Forum Post: The South may well rise again in secession!
Posted 11 years ago on July 8, 2012, 12:38 p.m. EST by DKAtoday
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from Coon Rapids, MN
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But this time it may be sane people living in the south trying to secede from their state and local governments as well as corpoRAT abuse.
I presume you've had no responses from southerners because they all know it's true, it's getting more insane here by the minute. Not to be overly negative or anything but I truly wish the whole fucking south would fall off the planet. After I move, that is.. I was reading something the other day about the Republicans' "southern strategy." When you think about it's brilliant. Knowing the clanishness in the region, the undereducation and the religious close-mindedness, they had the perfect target population to indoctrinate.
You presume to assume
I guess I assumed you would know I was being facetious.
Hi Mary - thanks for stopping by and for not being offended.
In some ways I look at the north and the south the east and the west and see different test beds for control experiments. Experiments in general.
I keep waiting for others to wake up to this and say - HELL NO - Not Any More!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that is where Occupy comes in - to sound the warnings.
good case study find out what control experiments are being done by region and or states
Offended hah! Have a tirade, I'll be your biggest fan. We do have a pretty good little OWS group in the Nashville area, really all over Tennessee they're springing up. So there are pockets of sanity lol.
Cool glad to know that you are with some sane people.
So are you guys protesting the Tennessee Valley Authority? Trying to get rid of coal ash dumps?
You've probably seen me post this before but it might be useful if you are protesting fossil fuel pollution.
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I have not been down there in a long time but try to keep up with them through various means. They are very active and were all through the winter. Thanks for the links, I will have a look.
No prob please share them out if you find them to be interesting alternatives.
Have they run a cost analysis for a "liquid metal battery"? How large a battery would be needed to power LA for just one night? The only cost effective way to store huge amounts of wind and solar energy that is cost effective is by pumping water up into a hydroelectric dam during the day, then letting it run back down through a generator during the night.
I'm for green technology, but if it isn't cheap it's not really green. I've converted some vehicles to electric power and know how limited battery storage is and the high cost.
250 Lbs. of lithium batteries stores the same energy as just one gallon of gasoline which weighs 6 Lbs.
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Well, we can hope for session. Rising again? Not so likely. The slaves have guns now. And some have photo ID's. Then, there are the women. Are they willing to give up their vote, their jobs, along with contraception and abortion?
For me, I would lean toward "good riddance," although having nations on our southern border who are uneducated, or mis educated, with poor health, a hatred for science, and who are mostly religious fanatics, armed with more weapons than any sane person could want combined with easy access to all kinds of mind altering drugs, and in summary, who are less civilized than Mexican drug cartels, is a sobering prospect .
What? Wait! You say they are alweady inside our bordus? Wun, wun for your wives!!!! Those wascals will awive any minute!!!!!
I know this is a slightly odd observation-
Did you notice that these most "patriotic" pro-American lemmings
are descended from the worst traitors America has ever known?
That led to the deaths of 620,000 Americans
AND THESE LOSERS CELEBRATE LOSING !!!
Well that is the frightening thing about the uneducated - those who never learned critical thinking - they are open to be fed any BS and then take it as truth.
whats even more interesting is that the edumacated are in cooperation with the elite of destroying our liberties, fulfillilng bible prophecy, in the last days, "their leaders wisdom shall flee them" and another interesting tidbit in the bible is that God chooses the weak things to confound the "wise and the prudent". When justice is weighed in, those that think because they read more books than their brother that they are some how better, and those who think because they have more money are some how better will end up at the bottom of the scales of justice.
There are many truths to be found in the Bible. As well as in the Torah, Koran, Buddhist writings etc etc etc - all inspired writings of fellowship.
Pharacies
Money changers
False prophets
Look for the truth for yourself do not a follower be.
They are too obese to cause any real threat!
Obesity is a major problem in the USA and around the world now as they also adopt fast food.
I was only making light of a heavy problem.
No doubt, they're dusting off their ammo as we speak. Absolutely.
South's gonna do it again. Hopefully this time they really do do it.
Each State needs to "fire" the Federal government by seceding. The Federal government continues to betray each State purposely and with malice. We are in danger! When a company or person persistently puts its fellow employees or does a bad job, they get "fired"! Spreading the power up between the individual States will be less dangerous. It is the 'collectivism' or 'centralization' of power to the elites that has become so dangerous. Each State knows their individual needs and can take care of their people far better than the federal government. No one group should have as much power as the federal government does, or perhaps it has gone beyond that point. Maybe we should be seceding from the UN, because it certainly sounds like the US is taking their marching orders from the UN these days.
State governments are just as fucked-up as the federal government. Or there would be no mountain top removal mining or fracking both of which are major environment polluters/poisoners. They would also on their own be charging Banks for illegal practices.
Nope the whole system is fucked-up and it is also the peoples fault for letting it happen unopposed.
I 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999,999,999% agree with you. Could I agree any more? Next time Georgia, ( a huge succubus of federal funds that taxes their people into poverty), wants to secede, I'll come down with a hacksaw and saw the f'n state right off the country.
Just removing/replacing their local government would probably be just fine.
They are suffering just like the rest of the country in that their government is working against the people and for corpoRAT abusers.
Here's the problem. Most of the people here would disagree with you. And when they do fall into sufferage, they'll blame the left. You can't deal with that magnitude of ignorance, no matter how hard you try.
That is the danger of an uneducated population being ruled by manipulators.
The answer lies in education. If they don't get education in school they need to get it from other sources. Let them see their chains - then show them how to cast them off.
Read below by 'infiltrator' NoMoreMarzism, and you realize some things simply cannot be done. When the ship is 9 tenths submerged, and the will to save it is in the infinite negative, you should let it sink. The South is indeed inbred. If you really,really know American history, they are responsible from inception to present for all the bad turns this country has taken. Cancer should be removed. The country is tipping on the abyss and they still can't agree with 1 thing you say and they never will. I repeat, and repeat with absolute axiomatic insurance, in which I would bet my last dime, they will, would, never change. Never.
I can not accept your analysis. Ignorance breeds intolerance. They need a massive intervention. The intervention must include their government schools police force etc etc etc - all of the social infrastructure. The intervention must include their MSM. The intervention must include their people of faith. The intervention must include cleaning up the abusive corpoRATions.
People are people - they just need a chance to grow - combat/remove the toxins from their lives - the psychological as well as physical toxins.
If most would not sign up for direct Democracy-Anarchy, secession might be a compromise they could agree with. Peeling at least one layer of government of our backs would be a welcome relief. In fact the world would be better off if no single nation was large enough to dominate any other nations. If people really want justice, nations should shrink so that rule by the people can grow.
In this case I was thinking more along the lines that the sane people of the Southern States would be uniting to reject their local governments/politicians. I was not suggesting that they would try to secede from the USA.
" Peeling at least one layer of government of our backs would be a welcome relief."
What you'll get is destruction of the safety net as it exists and privatized everything else from fire fighting to cops to foster care/child protection to "edumacation". And you'd be leaving millions of blacks, Latinos and Indians behind the lines of redneck nation (which might include Wisconsin, Illinois and other places beyond the confederacy) bereft of what little protection they get from the feds.
You suffer from the "Stockholm syndrome". The same government that is now kidnapping our rights you now defend?
It's complex. I want the fire department to function. I want public housing to be maintained. I want the programs that still do help the poor and defenseless to function. What sort of government do you imagine a Red State Confederacy would have? I bet one way or other there would be a strong police and military, maybe privatized but definitely there.
Fire departments are maintained at the county level where I live. Should we move their offices to Washington DC?
"I bet one way or other there would be a strong police and military, maybe privatized but definitely there."
Isn't that what we already have?
:ast time I checked county governments were governments. They ger varying amounts of aid for stuff like firefighters from the feds. Public Housing, which I mentioned because millions of people live in it and need it still gets money also from the federal government. In general red states are net takers of US gummint money while in general blue states are net givers to same.
And if you think repression is bad now imagine a police force of illiterate tea party evangelicals living hand to mouth with no medical coverage. Can You say "shakedown?"
We pay a high price for the handouts the government gives. Dependence instead of independence.
The federal government's grip on power grows ever tighter, as it continues to gain control of every aspect of our lives. See Obama's latest executive order here:
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-president-order-communications-770/
What you call handouts are what keep millions of people alive.
now thats an original thought
if a government is to big to fail then it's to big to be. why stop that philosophy at big banks and we still haven't broken them up yet
Again the liberals chime in to defame all Southern Whites as being inbred, toothless, uneducated and racist. When will the stain of ugly, racist, anti-white, liberalism be wiped from the Earth?
No, not all, but look at the post above. "South's gonna do it again. Hopefully this time they really do it." WTF do they mean when they say that. Are you looking to go back to slavery? Good grief.
Hey, I wuz jis gone call ya brain-dead Nazis, but it seems like yuh knows yuh salf good Bubba!
This post is just so stupid. You are a truly painful idiot.
Thanks for the bump numbnuts.
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You're welcome Jackass. You're Anarchist views are exactly what makes people hate OWS. Yourenpreachingnthe wrong message.
DKAtoday isn't an anarchist; I am and I take umbrage at your statement. If people hate OWS because of anarchism that's like hating the sun for being hot: a non sequitur. In case you haven't noticed, OWS is an anarchist movement which is why the home page clearly states a "leaderless" movement.
I'm not sure what your perception of anarchism is, but apparently it's wrong.
Good one, TitusM :)
Anarchist (or libertarian socialist if you will) principles of having the right to control your own workplace and community shouldn't be looked on as controversial, it's what any decent society should be based on, and is something everyone should embrace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYth0ktPsY&feature=plcp
We must make these ideas viral. Enlighten, learn, organize!
Thanks. I'm actually aligned toward anarcho-communism, or more acceptable to the faint-hearted, libertarian-communism. You may want to check this website: http://libcom.org/
Good to hear. I am also leaning toward the anarcho-syndicalist and anarcho-communist ideas (both of which are brances of libertarian socialism, as you probably know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism )
You've seen "Living Utopia" right? Really good documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPl_Y3Qdb7Y
Libcom is excellent. I've known about it for quite some time now, but thanks anyway :) Keep up the good work. Also, check out my Occupy Your Workplace video.
Solidarity!
Thanks.
Not all people who participate with Occupy are anarchists. Some of the biggest actions have been in coalition with non anarchist organizations such as unions and student governments and local Democratic pols. The idea that anarchism shuns leaders is not correct. Occupy shuns acknowledged leaders perhaps. Google "anarchist leaders" scads and scads of hits.
True on the first statement, like DKAtoday and, perhaps, you. That's one of the good things about OWS, everyone doesn't have to come out of the same mold. Most of us, however, have the same goals, just differ amicably (most of the times) on how to achieve them.
As to the leader or leaderless question, I don't care either way, since I won't follow.
Real leaders earn the respect and trust of others. I know that Occupy in fact has people who may not be called leaders but people who get respect, people who when they have an idea other people listen to not because they have to but because the "non leader" has demonstrated her worth and the value of her ideas is apparent to many other people.
Historically anarchism has had leaders.
I suppose if one considers Bakunin, Kropotkin, Godwin, Goldman, etc leaders, because they have followers, that is true, but the leadership is theoretical at best.
Here's an anarchist armed force that had officers (leaders):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurrectionary_Army_of_Ukraine
Another:
Portrait of an anarchist general
The Military career of Major General Miguel Garcia Vivancos
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/spain/general_vivancos.html
The Paris Commune had an armed force and a police, but they were purposely set up as democratic, workers' forces. Yes, they had officers, managers, even CEOs, etc, because those are necessary for the functioninng of society, but acting and responsible to the democratic whole.
When you said, leaders, I erroneously assumed that you meant political leaders.
"Yes, they had officers, managers, even CEOs, etc, because those are necessary for the functioninng of society, but acting and responsible to the democratic whole."
Exactly! Thanks
I keep trying to educate - but there are some who seem to have rocks for brains. Though that is being kinda harsh on rocks.
Those rocks are kind of hard, too.
I'm sorry - I kind of missed that one - it is early. I was commenting on clancy and those like clancy that have a tough time with understanding as they seem to have rocks for brains.
So I am not sure what you meant in your reply.
[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (9953) from Coon Rapids, MN 10 hours ago
I keep trying to educate - but there are some who seem to have rocks for brains. Though that is being kinda harsh on rocks.
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[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (1230) from Boulder City, NV 9 hours ago
Those rocks are kind of hard, too.
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Very little humor: hard-headed like our friend.
O - I - C - I think.
The rocks can handle it - being compared to the learning challenged.
DKA, I don't disagree with wanting to make people better. But, can't you see that by the responses you're getting, it is too tall an order. Anyway, on the whole, we don't really want to change anyone so much as we would like more people to identify with our values and principles. I say hold to them and seek out the like. I don't want you to waste your time and emotions trying to change the South. The South was always the South. As far as how we've progressed as a country, they have won the Civil War. It's up to more people to wake up to their stifling hypocrisy in most every area; government, religion, guns, jobs, capitalism, welfare, corruption, sexual orientation, fidelity, cronyism, etc.etc.etc. If more people don't wake up, (and real soon), this country will be the South, and as such, they will finally lose the war because this country is bleeding a lot from a tired band aid. In which case, I say let it go and think of yourself as a world citizen. Trust me. I live here. I've been through it.
I will never stop advocating for change/growth.
Change and growth in health and prosperity for all !
Health and prosperity for individuals and for societies.
What do you think the Civil War was? It was started by the South after an attempted "mass intervention" as you call it. I think you entirely misread what I wrote. Laws get changed everyday. Most people don't change throughout their whole lifetime.
When has information and the ability to communicate ever been so readily available?
My time in college was at the dawn of the microcomputer age. The Humanitarian version of the coming age was it could be used to accomplish amazingly good things; and even more amazingly bad things. Our technology has far surpassed our ability to use it wisely.
So, I like your idea but bear that in mind. Also, most of who anyone is formed during their formative years. What parent doesn't try to influence children to their way of thinking? Whatever happened, I can say I like your ideas and I hope you do have influence. I can stand by your efforts but you need others. What out for the angry; anger is really fear. If you think what you're doing is good, I just ask that you keep in mind their fear is dangerous.
Unreasoning fear is very dangerous and chaotic.
Form a story I once read: Fear is the mind killer - it is the little death.
What ideas would you have that you would bring to the table? Say you're down in the South now, and you're meeting with the local occupy group.
That would have to happen as it happens. I would advocate pretty much the same as I have here though. Communication education outreach and supporting common cause issues of benefit to all as well as opposing issues that are a threat to all.
For instance in Tennessee I would go after coal burning and ash fields by educating on what hazards are in coal burning and the toxic ash.
I think ( and I am gonna do this anyway ) that I would reach out to cancer groups charities organizations and have them get on board with supporting the end to fossil fuel.
I am also looking into doing the same for the food industry as to remove artificial dye's and sweeteners, stop feeding steroids, hormones and other things to our live stock. If no one has noticed cancer and other diseases are going nuts.
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Outreach can be as easy as an e-mail to an organization - education/awareness can hopefully spring from the contact and be shared outwards.
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