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Forum Post: The Survival Of The Shiftless

Posted 1 year ago on April 26, 2012, 12:04 a.m. EST by GypsyKing (9727)
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There have been in human history essentially two kinds of societies - those based upon idealism - and those based upon raw power.

This is of course to some degree an oversimplification, because idealistic systems also opperate in the real world and that neccessitates their weilding of power, but in general society has been based upon one of these forms or the other.

Kingdoms and tyrannys are the primary examples of sysytems based on power, and these are also probably the oldest human models for society. They are, in a sense, direct outgrowths of the primary model of existance on earth itself which is survival of the fittest. They came into being, not out of any preconcieved plan, but simply out of the nature of life itself and the fundamental elements of what it means to be human. They weren't concieved, they simply were; and perhaps these systems even worked well enough is small societies (in spite of the inevitable violence and power struggles inherent to them) because in small groups people know and are known by their rulers, a fact both moderating a rulers tyranny, and enabling a community to place effective limits on a rulers excesses.

The larger the society becomes, however, the less desirable this system of direct control becomes. As kings or tyrants become more and more removed from those they rule over, so their ability to see them as individuals receeds, and so grows their willingness to ingnore or sacrifice their subjects to their own excesses and wims.

Thus as society has grown and the complexity of society increased, people have sought new systems to make human life endurable, and at times even enjoyable for individual citizens.

Examples of such recent ideological societies are democracy, theocracy and socialism. All of these systems arose out of a desire for self-rule, and for a rule with some higher goal than simply the survival of the fittest; the arbitrary nature of tyranny. The underpinnings of such new societies are ethical in nature, and seek a means for man to exist with dignity and a degree of self-determination within the inherent confines of mass society.

We may argue the various merits and liabilities of all of these systems, but in a general way, the advantage of the first two systems is that they keep humanity tied (or chained) to the natural order. The rulers that arise are generally, for better or worse, strong; and therefore enfuse society with their vitality, charisma and strength and that is why for better or worse they stood the test of time. And yet humans aren't animals.

Because we aren't animals we have striven for something more than the law of the hyeana pack in relation to our conduct with one another, and for the means of creating systems that function efficiently enough to free us from want, to distribute goods with some degree of justice, and to live lives of spiritual meaning. Thus we have created these new kinds of states out of the impulse to better ourselves, and the lives those around us.

Yet there is another kind of society that arises from time to time, and has never long endured, and that is plutocracy. It has never long endured because it falls into neither of these catagories of effective human systems. It arises neither out of a genuine struggle for survival, nor out of idealogical aspiration, and of all these systems it is the weakest as a result.

Plutocracys in the past have always rapidly given way to tryranies, for the simple reason that the accumulation of wealth does not make one strong but rather weak, and therefore produces weak leadership - leaders who arise neither through a test of strength, nor through the temperance of nobler human aspirations. Plutocracy fails in both of these essential ways.

Therefore, it stands to reason that we must not allow our democracy to devolve into a system of plutocracy, regardless of what our feelings are about the accumulation of wealth mat be - not simply out of the higher calling of idealism, but from the sheer call of expidiency. A plutocracy is weak, and to allow it to become our system by default is (as had proven to be true in the past) simply opening the door to tyranny.

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[-] 6 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

The Cycle of Six Forms of Government

6 Now, it is undoubtedly the case that most of those who profess to give us authoritative instruction on this subject distinguish three constitutions, which they designate kingship, aristocracy, democracy. But in my opinion the question might fairly be put to them, whether they name these as being the only ones, or as the best. In either case I think they are wrong. For it is plain that we must regard as the best constitution that which partakes of all these three elements. And this is no mere assertion, but has been proved by the example of Lycurgus, who was the first to construct a constitution—that of Sparta—on this principle. Nor can we admit that these are the only forms: for we have had before now examples of absolute and tyrannical forms of government, which, while differing as widely as possible from kingship, yet appear to have some points of resemblance to it; on which account all absolute rulers falsely assume and use, as far as they can, the title of king. Again there have been many instances of oligarchical governments having in appearance some analogy to aristocracies, which are, if I may say so, as different from them as it is possible to be. The same also holds good about democracy.

7 I will illustrate the truth of what I say. We cannot hold every absolute government to be a kingship, but only that which is accepted voluntarily, and is directed by an appeal to reason rather than to fear and force. Nor again is every oligarchy to be regarded as an aristocracy; the latter exists only where the power is wielded by the most just and the wisest men selected on their merits. Similarly, it is not enough to constitute a democracy that the whole crowd of citizens should have the right to do whatever they wish or propose. But where reverence to the gods, succor of parents, respect to elders, obedience to laws, are traditional and habitual, in such communities, if the will of the majority prevail, we may speak of the form of government as a democracy.

8 So then we enumerate six forms of government—the three commonly spoken of which I have just mentioned, and three more allied forms, I mean despotism, oligarchy and mob-rule. The first of these arises without artificial aid and in the natural order of events. Next to this, and produced from it by the aid of art and adjustment, comes kingship; which degenerating into the evil form allied to it, by which I mean tyranny, both are once more destroyed and aristocracy produced. Again the latter being in the course of nature perverted to oligarchy, and the people passionately avenging the unjust acts of their rulers, democracy comes into existence; which again by its violence and contempt of law becomes sheer mob-rule. http://www.humanistictexts.org/polybius.htm#The Cycle of Six Forms of Government

Polybius was plagiarized by Montesquieu.

[-] 5 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

This is very good. But I think my point essentially stands regarding tyranny, in all it's forms, vs. governments derived out of higher ideals. I also still believe that plutocracy is an inherently weak form of government, that rapidly degenerates into tryanny.

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (21783) 1 year ago

Your point most definitely stands. I brought it here because as I was reading your post reminded me of this. He was born around 200 BCE. I think that had he lived in this era then he would agree with you.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Thanks. Yes, I wish I had the work in question. I've never read this.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 1 year ago

The reality is that there are only two seats of power within any communal (and they are ALL communal) gathering of our species, the militaristic and the spiritual... these are not human constructs, they are evolutionary dictates... both become all too obvious when we study tribal society whether it be the Native American, the African, or even the Celts... there is a natural separation of powers; power shifts between these two as circumstances arise... but the reality is that there is only one form of government, or central authority, that is evolutionarily possible and that is totalitarian; all others derive from here. The American form of Constitutional Republic is an absolute anomaly; it cannot exist, and yet it does, for one primary reason; be that as it may...

Your piece is well written and I think you're on the path. Although, I think your use of the word "ideology" is too broad in application; there is more.

Also, I think... Montesquieu was a Baron; his defense of the nobility was entirely theoretical and his opinion of aristocracy far greater than any the American, then or now, would be willing to admit of... because the line between aristocracy and monarchy, for the majority populace, tends to blur... your disdain of plutocracy is itself an attack on aristocracy... and so, I say, Welcome to America!

Monti's Master, Louis the 14th, was one of my ump-teenth great grandfathers but I am a child of America.

[-] 1 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

"The American form of Constitutional Republic is an absolute anomaly; it cannot exist, and yet it does, for one primary reason; be that as it may..."

What is this one primary reason?

[-] -1 points by betuadollar (-313) 1 year ago

It can be reduced to one single clause or verse in the Bible (and no, I'm not a religion-ist but an unbiased historian)... it is this: "that shalt have none other Gods before me." This one single verse empowered the masses to say no to the King's corruption; to say that the rich shall meet the poor on Judgement Day, and all shall be judged equally, and for that reason they cannot abide by such moral corruption and inequity (yea, people really believed this). Throw that into a necessarily pluralistic pot, which existed even in the English-American village as people arrived from many parts of England and the British Isles, not to mention the people and settlements of other nationalities, strip away religion as we gradually secularize, and what we are left with is the structure of an American government. The concept of an American Constitutional Republic could not have been born by any other means, or by any other religious sect, or by any other nonreligious people; it would not exist, for example, if this country had been initially settled by Roman Catholics or Anglicans, and on and on, etc. We are an experimental ANOMALY; we cannot exist and yet we do... but we will NOT exist indefinitely; we have "totalitarian" in our future.

[-] 1 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

I think your history is off.

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[-] 1 points by ancientmariner (275) 1 year ago

Great summation, thank you.

[-] -3 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

I think you fool yourself when you write we are not animals. We are animals & the worst kind of animal, an animal which thinks it is not an animal, an animal in complete denial & delusion when it comes to it's own importance. We are animals. Get use to the fact.

[-] 5 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

We do have animal instincts, but we also have what animals don't have, and that is the ability to rationalise our actions, and put forward a reasonable explanation of our motives, in the effort to garner support for our cause.

Your fixatedness about our animal nature probably stems from your weekly visits to the local meat market, where you attempt to rutt yourself into the next century via offspring.

Many humans have evolved way past your current step on the ladder.

Try and catch up sometime. Or, not.

[-] 0 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

You have not observed "animals" fully if you think they rely only on instinct. This is a great fallacy that humans tell themselves to make themselves feel good about killing & eating animals. It makes us feel more important & entitled, so we can romp about the earth destroying everything for greed. It is massive delusionalism on a species scale. If anything the human species is a greatly evil animal. History proves this FACT all to well.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I've observed plenty of animals fully. From crocodiles and feral cattle, right down to tiny little birds and even insect life. I kill what I want to eat, and don't pay someone to do that for me.

I have seen more animal behaviour exhibited at nite clubs and bars than I have in the bush.

Humans are not innately evil, but history only goes to prove that we sometimes are dumb enough to allow the same mistakes to be made generation after generation. The fact that the clever amongst us sometimes succumb to greed does not indicate that we are all that way biased.

Greed is behind most of this evil. The lust for money, which is, after all, printed paper or plastic, or minted alloys.

Try eating any of it. No nutrition value at all .

[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Really great reply. I agree with what you say here completely. Yes, we are animals, but we are also more. We seem to inhabit some space in the spectrum of existance that is unique to ourselves, and unique in the known universe; a fairly mind-blowing situation when you think about it.

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

it's so amazing that those with minds are the same ones thinking about it

[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Yes, amazing.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

What used to be considered "type A" personalities are dominating society, politics, and even religion these days. Narcissism is basically what makes a type A that type. Western culture actually rewards that type of behaviour with promotions at work, and monetary rewards.

This, to my mind, is what we need to look more closely at changing.

The "type A" persona mimics the pecking order in the animal world, meaning the biggest, loudest, nastiest, toughest animal gets all the girls/money/food/whatever is going.

The thinker/rational/type B persona gets to do all the work. This is why most people that think, recognise this animal nature side of things in humans, because that is where we are basically at right about now.

This is what I would like to see changing, if we are to overcome this greed/want/lie/cheat cycle we are in right about now.

Like the terrible two's mentioned here-abouts, the greedy simply rant and rave and threaten and cajole until they get what they want, while the rest of us settle for getting what we need.

Breaking this cycle needs to be higher on the agenda of both the people in general, and the governments that are supposed to be there for the benefit of the people.

While the greedy two-year-olds who never got to grow up are allowed to make decisions that affect us all, we can never progress and evolve as humans being. We will always be humans doing the bidding of these immature greedy shitheads who simply need to be put in their place, and given a message that the rules are changed, and they aren't writing the rules any more. (rant over) LOL

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Great rant! I love it! God it's a breath of fresh air to hear the clear, unvarnished truth!

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Thanks GK. I touched on child psychology when I was doing my dip/edu.

Narcissism/greed is pretty much at the root of all of our problems today.

[-] 4 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Agreed absolutely!

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 1 year ago

It reminds me of what a great spiritual master once said to me:

Before the War, Germany was the most advanced nation on earth. It produced the greatest scientists, philosophers, was on par with Paris in the arts, had great poets and scholars and engineers. They were so great that they forgot that all people have an animal nature as well as a spiritual one. By denying they had that, they wound up committing the foulest, most vile things in the history of humanity. Never forget that we are both Spirit and Animal. If you do, you will become completely animalistic.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I would argue

non-animal rationalizations played a role in what humans instinctively find repulsive

murdering their own kind

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 1 year ago

I think that's saying pretty much the same thing. The higher mind rationalizes our animalistic behavior if it refuses to acknowledge its real nature.

Yes, we are spirit and consciousness but we are also incarnate (from the root, carne, or meat) and our shit still stinks.

(Animalistic has a slightly different meaning in spiritualism than it does in common usage. It doesn't mean like a kitty cat, etc. It means base desires, like greed, inchoate rage, unreasoned fear, and lust for power.)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

humans animals are nice to each other

.

else

civilization would not exist

the human race would not have prospered

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 1 year ago

Humans are often beasts to each other. Else, we would not have wars, genocide, slavery, imposed poverty, greedy misallocation of resources, etc.

The point is we are both. We are kind and cruel, loving and hateful, generous and stingy, altruistic and selfish. We have a dual nature. And if we forget about that, if we think that we are nothing but oh so wonderful, when we stop looking at ourselves honestly, warts and all, we wind up committing atrocities against each other.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

beast are nice to there own kind as the rule not the exception

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 1 year ago

I won't belabor the point, as you are doing. Instead of getting caught up in the details (I have details that would counter yours, but I won't engage) why don't you just take the lesson in? It is a very simple one.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

ga doink

ga doink

ga doink

intellectualism(spiritualism) > the physically reality that we all share

I call for separations from the physical universe

we are greater than the dirt that created us

[-] 3 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 1 year ago

If we don't acknowledge that we all, each and every one of us, contain the potential and motivation to act constructively AND destructively, we will wind up being destructive. If we are not always honest about the fact that we have egos, we will act from those egos. It is only by acknowledging and facing our darker side that we can be free of it.

[-] 0 points by riethc (1149) 1 year ago

It sounds like you are talking about the Yahoos from Gulliver's Travels.

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[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Profound.

[-] 1 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

Humans have to be taught to be good or else the "terrible twos" will last forever. The terrible twos is when children at the age of two think everything is for theirs, egocentrically. Virtue is taught by the elders. It is not innate. Have you read, "Lord of the Flies"? That is what children & republicans have in common, the "terrible two's". Without the teaching (key word teaching) of Ethics in Religion, Philosophy, & Art, virtue will cease to exist. This is because humans are animals that can be taught ethics (improving their nature) the same way a dog can be taught to raise it's paw.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Funny you mention Lord of the Flies. Read it in February. Pigsy and the original leader didn't bow to peer pressure. Interesting analogy. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Very good, Lord of the Flies is a great novel. Thanks for reminding me, I'll have to add it to my post on lierature.

[-] -1 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

Just ignore my direct questions & the things I write that make you feel uncomfortable. That behavior is just like a republican, the very attitude that we are trying to change. How typical.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Just try to control my reaction with a see-through ego rush. How typical.

[-] -1 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

I still suggest you examine yourself to see if any of the previously posted words ring true. Everyday you seem more puffed up than the day before. I suggest you reread the posts on this topic to see how you are starting to turn into that in which you seek to change. My humble advice.

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[-] 3 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

You espouse opinion and cover up the fact that it is nothing but opinion by stating it is a fact one should get used to - you know, you are quite clever for a human that thinks it is an animal. Get used to that opinion. Also, my cat sends its regards.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20509) 1 year ago

Nice to see you back, JadedCitizen.

[-] 3 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

Yeah, figured my winter break was over. sigh. time to put up with the animals again. Not you, the other ones. Ah, you know what I mean.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

{;-])

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

ahHaHAHAHAhahaheheHEEheheheee

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

There are other letters on your keyboard, you do know that, don't you?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

{:-O sorry....but....they were not as appropriate at the time and stubbornly refused to cooperate.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

Shifting blame to inanimate objects. Well, that should prove we are above the animals.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thank you - I - am - evolved. Hhmm never thought of it quite like that before.....novel....another benefit of advanced technology. {:-/

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

Well, the word tool does have more than one meaning. If you catch my drift.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ow..and they can easily be mistaken for being inanimate. I mean I thought one of the Guy's was talking to a rock the other night only to find out that he had stepped in it . . . raised quite the stench.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

LOL! Talking to rocks - slightly awkward, stepping in them - priceless!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Shows ta go ya - appearances can be deceiving.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Ha, ha, ha, ha . . . !

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

purr...

[-] -1 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

Looks like you don't like being an animal, a rude animal in denial & delusion at that. You protest so much a nerve must have been hit. You can not deny a Scientific FACT with YOUR opinion. Welcome to World of Animals.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

Meow.

[-] 1 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

That's right humans are mammals which are a type of animal. Meow.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

Well done. I can't argue that fact. It's the opinion that we are the worst kind of animals which I still take issue with.

[-] 2 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

Thank you. I don't want to beat a dead horse... but have you seen, read about, or heard of the torturing devices that humans have created, imagined, & used on each other in the past. It blows my mind how humans can be so evil. King Henry alone makes me believe humans are the evilest animal. I could write much more on this subject but it would take too long. In short the world wars, the genocide, the torture, & the experiments on all animals & the earth makes me believe that humans are the evilest animal on the planet. Humans' history is evil. I do believe we have potential to be good, but with 9 billion people on the planet, it is going to take a lot of love & good teaching to turn the tide for good.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

That is very well said and I completely understand where you are coming from now. Peace.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 1 year ago

Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor. ~ Thomas Jefferson ~

[-] 2 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

Well recalled. Thank you.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I'd like to suggest to you that humans are living beings, like animals, and plants, but that humans are as different from animals as animals are from plants. That is, human beings are not just a different species of animal, but actually a different "kingdom" of life:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_%28biology%29

For example, you could say that animals have an infinite degree of freedom greater than plants. In that animals can travel by their own choice and movement in an indefinite number of different directions.

Similarly, humans have an infinite degree of freedom greater than animals since we can move in an indefinite number of different dimensions unavailable to animals.

That is, we can travel underwater, underground, in the air, and in outer space. But more importantly, we can extend our influence into unseen dimensions, such as the electromagnetic radiation that we use for TV and radio, or x-rays, etc., things that no animal has ever done.

[-] 0 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

Humans are mammals & mammals are a type of animal. It is fact. I think you fool yourself with diluted logic for selfish reasons. No surprise, the human species (especially religion) has been using this diluted logic for thousands of years to make themselves feel better about being an animal and to feel better about their own death. Face facts, humans are animals! We are Badly behaved delusional mammals full of self importance & pride as your post clearly shows.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

If you study the recent history of this idea, that humans are animals, that is the works of Charles Darwin, et. al., you would find that he was supported mostly by the British empire, which had a reason to convince the public that man is an animal.

Their reason for this was that they wanted the right to treat man as an animal, that is, to work him as an animal or to slaughter him as an animal if need be.

The British empire at one point made most of its money off the slave trade, so it was very important for them to publicize this idea that man is an animal. They also committed genocide on a massive scale, and justified it based on Darwinian principles.

So the impulse to see man as different from animals is primarily for the purpose of defending man from people who would treat him as an animal. This is not to say that animals shouldn't be treated better also.

Humans are mammals, this is true. They share most of their biological characteristics with mammals. Animals share certain characteristics with plants also, but this doesn't mean that animals are plants.

Humans have characteristics that no animal has, and for this reason I think of man as belonging to a different kingdom than animals.

[-] 0 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

Well, I don't agree with what you write. Most of the educated world agrees that humans are animals. There is nothing wrong with being an animal. Your logic is diluted allowing for circular reasoning which can make anything true. However, I respect your opinion & efforts. I think we exhausted this argument & must agree to disagree. Afterall, we obviously agree on a lot if we both support this movement. Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5689) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

You are correct, although most 'humans' would never admit it.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Speak for yourself.

[-] 0 points by Yin7 (44) 1 year ago

Wow, you are seriously in denial. I suggest you check up on your FACTS. Humans are Animals. It is incontrovertible. Your wish or opinion can not change the fact that humans are animals. Out of curiosity (a cat trait) what makes you think humans are not animals?

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5689) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

You'd be surprised at how many people think that way. They think we're separate from the rest of the animal kingdom. Makes one wonder where they were during biology class, doesn't it? The scale of disinformation in this world is maddening.

[+] -4 points by egia (-103) 1 year ago

Wherever You Are, GypsyKing,

As you admittedly do not live in the United States and perhaps never did, I have to tip my skullcap to you on this one: Of all the Demopublican suck-em back into the corporate-controlled false choice rigged elections with predetermined outcomes failed two-party system pollution you have pumped into this forum, few of your postings so clearly illustrate your lack of even middle-school level intellectual depth, historical knowledge, or even appreciation for spelling so much as this one.

[-] 4 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 1 year ago

Methinks this one is seeking attention.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

A lot of weird stuff has happened in my life, but I never thought I'd have a personal troll. LOL!

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You won't let this new fame change you - will you?

I mean you'll still remember us and your old neighborhood - Right?

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Maybe it's just today DKA, but I'm tired.

Thanks.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No problem I can relate.

You will still visit the old neighborhood though - I mean - Right?

{:-O sorry I had to -at least the one more time. We have so much more in common now. GF and I have both had "personalized trolls" so - la de da. Anyway the new troll stench can be overpowering - so keep a bottle of ammonia handy in case you need to revive ( like smelling salts ). {:-])

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

LOL! Yeah, you have to do your posting on the run - upwind!

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - another hidden cardio benefit.

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I hope you don't intend to keep it - impossible to train - leave droppings everywhere - they do however like to play in traffic - so generally speaking they are not around to long. They do have a tendency to reincarnate but sometimes their fixation will wonder by then.

[-] 3 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 1 year ago

Looks like yet another incarnation of this idiot who's been banned a number of times. He's like a bad penny: just keeps coming back to where no one wants him.

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Thank you.

[-] -2 points by egia (-103) 1 year ago

ForumSpeak: The True Meanings of "Spam", "Troll" and "Karma":

spam : Any forum posting that (a) conflicts with either the forum moderators' agenda or groupthink consensus; or (b) any other forum member disagrees with, doesn't like, fears or otherwise does not wish to see posted.

troll : Any forum member who posts "spam" as defined above.

karma : A numerical measure of forum groupthink contribution, conformity and compliance that says nothing about the virtues of the poster or the veracity of their postings.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26675) 1 year ago

Where do you fall in that pile of crap?

It's bordering on spam, doncha know. Spam of course, in the classical sense of mindless repetition, or an attempt at sales.

Karma? I'm thinking you have no idea, what it is.

[-] -1 points by egia (-103) 1 year ago

Clueless...

[-] 2 points by shooz (26675) 1 year ago

You've made it obvious you're clueless.

I was talking about your little list.

[-] -1 points by egia (-103) 1 year ago

How low shall I go with you? What's next? Dick size?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26675) 1 year ago

I take it you don't plan to be around here for too long?

I could probably hurry that along for you, and then you can come back under another moniker and bitch about it.....

It's what trolls do.

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[-] 2 points by Spade2 (478) 1 year ago

You fuckin' hypocrite.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Oh, my personal troll is back. Who threw carrion under the bridge?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

lol...sorry I was not sure I should laugh as it might have been a victim of the economic meltdown. How many people have died as a result of WallStreet greed and crime. Sorry dark moment.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

You're just saying what you think. Don't be sorry:)

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thanks - I believe in laughter as being very good medicine. But sometimes I am afraid of going to far. These are very dark days - but I do believe we are beginning to see true light beginning to dawn.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Yes, we are beginning to see that light.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hang on to that truth.