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Forum Post: "The working men have no country."

Posted 2 years ago on June 28, 2012, 2:21 a.m. EST by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV
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In an earlier exchange with another nameless party, the poster insisted border and national sovereignty were absolutely necessary for some unknown and yet unexplained reason. The respondent went so far as admonish me that the ideas of Karl Marx had no place in these here sacred United States.

The title of this post comes from The Communist Manifesto by none other than my rival's villain. Ah, yes, but Marx's next sentence explains, "We cannot take from them [the workers] what they have not got." As long as workers are exploited, they have no country, they have only one another. And to succeed in wresting power from the 1%, they must concentrate only on uniting regardless of gender, of borders, of culture, of whatever separates them.

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[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Living within a corporate-controlled estate, where you can be arrested and incarcerated on a whim, without charges, without a chance at representation in a court of law, and without any possibility of release, I can see only violent revolution as the breaker of the impasse.

Perhaps the oligarchs really want violent revolution, so they can wipe out as many people as possible, with the blame falling squarely upon those who choose revolution.

This scenario is getting worse by the day. Can anyone else see that?

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2959) 2 years ago

Yes we are out here - the "Noblemen" / Monopolies are paying the "Lords and Kings" / our Government to use us for their own gain and take away our ability to sustain ourselves - how did people throughout history address this problem? I don't think they sang songs and made cutsie signs.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

From what I've read, the idustrial age oligarchs had to get laws passed to stop their future workforce from being self-sufficient. Places where you could trap or shoot or fish were fenced off, and what used to be called "feeding your family" was then classed as poaching, and punishable with incarceration.

This was done, simply to force people to work in the factories. Remembering that the start of the industrial age is very recent history.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I hope not to see violent revolution; I live here.

You could be right. The ruling class may hope for revolution, but the outcome of such an uprising cannot be predicted. Major insurrection in the nation with the world's largest economy may spread like a wildfire across all borders and finally realize Marx's prediction of a global proletarian victory.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

I hope it doesn't get violent either, but look at the kind of military-style action when some peaceful street protests took place.

The president needs to be constantly reminded that he said he would put on his comfortable shoes and march with the people. Oh, but that was an election promise back in 2007, so it was just a throwaway line.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Reminding a politician of a promise is like fishing without a hook: not likely to accomplish much but waste one's time.

The workers can win, if they convince the police and armed forces to change sides. It has happened before: the Canut Revolts, the successful establishment of the Paris Commune, the Cuban revolution. The effort should be on educating the workers and the enforcement arm of the ruling class.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2959) 2 years ago

Can't do that now - they are paid too much (why is that?) guess it keeps them in line and from feeling any sympathy for us peasants

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Money buys loyalty, but only to a point.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Yes, and the internet is where that education is happening fastest.

Fingers crossed that it stays free of censorship for long enough.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

All governments, even "democratic" ones are rapidly shutting down free communications. They probably realize the danger.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

I couldn't access this forum for about a month, and assumed it was shut down, but apparently it was just from my end. I switched from a mobile dongle, to a fixed line router, and I'm back in again.

Also believe that both my email accounts have been hacked, as well as my ebay/paypal accounts.

I recall that there is a way to access the internet remotely without having to pay, or use anyone's server to access it. I'll look into it again, when I get a chance.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Malicious hackers are worse than village idiots, which we have plenty of on this forum, though I will leave them nameless. Suffice it to say, they (the village idiots) defend an America that has never existed except in their minds and the propaganda of the wealthy elite.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22254) 2 years ago

We're humans first. Borders are phony man-made constructs that created the "nation state," one of the most divisive inventions in human history.

Anyone interested in this topic of how phony our borders are should read Benedict Anderson's "Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism."

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2959) 2 years ago

and Women

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

The problem with Marx is his vagueness. The word "united" as he uses it above is a vague term, and it he constantly speaks of "exploitation" instead of "opportunity". For example, opportunity is how you can work 75% less (or have 75% more free time) while also having 75% more luxury (equaling the upper 1%), as follows:

We the peoples, in order to secure Freedom and Justice for All, do enact this Constitution for Strategic International Systems LLC (or SIS LLC) as summarized in the following Business Operations Forecast:

The customer value mission of SIS LLC is (1) to organize all customer-investors into 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties), and related internet investment legislatures of 50,000 friends (or virtual towns), requiring (2) a $20 weekly capital contribution for 1 year (or $1,000) to (3) create your investment club bank of 50,000 friends (or physical town) -- that is, having $50 million in initial assets -- which (4) due to the operation of today’s fractional banking system becomes (5) $500 million in new annual business loans (or $10,000 in new annual individual loans, plus $10,000 more credit every year) from yourself as a new bank officer to yourself as a new business officer who (6) takes 75% employee business control as business officer-investors and 25% customer business control as bank officer-investors of (7) your specific 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account wherein (8) your investor voting power equals (9) your 1 of 12 levels of experience in (10) your 1 of 12 sectors in 1 of 50 industries in 1 of 200 occupations in 1 of 3,000 specialities which (11) votes-upon your purchasing (or investment) orders as (12) proposed by your employee-elected chain of command.

This means you will have 75% employee business control over your workplace as business officers and, as bank officers, 25% customer business control over all 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account. In turn, with this 100% town-level business control of your 3,000 workplaces, you can decrease your 12 customer consumption expenses by 75% for services, vehicles, education, retail, food, construction, technology, manufacturing, wholesale, health, justice, and banking expenses; that is, over your first 12 years of SIS LLC membership using a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and related 3,000 workplace designs (herein). Furthermore, while creating your new town & workplace design as described by this constitution, you will replace today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, with your new small investment club banks, and related small investments (or businesses), as proposed, financed, and patronized by your 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties) in your internet investment legislature of 50,000 friends (or virtual town).

Why? First, because today’s executive business income (mostly from bank or financial asset income) is 33% of all income which is a huge amount of upper 1% income to split among yourselves as new bank officers having 25% customer business control, right? Second, because today’s executive business wealth is 42% of all wealth which is a huge amount of upper 1% wealth to split among yourselves as new business officers having 75% employee business control; that is, only after becoming new bank officers (above) first, right?

For example, this means if you earn $12/hour today, then you will earn $36/hour tomorrow after adding (1) your old wage income, plus (2) your 33% (more and new) interest income as a new bank officer, plus (3) your 42% (more and new) dividend & gain income as a new business officer. Together, these 4 sources of wealth & income from your specific 12 investments (or businesses) will double your net worth every 6-12 years (until retirement); that is, from the compound interest decline of today's upper 1% executives whom you will replace as the new bank & business investor-officers. So, with this power, let’s end today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, okay? How? By helping to operate your own Business Operations Forecast (above) at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ , and related NextDoor.com; so help us help you, and join today!

You won't understand the above summary unless you read and think about, repeatedly, the entire new constitution at: https://docs.google.com/a/strategicinternationalsystems.com/document/pub?id=1mKKLMTIyvRCLK2ppPj_GDjdieCvJnATaZaCmlajubWU