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Forum Post: The rich are too damn rich and money has too much power in government.

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 18, 2015, 8:30 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ
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It is a simple statement,

The rich are too damn rich and money has too much power in government.

The concept spur a huge movement that gain massive support across the entire nation, simple truths spoken very clearly can change the world.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes = The rich are too damn rich and money has too much power in government.

The wealthy have too much power in society PERIOD!

Which is why the wealthy's media - when they can't completely ignore Bernie Sanders in trying to make him a non-issue - attacks him with their standard lines of bullshit.

Huffpost calls out one example:

Why the Washington Post's Attack on Bernie Sanders Is Bunk

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Ignoring Bernie is really getting people to feel that the Democrat Party might be worth saving if only you get your old kook from the woods into the POTUS spot eh?

Ever occur that that psychological game might be part of the D/R overall plan to maintain control?

Let's be honest... If after witnessing everything you have over the course of your lifetime, and you endorsed it all yet again, they are clearly much smarter with the mind games.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Ever occur to you that letting the GOP win is stupid as shit?

Oh I forgot you love the GOP because they cut your taxes and it's your money you really care about.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

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This moment requires a grassroots movement of millions and millions of people. That’s what Bernie is talking about when he says we need a political revolution, and that’s what we are organizing through our campaign. And after we win the election, the movement we’re building will give us the power to take back our country from the billionaire class.

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Thanks for the links.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No prob - gotta share good stuff.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Better try not to support either as much as possible then, right?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So you would just let the 1% decide who wins?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I would not shop at huge national corporations and I would not support parties that take corporate money.

Seems fairly simple. And its obviously a very easy solution.

Its just getting the masses such as yourself on board that is the tough part. Humans tend to repeat the same mistakes over and over again, creatures of habit.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

like believing bullshit like yours in 2000? yep they do, I think this time may be different the people may rise up support Bernie and seize control of the Dems and kill the GOP in one move

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

You are still failing to understand that the very corrupt people of the Democrat Party, that party that is 100 years old, was put there not as a movement of the people, but as a movement of the power brokers.

Would you openly allow someone to move into your house just to destroy your life? Obviously not.

You really need to start supporting political movements and not political celebrities. Just because the masses are hording as usual does not mean you have to.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you refuse to even address how evil the GOP is, why? because you love the GOP and want them to win so you will get the tax cuts you care so much about......

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Problem being - the blind fool will never see a tax break from the rethuglicans that is beneficial to him - as he just ain't that wealthy - what he will continue to get from the rethuglicans - IS - the tax burden caused by the rethuglican tax breaks for the wealthy few.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Who was it that ended the payroll tax cut on me and all of my friends?

Im clearly not rich enough to worry about tax breaks for the rich. But you are clearly just too old at this point to understand what it is we are talking about, because it just doesnt effect you. Unless we stop working and your checks stop showing up.

This is not an endorsement of Republicans, they are half the problem. Its a statement to not waste your time with the other half either.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Why don't you go ahead and attach the "link" to the .gov legislation record you are talking about.

That way everyone can see what it is (exactly) and access the voting record (exactly).

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

It was part of the shameless "fiscal cliff" nonsense from a while back.

Stop being lazy and google it if you don't know. It's not my job to spoon feed you your political knowledge.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/01/168417033/cliff-deal-would-end-payroll-tax-holiday

Only hard for people to understand who don't get paychecks, wouldn't you think? Bunch of geniuses created the Global Financial Crisis and then got rich themselves while everyone else suffered.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

An entire system built around consolidated power, injustice and a total disdain for anything responsible.

Parade out a dozen losers every 4 years and watch the people fall in love all over.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

Have to change the ideas first, then action follows. OWS has been planting the seeds of the ideas for a while now, very successfully. Everyone knows what the 1% is today. It's even pretty mainstream knowledge that there are 85 people who have wealth equal to the bottom 1/2 of humanity. Stuff like that was just never discussed before, you know?

And, Turbo, I know you think Bernie is lacking in many ways, but hey, he's bringing it the most I've seen in my lifetime in a very mainstream kind of way. A guy, up there on the stage at the Democratic Debate saying we need a political revolution and to overthrow the oligarchs.

I'll take it for the time being....

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Bernie is an interesting character, I just look at where all the energy go if not for him this election, and we would probably be seeing a real movement.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22772) 2 years ago

:) Have faith. First, identify the problems. Then spread the fact that there are problems to others. Then, figure out how we can fix them. Then spread the ideas for the solutions. Then, action will come naturally and change will become inevitable. We have to be patient and continue working on these steps, but the changes are coming.

I bet you most Americans cannot even define the world "oligarch." But, that word is becoming more and more common. Once they get it, that they're being ruled by very rich people who have taken away their political power, they ain't gonna like it very much.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Why don't you go ahead and attach the "link" to the .gov legislation record you are talking about.

That way everyone can see what it is (exactly) and access the voting record (exactly).

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

My god you are one lazy mofo lol

here ya go: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h659

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

So - This - is what you are having a stroke about? :

Section101 - Makes permanent the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 for individual taxpayers whose taxable income is at or below a $400,000 threshold amount ($450,000 for married couples filing a joint return). Amends the Internal Revenue Code to: (1) revise income tax rates for individual taxpayers whose taxable income is at or below the $400,000 threshold amount ($450,000 for married couples filing a joint return) and increase the rate to 39.6% for taxpayers whose taxable income exceeds the threshold,

From: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h659

You are making in excess of that threshold?

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

The payroll tax cut, try to stay focused, I can help you through this if need be.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Show the section that you are having a problem with - I quoted from your link.

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[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I know you would prefer people just let the 1% decide, they won't raise your taxes at least that's what you think.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I want them to sign a pledge not one penny of tax cuts while there is still a penny of debt!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely = no tax breaks for anyone who make over 100,000 singly and a tax hike on the wealthy and obscenely wealthy including corp(se)oRATions that are obscenely wealthy and actually pay no taxes and even get subsidies - close loopholes and end off shore wealth/hoard havens.

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

If that is what you want, why on earth would you vote for Democrats or Republicans?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Further - no taxes on anyone making 25,000 singly. The poor pay more than enough in sales taxes.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

How about you let people decide if they want the government planning their retirement or not?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You bring up something new and unrelated to what I have said.

It would be great if the poor could plan a secure retirement on their own. A minimum "living" wage for all of the workers earning the least in this country would be a good step towards their ever being able to plan a real retirement on their own terms.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

The SS tax is a big one. You said no taxes on anyone under $25k. Unless you mean just making it an interest free loan to the gov every year in the form of a refund?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33164) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I guess that no one should be making 25,000 or less - Hey?

Going over 25,000 - then - I guess it could be a very small payroll deduction to go into SS - pre tax consideration - so that the amount contributed would not be considered as part of that low pay individuals gross income.

When the individual makes it to middle income - then their contribution to SS could increase - the better off they are the more it could increase.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8837) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

they have their simple pledge so I got one too and mine makes a lot of sense if you actually care about the debt, they can say "no new taxes" and we can say "no tax cuts while we have debt" and I have no problem with the pledge being across the board, I do support removing the cap on social security to make it solvent forever and removing special taxes treatment for dividends and cap gains, (an exception for sale of a home you lived in for two years as we have now)