.
thanks, will definitely bear those in mind to collaborate.
We Are The 99 Percent: http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
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awesome, hers'e my 2 cents;
Here's how we can easily Reform Wall Street: Take away their powers "Once Again." And a Million People March to Capitol Hill will help get it done!
For example, "We are here Congress because we want you to REINSTATE the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp#axzz1aPEc3wX which was created to help save our country from the Great Depression by preventing investment companies, banks, and insurance companies from merging and becoming large brokerage firms; instead of just being Banks and Insurance companies -- Congress why can't you learn a history lesson from 1929? It doesn't work. Btw, why did most of you vote for most of it's repeal in 1999? http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/19/shattering-the-glass-steagall-act (2nd story here)
Think about where we are now, it all started in 1999 with lawmakers like Senator Phil Gramm who helped create legal gambling casinos for our banks: CNN's The Ten Most Responsible for Economy Collapse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOxr2wBZQ&feature=related
Furthermore, we also want you to CHANGE the Commodities Future Modernization Act of 2000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000 BACK to where it was before 2000, which since has deregulated energy markets and consequently allowed for such scams as The Enron Loophole; whereas in the early 2000's Enron Corp. was charging 250 bucks plus for a kilowatt hour...They all when to jail for this. But, the Enron loophole is still not closed, for example, allowing speculators to resell barrels of oil over and over again before it reaches the gas station owner. It's basically legal gambling at our expense. What were those lawmakers thinking then? What are you thinking now? Either do the right thing, or you're part of the 1%."
So why are oil prices high? The Enron Loophole. Former head of U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission speaks to Congress on the high price of oil--and he's not happy about energy deregulations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTGYQBMU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNp0y0SjOkY&feature=related
Rolling Stones Reporter: Truth about Goldman Sachs--how they have cornered the markets--basically, The Enron Loophole and the shattering of Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waL5UxScgUw
Let's get focused and bring back The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, they got it right 1933, we don't need to REINVENT the wheel because bringing this Act back will help create an even playing field once again....and let's finally Close the Enron Loophole, which allowed Enron to charge what they wanted for energy; they went to jail for this; but no one closed the loophole, why? Re-election Monies from the big brokerage firms and oil companies! The writing is on the wall.
Let's get organized and reinstate these critical financial reforms by a Million People March to Capitol Hill!
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One question though. There are people on the multitude forum saying the are "Occupy Wherever", @OccupyWherever. And speaking for that particular group. Are you able to validate OWS users? How? Thank-you.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you clarify? If you could copy and paste an example of the kind of statement you're referring to it would help. Thanks.
Love the multitude forum. Am on a lot of boards that use this layout, but are not moderated. Really like that this forum would be. Thanks!
No trolls, but constructive discussion. It's worth moving for anyone who really cares.
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I'm confused... There is:
http://multitudeproject.blogspot.com/2011/10/what-are-occupation-camps.html
http://groups.google.com/group/multitudeproject
...and:
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/
Are these all related?
Also, assuming this is you, I re-posted an excerpt and link to your article on emerging cities:
http://metapolitik.org/blog/protests-as-emerging-cities
themultitude.org is not affiliated with "multitude project". This is actually the first I've heard about those.
Sorry to be the bearer of competitive news.
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http://www.themultitude.org/forum/ for anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and focused discussion.
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Thank you for creating an organized forum.
The problem is many forums ban you for disagreeing with them. Case in point, I have been banned about seven times from Democratic Underground, probably because I bash dems.
I agree, this forum is insane. I'll check out your site, because it's what's needed.
the only thing. This is the site for the movement, so I don't think we can just disregard it all together.
I'll check it out. I've been on this forum trying to get involved with the discussion but am being told, "Go to OWS in person, this is not representative of what is really taking place." Well, for those of us unable to attend the GA due to professional and personal limitations -- or geographical ones -- not everyone is near an Occupy hub! -- there must be a way to participate in the discussion, and online is a great forum.
That said, what is your definition of troll on the Multitude site? I'll check it out, but I hope you're not banning conversation because you don't agree w/someone's point of view. I hope I visit the site and find people willing to look beyond "demonizing the rich" and I hope if I make a statement like that, people don't roar, "What are you, the 1%?" I hope I can talk about the symbolism of OWS without people censoring me for being a skeptic. I'm an idealistic skeptic, though. :)
As stated in the original post above, dissenting opinions are welcome.
Trolls are defined as follows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) : "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
I know how it is defined. Just hoping the experience allows real discussion and critique. I've had or have witnessed negative experiences to date in these forums when critiques are brought forth. Glad to see another forum is coming out --
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The power of the troll lies in the power of the forum. To ban them is to prove tyrannical, and it is only a matter of time before you ban those comments you just don't like. Trolls provide a valuable service. The only half-decent mechanism is group moderation. The best forums in the world allow all comments and remove none, the user can decide. I hate racist troll remarks just as much as anyone, but the should be left alone.
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To anyone interested in strengthening the OWS movement I recommend TheMultitude.org as a complimentary venue for information and focused discussion.
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/
That forum sucks, using the official ows forum helps boost google index rating of this site, hence bringing in more visitors. Also Code is opensource they can make fixes and upgrades on the fly. Just need to get these hippies motivated!
They are as motivated as can be, which is why they rightly prioritize the street movement over the online portion. I believe the online arm could be a great benefit, but the physical street movement does deserve the priority. TheMultitude.org uses all open-source code as well.
Doin the bump, even in the darkest of times one must only remember to turn on the light!
Follow the link to the multitude website, Civil people will be relieved that the crazy on the OWS website is not the representive base.
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Perfect!! See you there
This forum is approaching unusable. When you're ready to give up on it, please check out http://www.TheMultitude.org , a forum built by users here who were tired of its many issues. If you like what you see, please register, tell a friend, and bump this post.
TheMultitude.org is moderated and trolls are banned.
As put exceptionally well by user MichaelFerrer below: "If you want something that will actually work, go here and make it work. This isn't a game; don't stick around a place that treats it like one."
Just to pre-empt all the cries of "censorship" by the trolls (which they'll undoubtedly post here anyway, but hey I tried):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) : "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
Actual constructive debate from people who disagree with the movement is perfectly fine. Only trolls, as defined above, will be banned (same as they are here, when moderators are paying attention).
If you have any questions, please ask. Thanks.
"If I understand this movement's zeitgeist, there is no such thing as splintering, only appending." -- Mike122333
Good site. Go look for yourself. http://www.TheMultitude.org
Lets Build It Together ! History is still being written . . . We are I T
For The Love of God , We are the Art . . .
http://www.wikioccupywallst.org
Wiki Occupy
Now is the Time
Liberty Eternal
TheMultitide.org
Thank God!
i agree
Bumped! So that people have a chance to click and see for themselves if they want to read and or post there.
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/index.php
TheMultitude.org: http://www.themultitude.org/forum/
Again, thanks for the link. Great forum!
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http://occupywallst.org/forum/demands-propaganda-forum-movement-politics/
The forum is a great idea!
I agree.
An #OccupyWallStreet Companion Forum
http://www.themultitude.org/forum/
themultitude is a much better forum.
Well, it does feel like an echo chamber. But I'm not sure if that's better or worse than this.
i'm seeing a bit of heat. but any lack of conflicting views is due to the relatively low membership we have there as opposed to here right now. no one who's attempted to speak has been silenced.
Oh, I don't know. I've already come to associate your forum with the phrase, "perhaps it is better to refrain from such rhetoric." Only because it comes from a mod. Gives me the squints.
I'm PMing you in the forum. I'd like to see those posts if you wouldn't mind directing me to them.
here's a bump. This site really has what is advertised.
TheMultitude.org: http://www.themultitude.org/forum/
Agreed ... bump
Bump again.
Thanks :)
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yea 100 comments
Milestone :)
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Oh dealbreaker. I'm not into new forums that require my email address to be verified and I promise plenty of other OWS people will feel the same.
Can you remove this?
No, unfortunately that's one of the troll-control methods. The forum we're in now requires an email address too, though perhaps not verified. I don't see how verification alone would be off-putting, unless you planned to put in a fake one, the allowance of which would defeat the purpose.
Joined and bump.
Good point, i agree
Why thank you... bump.
oh you are most welcome :D
Ok I just had a peek and one huge, huge error in starting a forum stands out: Too many subforums.
You need to make it one forum at first with extremely simplified registration process. Expand into subforums as you need them, not before.
When someone links to the forum it should immediate list the threads, like it does here.
I've heard suggestions going both ways on this. Until yesterday there were only about 5 subforums, but things seemed a little too chaotic and hard to find, somewhat like what this forum became. So we made a judgment call. We don't mind if some subforums look a bit scant for a while. Scroll to the bottom of the homepage to see the latest post list, if you don't want to click around the various subforums.
The problem is that it's hard to keep people coming back or to get them participating in a new forum with a lot of subforums. I'm sure it can be done, but I've been around on forums for a long time and the most successful always start small and expand as needed.
I'll keep an eye and participate on the forum but if it's slow to pickup I would consider dropping it to 1-3 subforums to start. It keeps everyones attention in one spot until there is enough content to draw it elsewhere, and it doesn't seem like such a ghosttown to new visitors.
Get Google Analytics up and running so you can see how long new visitors stick around.
I'll say too that the content there is amazing compared with this forum, the challenge is getting it to catch on.
You could be right. We can always make changes as we see a need. The forum is young and I'm sure it'll evolve a lot as it goes.
This forum is fuckin BABYLON!!!!!
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Your call. But thanks.
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That's true. There is no perfect system, unfortunately.
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Go this new site so we can continue these discussions in an organized fashion without those that are not supportive.
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http://www.themultitude.org/
Another good one :)
Isn't bumping fun?
That's what my prom date said! I mean... bump!
I know I sure like it :)
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Thanks for the link!
Hey look, a forum that isn't spammed with right-wing Fox News bullshit every 5 minutes? Awesome!
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still haven't broken 300 huh?
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Troll free and indepth discussion and debate...
If the disorganized nature of this forum frustrates you, then try theMultitude.org -- we are focused on productive debate, not name calling, in an effort to move forward.
People should troll the various mainstream media website forums. I mean trolling as in making people follow that bait.
Good discussions and reasonable people.
How many people are pushing this forum?
I have just left TheMultitude after posting several well thought out posts in support of the OWS Movement and Ethos, but the forum owner ended up being very disrespectful before finally calling me "a liar" in public.
A "liar" means not supporting his position, even though Itotally support the position of OWS.
TheMultitude is not representative of what OWS is about.
thats your opinion, and you would not have been called out if you would have posted or sent info about your "credentials" you were trying to use to reinforce your point.
When somebody says they know about this stuff because they are a best selling author, and other people ask what the book title is, and the original person continuously doges giving an answer to that question.... people tend to think you're a lier.
Good attempt to spin the facts of the situation, but it falls short because calling you out as a lier had nothing to do with your viewpoints and everything to do with your shady childish actions.
A lot of people say they are a lot of things they are not on the Internet, probably because most of the time they can get away with it, so it is only natural that others would ask for proof.
on a side note: I am the person he is talking about here, but I am not the forum owner. That is "world freedom's" wrong assumption.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
equazcion is a queer fuckface
Found a really cool website the explains allot of the history past and present behind our governments corruption and why it is happening. Includes 911 to current fedral reserve and many other related issues . Also lots of good Utube video's http://investigate911.org/
Damn those trolls to hell, damn them all.
Amen brother.
I was channeling Charlton Heston from Planet of the Apes. Did you feel it? I am spent.
Yes I did get the reference, subtle as it was.
Ahhh, so this movement is about Equality of only those who are in agreement with it. Sounds like the Nazi movement. Created during a time of economic depression. Pointed the finger at the "rich" Jews as the reason for their economic issues. Did not like dissenting speech, views, or opinions. Was all about redistributing the wealth....to the Aryans at least.
I've been called a troll on this forum already. Even when my comments were on topic; yet, still evoked an emotional response. Although those who are currently involved in the movement can make whatever off-topic, inflammatory remark they want, yet they are not considered trolls?
Wonder if I personally went down to the protest and voiced a dissenting view......Would those protesters in NYC also react the same way you are? Would THEY tell me to shut up and go away? If so, then they are not the voice of the 99%
If your movement is all about getting your way without wanting to hear those who agree with you.....well then FUCK your movement. If that's the way it is, then you just created a die-hard enemy of this movement.
I'm not sure what they would do. You should go down and try.
"Although those who are currently involved in the movement can make whatever off-topic, inflammatory remark they want, yet they are not considered trolls?"
One analogy would be if a movement member walked into a Wall Street businessmen's club. The businessmen are making inflammatory remarks about the movement and, of course, are getting away with it. The movement member makes inflammatory remarks about the businessmen, and gets thrown out.
I doubt the businessmen would even let you make constructive opposing debates, but we let people do that.
Actual constructive debate from people who disagree with the movement is perfectly fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) : "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
I take great pains in making this distinction.
And what is considered constructive? And who determines what is constructive or destructive?
What I consider constructive is someone who doesn't post inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the blatant intent of provoking readers into an emotional response, or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
The mods decide, of whom I am one. We're essentially not doing anything this site doesn't do already. The mods just usually aren't here.
That definition is too broad. It could apply to 99% of anything written. 99%....lol, that's funny.
No, it couldn't.
Yes is could. Listen, when I first heard about this "movement" it was supposed to be about "corporate greed" and getting business out of politics. However, on this very site, written by protesters and protest supporters, I have heard everything from green energy, to some stuff coming down on Christians, to passing the DREAM act, to government run health care, government paid college, student loan bailouts, paying for things in kisses and hugs......WTF? At what point do any of those things relate to getting business out of politics or "corporate greed". In fact, all of those things are "Off Topic"
Not off-topic in an inflammatory way, though. The movement doesn't have a clearly defined agenda to make things better, which is common knowledge. Everyone has their own ideas about that, and they'll be allowed to express them, so long as they're not merely trying to provoke others into a time-wasting exchange of animosity.
Ahhh my dear equazcion, everything political is inflammatory. Why are they people protesting? Because they are inflamed about what is going on. They are inflamed at our federal government. I think the people are finally becoming disillusioned. Now, if only the protesters would actually READ the Constitution, they would find out HOW, and WHY our country is in the mess it is in.
Of course political discussions that begin with the best of intentions are inclined to become heated, though a "Just admit it, you're all [insert race/unpopular movement in history]" is a little different. Just as an example. You can generally tell who isn't here to share their genuine opinions and just wants to disrupt. Again, this forum already does this, so you're not just complaining about ours.
PS. If you feel this way, you should leave this forum too. There are mods here making precisely the same determination. This is how forums operate. If you want something different, you could try 4chan.
I actually came to this site when I learned of OWS to see if it would be a movement I was interested in; however, I have found only a few statements that I would even remotely agree to. Oddly enough, those few statements have to do directly with.....drum roll please........Getting business influence out of politics.
Getting business influence out of politics is one of the more common goals expressed by movement members, yes. If you have a problem with people being allowed to express ideas you judge to be off-topic for the movement, I can't really help ease your mind there. The movement isn't (yet) about focused reform methodology.
I have no problem with them expressing ideas that I find insane. So long as that insanity does not spread like wildfire into some anything actionable.
Well that's not really something I can speak for, partly because I don't know which "insane" ideas you're talking about. You're expressing concerns about too many ideas being allowed now rather than too few, so with that switch, I don't really have much to offer.
An economy of hugs and kisses.....thats pretty insane
hey man you have to watch this, you'll love it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAuvD00D0RA
have a link to you on my blog.
Then why don't you leave this forum already.
Working on it! Thanks for the bump, though. kiss