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Forum Post: The war with America was won before the first shot was fired.

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 12, 2011, 3:03 p.m. EST by OneMansOpinion (76)
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This could be the news if America does not wake up to the realities of the world today.

Global competition is a tool used by Anti American countries to wage an economic war against America. These countries have "closed economic systems" that don't play by the same rules as western countries.

They can print as much money as they want.

  • Labor costs nothing since its bought with the printed money.
  • Resources cost nothing since they are bought with printed money.
  • Technology costs nothing since western countries have outsourced it willingly to get cheap labor.

The vast majority of consumer goods are now made in China. To fuel the growth China takes the revenue from the vast goods exported to buy resources around the world.

Enters the "China Investment Corporation". The China Investment Corporation was established with the intent of utilizing these reserves for the benefit of the state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Investment_Corporation

The unfair advantage in acquiring resources is carefully engineered.

"The low cost of capital of CIC leads to contentions that its investments are effectively subsidized by the Chinese government therefore creating an unfair advantage for CIC versus others seeking to compete for the same acquisition targets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Investment_Corporation

This is not free enterprise, the purchases are always well thought out strategic purchases.

This allows China to trade goods for foreign currencies and then invest these currencies in resources globally to fuel their strategic objectives.

China is counting on the greed of their more than capable army of industrialists willing to partner with any Western business. Every one of these partnerships has ended in disaster. But the Chinese would have us believe that these individual investment disasters are isolated incidences of personal greed by Chinese profit takes.

However, this is a contrived methodology of partnership failure that ends in the Western company transferring technology and skills. Eventually these rebranded products will compete for sale globally on store shelves.

As much as China plays the capitalist role, the real goal is destabilization of competitive world economies with a future eye to economic and military superiority.

The thinking is that a economically collapsed America will no longer be able to project itself militarily because it will simple not be able to afford to do so.

Lets be clear. The economic collapse has been engineered in the war rooms of Americas enemies. This imbalance of trade and the willingness for China to loan more and more money is a clear methodical tactic.

To ensure that other countries can not change this balance of trade all foreign goods sold in China have a 30%+ import tax.

The good news is that there is a simple solution to this crisis.

  1. Insist that the government legislation country of origin labels on products. If 1% of the product is made overseas then it must be labeled foreign with the appropriate flag.

  2. After this is done American consumers must vote with their dollars.

  3. Spread the word and make it socially unacceptable to buy from countries that are not solid allies of America.

  4. Encourage your Government to create free trade deals with its Allies and make membership impossible for countries that would sell technology outside of these alliances.

The rest of the world is lining up against America. In a recent meeting of the SCO "Shanghai Cooperation Organisation" which includes member states of China, Russia, and several other former Soviet satellite nations voted to add Iran and Pakistan.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/288792/pakistan-seeks-full-member-status-in-shanghai-grouping/

China stated gaols of the SCO are a counterbalance to NATO for security (militarily) and economic trade.

These two goals in China's mind are the same. The lines are drawn amongst America's enemies while American businesses continue to transfer technology and skills blindly to the east.

Wake up America! Otherwise the war will be over without a single shot fired.

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[-] 2 points by shooz (17795) 2 years ago

China has become the corporation, the corporation has become China, and China, by proxy, has some level of control, over all corporations, both production and financial, that operate within it's borders.

A new kind of fascism, born out of communism.

Be afraid, be very afraid. It appears our corporations have already sold us out

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

Yes they have. I heard a story about Alaska salmon that are caught in Alaska gutted, frozen shipped to China processed de-boned frozen then shipped to the USA for sale in your local super market. These are not labeled with anything saying China.

True story

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

I think they sold their souls first

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Ah, so now the enemy is China, not the 1% of criminals here in America. I get ya!

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

Read the labels on your clothes right now. Did you sew it yourself? Did you neighbor get paid to make it?

Apparently you don't know were the $100+ went to cloth you. Hmmmm. Your right its the rich that forced you to buy your outsourced stuff.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

No, they just shipped the factory to China to exploit cheap labor to sell it back to us at huge profits that they hid in Switzerland, and told us to go to hell.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

Finally! Yes. You are right but I am ashamed to say that you vote for change every time you take your wallet out of your pants.

Next time will you can screw that thief in Switzerland and not buy his cheap crap.

Next time you buy something send him a message! Not your money!

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

In a free market that would be true, nice try,

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

I am not talking about "The market" or "The Man"

I am taking about helping your brother or sister because they need your help.

We need to put faces to the consequences of what we do with our money. Likely you don't have a friend that works in a factory so I can't put a face on this idea but maybe you used to know someone who worked in a factory.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Fine, I'm all ears, go ahead then.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

Until we can get country of origin labels tightened so that we can make the Right choice.

Do the following and encourage others.

  • Buy American even if its a couple dollars more.
  • Spread the word. If this movement only did one thing. Keeping American dollars in America then we would solve our current crisis.

This grass roots movement can make a change one person at a time and one dollar at a time.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

That is one thing of real value, finding things that can be done NOW! You got my support. I think a credit card burning day would also be very powerful, and a uniting jesture. What are your thoughts?

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

I agree that a credit card burning day would be a very powerful message and allow you to get media coverage on a very real message that American's could embrace.

I could create a website to support it.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Wow, you're the man!

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I do not doubt for one minute that what you say about China may in fact be true.

This does not change the fact that America's greatest enemies come from within. Our economic collapse began with the sub-prime market; recent spikes in the cost of a barrel of oil combined with repelican intransigence and brinkmanship over our debt ceiling has clearly threatened the prospect of a double dip recession.

Never once under the Bush administration was it ever considered that we should deal decisively with our debt issues - debt issues which at that time were largely confined to the additional costs of war.

These issues are not China's doing. They are ours.

[-] 2 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

Everything you said is true including enemies within - namely the worst enemy called apathy and indifference in the shops of America. The collapse happened because too many people could not pay their debts. They couldn't pay their debts because of rampant downsizing/loss of jobs due to faltering economy. The economy was faltering because 1 million people saved $0.50 on a hammer made overseas. The choice to move the plant overseas. - Global competition ... ultimately a mixture of greed and coercion.

What we fail to reason is that its the result of well thought out tactical plan.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Actually 60 Minutes ran two very good pieces on the sub-prime market and stock derivatives.

The sub-prime mess is a bit complicated - but it begins with some bankers system of belief - that a) some people (lower income, often minorities) should simply not own homes; and b) the federal government has no business regulating their business.

Due to regulation, banks are scored on the basis of how well they serve lower income neighborhoods - essentially incentivizing loan schemes to individuals whose income is less than middle class.

Most recent schemes involved a complicated process of loans whose interest rate - payable by the borrower the first few years - balloons to upwards of 13%.

It was plainly evident on the basis of income statements that such interest rates simply were not feasible. But because these were 'incentivized loans' these rates were justified.

To make it all work, they paid off the borrower, by lending them 2 or 3 points more than they needed to purchase the house - in some cases in excess of the value of the home itself.

The person writing the loan was often encouraged to lie to the borrower, assuring them this loan would be fine. They were also encouraged to commit fraud with respect to the required income research and paperwork. For this, the person writing the loan was offered a bonus.

All of these loans were no more than worthless paper. The bank had no intention of hanging on to worthless paper, instead they bundled it and sold it

worldwide.

They very successfully sabotaged our entire, global, economic system.

And it appears they are on the verge of getting away with it.

Now you tell me how, exactly, are we to project power

when tax revenue has fallen as drastically as it has

thanks to unscrupulous lending practice?

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Yes, I'm afraid you are both right

And it began 12 years ago, when congress repealed glass-stegall act and also 'liberalized' trade with china then as well.

The glass-stegall act had to be repealed so that banks could play financial games, whilst the 'real' economy was hollowed out.

This was the point all along, the illusion of prosperity, while average folks wages were cut. This ponzi scheme could only last for so long, which the bankers knew, and prepaired for.

This isn't conspiracy stuff, it's written all across their internal memoes where they point out the certainty that their bonds would implode. They also worried that driving down wages too fast would wake the populace up.

But, now, 12 years later, they talk openly about how Americans have to accept lower wages to be 'globally' competitive. This was not how it was sold. Americans back then were told trade would lift our wages.

But bankers and multinational corps. have had 12 years to get americans used to the Idea of lower wages & also no benefit's. The one thing they didn't count on was China playing along, until the red dragon could capitalize on a hollowed out America. The bankers and multi-corps didn't figure china's leaders were just as greedy at heart as them , that they wouldn't always share the pie, that was illgotten from american people, through lies and Illusion.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

All very true! but ...

The government bailed out the banks. People don't loose jobs if they loose their homes (At least not directly). But they do loose their homes if they loose their jobs.

When the jobless rate is running around 12% in the San Fran Bay area then its easy to see why the tax revenue has fallen.

I am not an American but these days I feel more of a patriot than most American's i listen to.

A strong America more than projecting power, projects ideals and values that hold back the dark tides that threaten our freedom in a very real way.

I remember watching the Pearl Harbor movie when the Japanese commander on the command ship after the attack said. "I am afraid that we have woken a sleeping giant".

Not sure if that line was true but you have to realize the circumstances of that statement. America was a massive industrial Engine at the time and focused on a goal it could achieve anything.

Those factories are all junk yards now. Vacant and powerless. The skills that the American worked had have all been taught to competing nations.

Some of those factories were closed so that the companies could improve profits for a few quarters.

Before world war one we knew the value of "Honest days work for an honest days pay".

There was no policies that closed the factories. The banks were not to blame for sending the jobs elsewhere and as the workers joined the ranks of the unemployed we continue to buy cheap stuff made somewhere else.

The reality is that the average household spends $12800 a year on consumer goods. 80% of these purchases are for overseas goods.

You might as well put $10240 and mail it off to China. Not sure what that figure looks like nationally but its a lot.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Yes, I'm afraid you are both right

And it began 12 years ago, when congress repealed glass-stegall act and also 'liberalized' trade with china then as well.

The glass-stegall act had to be repealed so that banks could play financial games, whilst the 'real' economy was hollowed out.

This was the point all along, the illusion of prosperity, while average folks wages were cut. This ponzi scheme could only last for so long, which the bankers knew, and prepaired for.

This isn't conspiracy stuff, it's written all across their internal memoes where they point out the certainty that their bonds would implode. They also worried that driving down wages too fast would wake the populace up.

But, now, 12 years later, they talk openly about how Americans have to accept lower wages to be 'globally' competitive. This was not how it was sold. Americans back then were told trade would lift our wages.

But bankers and multinational corps. have had 12 years to get americans used to the Idea of lower wages & also no benefit's.

The one thing they didn't count on was China playing along, until the red dragon could capitalize on a hollowed out America. The bankers and multi-corps didn't figure chinas leaders were just as greedy at heart as them , that they wouldn't always share the pie, that was illgotten from american people, through lies and Illusion.

[-] 2 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 2 years ago

An important set of concepts, thanks for posting!

[-] 1 points by laguy (110) 2 years ago

Very timely post. There are two countries in the world that has more population than the US of A. Both actually have 4 times the population of the US, both are rising nations, both are nuclear powers and both have old civilizations. World's geopolitics strategists can see some symptoms of the coming future, but I do not believe most even want to see what the future will look like, because most are still living in their own past delusion of grandeur and supremacy. I have developed clear cut theories about this and have come up with solutions based on these theories. I am happy to say that the solutions do look like what is proposed in this post, but there is more to it, mainly the point that to counter the size of these large nations and to ward off their divide and rule policies, nations will need to form regional unions. If you want to find out details, please come to:

www.themultitude.org/

OWS movement provides an opening for the people of the US to take matters in their own hands and make a course correction, we do not have much time, may be a 3-5 years window, after that all will be lost. Then we will have to deal with aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines from these two mega nations roaming about worlds oceans and parking near our coastlines, and that goes for all remaining nations on the planet, not just the US.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

I am actually Canadian and not American but I realize how much better my life is as a result of the values that America guards for the rest of us.

My sense is that 3-5 years is outside the window ...it will be too late.

The change needs to happen now.

I was shocked to learn recently that India had co-developed with Russia super sonic missiles capable of maneuvering at those speeds. This technology was then added to the Russian missiles and others specifically to defeat anti-missile systems employed by America.

Its even more worrying when you realize that the latest Intel chips are also being designed in India.

You can Google any of this its on Blogs everywhere. I have seen an entire city in China build in less than 5 years. They have an amazing industrial machine and now they have the technology.

I totally agree with the regional unions idea as well.

[-] 1 points by laguy (110) 2 years ago

It is great that you agree on regional unions. A change right now would be better than a change in the future, but how do we make this change? How can we wake people up in the whole world (minus the two mega nations)? I would say Japan, because of its troubled history with China before WW II, which seems to me was an attempt to change the situation on the ground in case of both China and India, an attempt that was nixed by the Allied powers with little foresight, is the only country and people that are alert. They are moving investment away from China and India into ASEAN countries. The "West" at this moment is oblivious to this threat. People are blaming the 1%, but they do not see who are behind these one percent, the hungry and ambitious masses of these mega nations, using them to get what they want. Russians were a false threat, so are the yahoo extremist Muslims both of whom were used by the 1% to keep people scared, but none see the smiling killers that are rising as we speak.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

Japan is a key to America in the region. There is always a complex relationship between Asian countries that is often hard for Westerners to read. I have often marveled that in-spite of Japans treatment of China in the past the Chinese suffer this historical record far better than they did of the other countries that occupied her prior to the revolution. I have had a sense that this current attitude of well controlled foreign investment with China playing to win rather than partner on individual deals was born out of the disdain of that colonial period. China has a long memory. I respect the people for having the most single mindedness of any people in achieving their goals. The problem is that there goal of building themselves is executed through tearing us down.

I don't think that Russia is a false threat. I do think that the 1% were lulled into a false belief that the cold war ended. It never did. We may change dance partners, the songs may change from fast to slow and back again. But we are all still at the same party.

[-] 1 points by Lockean (671) from New York, NY 2 years ago
[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

China will not join in those talks. They already have easy access into every market in the world. Japan realizes that the world is polarizing and they need to join regardless of farmer opposition at home.

The President will have no success with regards to pressuring the Chinese to change the exchange rate to change the trade imbalance.

We all know what the talks with Russia are about so enough said on that. Russia will not give any ground but the attempt needed to be made. Russia position is rock solid on the issue.

[-] 1 points by Lockean (671) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Do you think further free trade agreements with Asia are a good thing at this point?

[-] 2 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

No I don't think that further deals with Asia in general are a good idea and unless Japan plays fair then I wouldn't do a deal with them either.

[-] 1 points by Lockean (671) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Agreed. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by JohnsonJaimes (260) from Sanibel, FL 2 years ago

China has "company stores", living quarters at the city-sized factories, no worker rights let alone human rights, and we're in a race to the bottom.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

It doesn't have to be a race to the bottom. Often the decision to move the jobs in the first place was a few percentage points gained per item. There still are some manufacturing jobs in the USA and these products compete with Globally made products.

The funny thing is that the rich in China will pay the huge premium to buy foreign made goods because they perceive the value as better quality.

Americans need to make the same choice. Pay a little extra for a better quality American made item.

We have made recycling part of our culture in the past few years. We don't have any association with the new thing that gets made from our recycled waste but we feel good about our effort.

We should feel the same way about recycling money by purchasing American made goods.

[-] 1 points by JohnsonJaimes (260) from Sanibel, FL 2 years ago

I feel the same. We need to vote with our dollars, while they're still worth something. I'm from Michigan originally. I can remember when if you drove a Japanese car you had to park in the back of some parking lots. I have bought nothing but Chevys, and seek out US products when possible, price be damned. Working class people shouldn't bitch about our weak economy then get into their Kia, Hyundai, Honda, etc. The falsehood of our cars and products being inferior sickens me. Some of these folks dare to call themselves Patriotic.

[-] 1 points by shill (60) 2 years ago

Christmas is coming....wouldn't it be great if every 99% bought only American made presents? But I KNOW that won'tt happen.

Since there are so many of us ((99%) why couldn't alot of us start our own business. They keep saying it's the small business that creat new jobs.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

You are right this is the right time for this message to make the biggest impact. The news media is always trying to come up with a new angle at Christmas so we could get the message out there. Even hand out flyers at malls.

[-] 1 points by shill (60) 2 years ago

Ok we know the problem now how do we fix it? We really do need to stop talking & start doing. How can we boycart goods made in China since EVERYTHING is made in China. Soon we'll be the slave labor. Maybe we should boycart companies that buy sttuff from Chinia like Walmart?

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Here is how you fix it. It'll be hard, yes.

1) try as best you can to only buy products from free nations (USA, Canada,Europe,Japan)

2) raise awareness with friends, relitives, and use facts and figuers. Truth is our most powerful ally.

3) vote in EVERY election you can, and get others to as well.

4) in primaries, vote out ANY free trade incumbant, and those that helped repeal glass-stegall as well.

5) promote pro labor, pro worker initiatives.

6) work with like minded people wheather they are liberal or conservative to achieve 1-5

7) pray to God that we can turn this around for the next generation.

[-] 1 points by koloneci (72) 2 years ago

My basic philosophy on how to restore America's wealth, is to "make your neighbor rich." It's sounds simplistic. First, I would try to buy local, then buy statewide, then by national. Then, you have the right idea, buy from the free nations.

Something the individual as an educated consumer can do to restore America.

[-] 1 points by prosemitic (63) 2 years ago

This post claims China and the baddies wants to take over Usa- yeah, this may be it. But thay will have to take it away from Israel first, see..Usa is already Israel. Americans are going to wake up in one go and the parasites will have to scurry. I think they will give Usa to China and take it back from China alll over again...anyone's guess- it dont matter - usa will still be ruled

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

I bet you would be hard pressed to find anything that you or your friends own that was made in Israel. The problem is "we need more jobs for Americans"

My simple message is one thing.

  • Jobs put money in pockets.
  • How you spend it is up to you.
  • But remember when you do spend it will go somewhere.

All I am doing is trying to get you to put it in another American pocket.

Criticizing America's allies such doesn't solve the problem.

[-] 1 points by prosemitic (63) 2 years ago

allies that pulls the strings must be termed rulers. accept it already the spade is the spade

[-] 1 points by shill (60) 2 years ago

OK How do we fix this?? We really need to stop talking & start doing. How can we boycart goods made in China since they make EVERYTHING??

[-] 1 points by prosemitic (63) 2 years ago

ipad2..label it made in china. alright with you?

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

Until we can get country of origin labels tightened so that we can make the Right choice.

Do the following and encourage others.

-Buy American even if its a couple dollars more. This is the most important message.

-Organize peaceful demonstrations outside prominent retailers. To encourage them promote a American made alternative for every product they carry. Retailers have a lot of options on in store placement and promotion so vote with your dollars and protest if they are not visibly supporting America.

-Spread the word. If this movement only did one thing. Keeping American dollars in America then we would solve our current crisis.

This grass roots movement can make a change one person at a time and one dollar at a time.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Holy crap

[-] 1 points by JohnsonJaimes (260) from Sanibel, FL 2 years ago

You are soooo right. I often wish Nixon would've never opened Pandora's Box, and left that sleeping giant snooze away in a subsistent economy. How about Perry not knowing they had Nuc's already?! Talk about the dumbing down of America! People need to be patriotic and buy American.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Must....

............go.........

Get.............

.......................OIL.

[-] 2 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

Oil is just one of the resources but the damage economically is when 1 million people save $0.50 on a hammer made in China. That cost is American jobs. Problem is that there are no labels and no guilt. Today's economic problems are like trying to like trying to prove that smoking causes cancer. It will be too late when we realize and the damage is systemic and irreversable

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 2 years ago

We could retake the victory, by not playing anymore. Secure the border and focus on domestic production.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

I agree that we need to take the victory by not playing anymore but closing the border is not the approach that I would suggest. America needs allies. We just need to restrict free trade deals to Allies that play by the same rules as we do. If America and all her allies stop bleeding money to China then we would have a very fast recovery.

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 2 years ago

Mexico is not going to be our enemy by securing our border. They need us more than anyone. The drain illegal immigration puts on this country is exponential.

We need to impose more tariffs. We need to stop China from manipulating the market with their currency.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

I..I..I can't believe I'm gonna say this.. I completely agree with you... and I've been saying this for some time.

We need to end trade with Communist China, and stiff tariffs are a good start.

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 2 years ago

We need to hit them where it hurts. Also, hold them accountable for hacking into our computer systems

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Absolutely, and I cannot believe that our gov't did NOTHING while the red army practiced taking down an american power station through the internet last year. It's mind blowing how our political and financial leaders suck up to china, then does nothing when china kicks us in the gut.

They even had the 'incident' in our local paper here, but nothing from washington. Not to mention all the cyber attacks sponsored by the red army as well on vital defense facilities. Amazing.

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 2 years ago

It really is scary how we can no longer put any faith into them.

[-] 1 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Oh yes, and the corruption runs deep.

My state Ohio is a perfect example.

Our governor Kasich started as a congress man, then he went into lobbying, because he was politically connected. He used that position to create ties within state politics.

He then used those connections, and wash. ones to go to Leahman brothers. Once there he once again dipped from the political well, and was able to get ahold of the ohio public pension system, to manage it at leahman.

When he first got ahold of it, it had a vast surpluse, and he quickly put parts of it in 'safe' investments like mortgage bonds. Except these bonds that he claimed were Aaa, were in fact junk status rated as Aaa. Which happens to be fraud, which is a crime.

Fast forward, public pensions become underfunded, leahman collapses, and Kasich walks away with MILLIONS. Now if all this wasn't already, here's the real kick in the nuts. He ran on a platform for governor as being a successful business man, and that Ohio needed to be ran like business he ran in the past.

Fast forward again, he lies, says ohio teachers, cops, firefighters won't work with him (they actually did) and tried to strip them of ALL labor rights. His legislation passes, but then something curious happened...

All this other info gets out, we just repealed his law, and now petitions are going out to amend Ohio consitution, to be able to specificly impeach him... Kasick went too far got too greedy, and got burnt, hope he ends up in jail myself, but would be happy with just his recall.

So, there is hope.

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 2 years ago

Sounds like corruption all around. Hey, at least you aren't in the mess Wisconsin is.

[-] 1 points by OneMansOpinion (76) 2 years ago

100% Agreed!

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 2 years ago

I hope our next President comes close to getting that.